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Re: Brakes

Reply #25 –
TG,

Helper springs, slide pin return spring, caliper return springs are all the same thing. As the name states they help the caliper release after the brake pedal has been released. These are for coaches with ADB-1560 disc brakes on them. They are Meritor Kit 15018. Now these are not a fix for wrong or too much grease that has been put into the disc brake Zerk fittings that can cause the calipers to not release. They do help if the slide pins get dirty but not so much if you let the slide pins galled.

If you hunt around here on the Forum there has been lots of discussions about the people that use and praise them and those that don't.

Pamela & Mike


Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: Brakes

Reply #26 –
Thought I'd update. There was nothing left but the bake cans on the passenger rear brakes as I stated earlier. The mechanic recommended replacing them. I asked them to look at all the rest of the brakes on the coach while they were at it. Result, we are replacing ALL rear brake components. Front brakes are OK. Parts will be received in four or five business days. So we are will be "homeless" for a bit longer. And life goes on.

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers

Re: Brakes

Reply #27 –
Roland where did you end up going to get the work done? When you say all, calipers as well?
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

Re: Brakes

Reply #28 –
Roland, isn't peace of mind great? Now you know where your new "starting point" is where your braking system is concerned.
I know your feeling. We just went thru our disc brake pads, front & rear, and a new rotor. Turned out the front pads looked like new. I didn't care what they looked like. I wanted all new. $63 plus installation, greasing and inspection labor charge isn't much for peace of mind. Especially when you have to stand on the brakes in an emergency.

H-m-m-m? $63 parts + maybe $30 labor vs X amount of damage to the coach. I'll take the parts cost anytime.
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD

Re: Brakes

Reply #29 –
Quote from: bbeane –
Roland where did you end up going to get the work done? When you say all, calipers as well?
The coach is at Dickenson's in Indianapolis. Changing everything on the driver's side may be going a bit beyond but my instructions to Dickenson's was if it's questionable replace it. That statement included the front brakes also but they found those to be in good shape.

Roland

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers

Re: Brakes

Reply #30 –
Glad you are in the process of getting back going.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

Re: Brakes

Reply #31 –
Roland,

Think you are okay with not doing the front brakes if they say they are okay.  The front pads are the same size as the rear, but only do half the work.  The rear brake 4 tires vs. front 2 tires and the cans are larger to apply more pressure.  Sorry you had a problem, glad it wasn't an accident.
Jerry Whiteaker former owner 96 U270  36' #4831 Austin,TX-Owner Mods LCD TV w/front cabinet rebuild - LCD TV bedroom - Dual Central AC, either can cool coach w 30 amp - Skylights at roof AC openings - Drop ceiling for ducting of AC - Shower skylight white gelcoat/wood/epoxy frame - Air Springs/Shocks replaced - 2014 CRV - 8K Home Solar - Chevy Volt

Re: Brakes

Reply #32 –
Quote from: Pamela & Mike –
TG,

Helper springs, slide pin return spring, caliper return springs are all the same thing. As the name states they help the caliper release after the brake pedal has been released. These are for coaches with ADB-1560 disc brakes on them. They are Meritor Kit 15018. Now these are not a fix for wrong or too much grease that has been put into the disc brake Zerk fittings that can cause the calipers to not release. They do help if the slide pins get dirty but not so much if you let the slide pins galled.

If you hunt around here on the Forum there has been lots of discussions about the people that use and praise them and those that don't.

Pamela & Mike



Thank you

TGordon

Tim Dianics
Pam Sapienza
Vader PupZilla Labrador Canine Beast (AKA Pup)
Columbia, MO
1996 U320 4000
2021 Jeep Gladiator, Diesel

Re: Brakes

Reply #33 –
Quote from: bbeane –
Be truthful here, how many of you have ever seen a tire shop or road service man use a torque wrench.

Goodyear Tire (wingfoot tire) in Hope Arkansas uses a torque ratchet to check torque on our semi trucks and trailers.. True they use an air ratchet to put them on but the final step is to check lug torque with a torque wrench. But in agreement with you, many or most do not.. Liability exposure is why this tire dealer takes this extra step.
Dub McBride 1996 270

Re: Brakes

Reply #34 –
Dub, our experience with those few shops that use a torque wrench AFTER air gun is for show only as usually the air gun over torqued them, sometimes by a lot and the torque wrench jus says they are over the setpoint.

Correct way is partly tightening with air and always get nut-movements with torque wrench, which is the only way to know they are tightened to specs.

By far most shops including Nacogdoches Michelin tire shop do not own torque wrench for truck tires.

Shops want to know they did not under torque for liability reasons, but not to protect from stud yielding or stretching.

Re: Brakes

Reply #35 –
After a minute's thought I think you may be right Barry.
Dub McBride 1996 270

Re: Brakes

Reply #36 –
When we had our brakes done on the coach we were allowed to stay in the coach. I heard the mechanic ask one of the younger guys to go get the "BIG" torque wrench, the one that can torque either right or left hand. The young guy says "oh, the 4' long handle one?"
I watched out the window as the mechanic ran the lug nuts snug with the air impact wrench then stopped almost immediately. He then proceeded to use the "BIG" torque wrench. He told the young guy that Budd wheels had to be torqued between 400 & 500 FTLBS.
Made me fell confident about the quality of work we were receiving from Southside Tire in Weston, WI.
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD

Re: Brakes

Reply #37 –
Got a call from Dickinson's today coach will be ready Friday morning. We will leave for Indianapolis on Thursday and get back on the road. Been a witch being homeless.

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers

Re: Brakes

Reply #38 –
This is excellent advice and info I would never have thought of.
1989 Foretravel U300 Grand Villa
Build #3410

Re: Brakes

Reply #39 –
OK picked up the coach early this afternoon. Here is my assessment of Dickinson's in Indianapolis. The work that was done was first class. They checked the driver's side rear brakes as I requested and found them in need of replacement. I saw the old parts and yes they needed doing. The cost was not cheap, nothing is cheap on this coach but they came in under the estimate and that's a first for me. I was in New Hampshire while they worked on the coach so I could not "watch" the process. Communication with them while the coach was being worked on went very well. Bob told me the coach would be ready before noon today and it would have been had one of the lug nuts not started slipping. They missed by a couple hours that was OK with me.

I spoke with the technician that worked on the coach and he showed me the old parts. Nothing but metal on metal on the driver's side. The bearings and races were toast. Bearing races and seals were all replaced as well as the calipers disc and brake cans.The mechanic had a hard time finding parts for the brake system. He wound up calling Fotetravel (he found Fotetravel phone number in our coach) and they hooked him up with their supplier. The calipers were assembled in NJ and shipped to Indianapolis.

The not so good stuff.
This outfit works on heavy equipment I was the only RV there although they do work on recreation vehicles. The inside of the coach was not kept clean. One of our carpet runners will have to be cleaned have to wait and see how that comes out. There was no paper on the floor, had I had a wall to wall rug I would have thrown a fit. They did cover the driver's chair with plastic and that did not get any stains or dirt on it so there's that. The refrigerator was not running while the coach was in the shop so we lost everything in the refrigerator and freezer. Wasn't a lot but it's a mess to clean up.

Would I go there and would I recommend them. Yes but I would empty the refrigerator and freezer if it was a long term job and I would insist BEFORE work was done that they cover the floor.

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers

Re: Brakes

Reply #40 –
I HATE to ask so many questions before being serviced, but it's gotta be done, otherwise you get that 'blank stare'. Did they space-out plugging the coach in for the fridge? Did the fridge not switch over to propane, or did they shut that off, too?
1993 U-240 "La Villa Grande"..CAT 3116 w/ Pacbrake PRXB...Allison 3060 6-speed..
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Re: Brakes

Reply #41 –
Mike, the refrigerator was set up to switch automatically. They did not plug it in an I guess they did not like an absorption refrigerator running on propane in an unoccupied shop. Like I stated they work on RV'S but it's not their primary business. We should have emptied the thing out. I have too assume most of the responsibility for that. I put it in my post so that if anyone else uses their facilities they can take it into consideration. Not a biggie for me especially after visiting the alternative shop.

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers
 

Re: Brakes

Reply #42 –
Hope to see you in Ajo, we'll be down in September, how about you? You'll like the owner of the other FT in town ('the orphan'). Maybe we can convince him that she deserves better!
1993 U-240 "La Villa Grande"..CAT 3116 w/ Pacbrake PRXB...Allison 3060 6-speed..
Previous: 1983 Airstream 310 turbo diesel, 1979 Airstream 280 turbo diesel
                                      Build # 4297
                                      PNW natives
                      Home base:  'Cactus Hug' (Ajo, Arizona)
                        DW Judy & Chet the wonder dog
                        Full-Timers 'Sailing the asphalt sea'