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Re: One or two acs

Reply #25
Craneman, thank you, that explanation has wiped the sleep from my eyes, Chuck I'm sorry to say the Wikipedia only seemed to confuse me even more.
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Re: One or two acs

Reply #26
Chuck I'm sorry to say the Wikipedia only seemed to confuse me even more.
We have a conventional (air source) heat pump in our house.  Here's the way our air conditioner repair man explained it to me:

"A heat pump moves heat from one place to another.  It can move heat from inside a house to the outside, thereby cooling the house.  They work very well for cooling.  It can also move heat from outside a house to the inside, thereby heating it.  They don't work very well as heaters below 40 degrees F (outside temp)."

Our residential heat pump has auxiliary resistance heat coils that kick in to supplement the heat pump if it gets really cold outside (not often).
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Re: One or two acs

Reply #27
I have made room for the mini split condenser behind the grille after removing the dash ac.
The cool box may fit under the couch not sure tho

Re: One or two acs

Reply #28
The aqua hot puts out warm not dried air. 

STD furnace's have the fan come in first when signaled to prevent explosions if the unit had an internal gas leak.

So the temp drops.  Then the flame comes on.  Then when the set point is reached the the flame cuts off but the fan continues running to avoid overheating the heaters box.  So the temp goes up even more.

Roughly 5 degree swings.  Dried out air.  2 zones.  Limited tank heating.

Aqua hot,  3 zones plus engine in and out for a emergency heating source and to preheat the engine for severe winter use.

Separate twin heat exchangers with a separate thermostat for the tank bays and plumbing.

2 1/2 degree temp swings vs 5 degrees.

Propane is noisy.  Aquahot very quiet, 

The Agua hot units also have two front outlets for heat under the counter and sofa and a third in dash exchanger that I understand can be switched on and off and maybe can be adjusted to output it's heat from the various dash outputs?

The idea is that a Foretravel can be a true 4 season coach without mods if aqua hot equipped.  All coaches can be modded to work in winter with more work.

The aqua hot adds 55 degrees temp increase over the water tanks water temp. 

So the dual exchangers heat the tanks water enough to allow hot showers if you run from the tank versus external water.

Aqua hot will allow continuous 1.5 gpm 55 degree temp  rise hot water and in temps down to,the low 50's will heat the coach and the water tank from its 110 volt heating element.  No fuel consumed. 

As we are sort of preppers in shaky town(la) the limited propane tank capacity if used for refer and heating and the cook top is a consideration.

Versus heating the coach and it's water system from a 19 gallon tank?

The diesel gen consumes .44 gph under load.  192 gallon supply.         

Like I said.  Many considerations to take into account.

The temps swings and noise I experienced for many years long ago in the use of many rv's were a large negative for any coaches consideration.  When we saw the Barks traded in U320 we were very happy. Aquahot. M11. WTBI floorplan and the unicorn of all times a mid entry coach.  Done

"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: One or two acs

Reply #29
The aqua hot puts out warm not dried air. 

STD furnace's have the fan come in first when signaled to prevent explosions if the unit had an internal gas leak.

So the temp drops.  Then the flame comes on.  Then when the set point is reached the the flame cuts off but the fan continues running to avoid overheating the heaters box.  So the temp goes up even more.

Roughly 5 degree swings.  Dried out air.  2 zones.  Limited tank heating.

Aqua hot,  3 zones plus engine in and out for a emergency heating source and to preheat the engine for severe winter use.

Separate twin heat exchangers with a separate thermostat for the tank bays and plumbing.

2 1/2 degree temp swings vs 5 degrees.

Propane is noisy.  Aquahot very quiet, 

The Agua hot units also have two front outlets for heat under the counter and sofa and a third in dash exchanger that I understand can be switched on and off and maybe can be adjusted to output it's heat from the various dash outputs?

The idea is that a Foretravel can be a true 4 season coach without mods if aqua hot equipped.  All coaches can be modded to work in winter with more work.

The aqua hot adds 55 degrees temp increase over the water tanks water temp. 

So the dual exchangers heat the tanks water enough to allow hot showers if you run from the tank versus external water.

Aqua hot will allow continuous 1.5 gpm 55 degree temp  rise hot water and in temps down to,the low 50's will heat the coach and the water tank from its 110 volt heating element.  No fuel consumed. 

As we are sort of preppers in shaky town(la) the limited propane tank capacity if used for refer and heating and the cook top is a consideration.

Versus heating the coach and it's water system from a 19 gallon tank?

The diesel gen consumes .44 gph under load.  192 gallon supply.         

Like I said.  Many considerations to take into account.

The temps swings and noise I experienced for many years long ago in the use of many rv's were a large negative for any coaches consideration.  When we saw the Barks traded in U320 we were very happy. Aquahot. M11. WTBI floorplan and the unicorn of all times a mid entry coach.  Done


And how much time and money have you spent on keeping it running. Not being critical but there are countless posts on here about problems.

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Reply #30
We have had problems with our Aquahot  from time to time.  We have had problems with our electric window shades from time to time.  We have had problems with electric awnings from time to time.  Our refrigerator has given problems.  We have a big house with a pool and those give problems from time to time. 

That said, the good days more than make up for the problems IMHO and I don't want to be without any of those things. For some it's not worth the trouble and I say more power to you. 



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Re: One or two acs

Reply #31
Had the burner jet replaced and the chamber cleaned and two relays replaced and the coil igniter replaced when we got our coach 8 years ago. 

 Nothing since.  Zero. 
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: One or two acs

Reply #32
We have had problems with our Aquahot  from time to time.  We have had problems with our electric window shades from time to time.  We have had problems with electric awnings from time to time.  Our refrigerator has given problems.  We have a big house with a pool and those give problems from time to time. 

That said, the good days more than make up for the problems IMHO and I don't want to be without any of those things. For some it's not worth the trouble and I say more power to you. 




electric window shades!!! Would not have it. Propane fridge, get rid of it for a residental, Now i like electric awning but it not very much trouble. Just replaced controller on mine and it is a 2003. Not saying Aquahot not nice. But at retirement don't need a money pit.

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Reply #33
Residential  consumes 175 amp hours a day.  Needs 4 batteries if not more.  Thousands of dollars of solar. 

Made to be in a non moving people temperature space.  Vents heat to inside. Not out.

You are seeming to want a park model somewhat.

Some here like a dry camp non gen running rv at times.

Painted coaches get hotter.  More ac use. More gen run time.

Or travel power pedestal to power pedestal. 

 All campgrounds are full anymore.  Better setup a dry camp capable coach.

When we were younger and more hot blooded the propane temp swings interfered with our recreation noticeably.  Too hot. Uncover. Sweat.  Cold. Blankets needed too much...

Probably not a consideration for most here but a more even temp has numerous advantages.

Oh the propane furnaces smell out side as does the water heater in use.  Had the wind blow the smells back into the coach.  Gag.
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: One or two acs

Reply #34
Bob, I need some clarification from you if you would. You say heat strip and heat pump, my confusion comes from the term heat pump. My understanding of a heat pump, certainly where we live is static fixture on on a house that has pipes and heaven knows what else buried at least 100ft in the ground. This set up takes advantage of the constant ground temperature of 52 degrees.
Our coach has the ac/heat overhead.

All air conditioners are heat pumps.  They pump heat from where it is to where you want it to be.  As Craneman said, some are plumed to reverse the flow of heat, from inside to outside, to outside to inside.  Some air conditioners also have a built in electric heating element often referred to as a heat strip.

The type of heat pump system that you're describing is more of a hobby than an invisible heating system.
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Re: One or two acs

Reply #35
Residential  consumes 175 amp hours a day.  Needs 4 batteries if not more.  Thousands of dollars of solar. 

Made to be in a non moving people temperature space.  Vents heat to inside. Not out.

You are seeming to want a park model somewhat.

Some here like a dry camp non gen running rv at times.

Painted coaches get hotter.  More ac use. More gen run time.

Or travel power pedestal to power pedestal. 

 All campgrounds are full anymore.  Better setup a dry camp capable coach.

When we were younger and more hot blooded the propane temp swings interfered with our recreation noticeably.  Too hot. Uncover. Sweat.  Cold. Blankets needed too much...

Probably not a consideration for most here but a more even temp has numerous advantages.

Oh the propane furnaces smell out side as does the water heater in use.  Had the wind blow the smells back into the coach.  Gag.
Been full time for over 10 years. Never smeeled the propane furance. Proven fact a propane fridge uses a lot of electricty or burn propane. Newer residential fridges are not much more if any. And I had a propane fridge and said I would never have another. Also we will be dry camping with it.

Re: One or two acs

Reply #36
Propane refers use 12 volt for their brain and lighter.  Tiny power versus 175 amp hours

Just need a lot of batteries and solar and the refer installed.

Enjoy your search
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #37
I already have 21k of lithium. and lots of people use residential with solar. Also propane fridge uses 12v + propane or either 12+ plus 120v. It is not a free lunch.

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Reply #38
The type of heat pump system that you're describing is more of a hobby than an invisible heating system.
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Dear sir, I haven't a clue as to what you are talking about, a hobby? And where did the " invisible heating system" comment come from ?
So one more time, thank you Craneman for the Clear explanation.
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Re: One or two acs

Reply #39

The type of heat pump system that you're describing is more of a hobby than an invisible heating system.


Dear sir, I haven't a clue as to what you are talking about, a hobby? And where did the " invisible heating system" comment come from ? I don't want to sound rude but I'm speaking English to someone who speaks American.
So one more time, thank you Craneman for the Clear explanation.


I think the system you are referring to, using underground piping with fluids running through it, gaining heat/cooling from the stable temperature of the earth, is called Geothermal rather than a heat pump.  Otherwise I agree with what you said.

Granted, I could have misunderstood the system you were talking about

Edit:  A geothermal system still uses a heat pump, the difference generally is that the heat is gained or lost via subsurface. piping rather than outside air.  The inside part would be very similar.
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