Brakes

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Brakes

June 06, 2018, 04:56:54 pm

I need some brake work done. Passenger side rear brakes are kaput. Will explain later when I have more time. I am beat Indianapolis IN. Any recommendations.

Roland

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Reply #1 – June 06, 2018, 05:07:04 pm

I would have the helper springs installed at the same time along with what else is needed.

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Reply #2 – June 06, 2018, 07:08:51 pm

I had luck with the Cummins shop in town when I needed stuff done. I use Cummins in VA and they did my brakes a while ago.

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Reply #3 – June 06, 2018, 08:10:52 pm

John, I called them they only work on Cummins engine, at least in Indianapolis.

Roland

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Reply #4 – June 06, 2018, 09:02:22 pm

If you don't get first hand recommendations, contact a local fire station. Many fire trucks use the same air disk brakes.

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Reply #5 – June 06, 2018, 10:28:54 pm

You can give Bauer Bilt tires a call and tell them what you have to see if they will do it. The other possible places in Indy are Warner Truck Spring and Indianapolis Spring (I think both are the same company with two locations). Bauer Bilt is on the south side of Indy, just south of exit 4 on Interstate 465.

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Reply #6 – June 07, 2018, 06:18:07 am

Bauer Bilt near Chicago butchered my lugs when I bought tires. They then told me they could not repair the damage because they only sell tires. They had to cut the left rear wheel off with a torch because the "tech" didn't know the left side of the coach has reversed threads. NO WAY will I ever do business with them again!

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Reply #7 – June 07, 2018, 01:14:30 pm

OK more relaxed now. So here's the rest of the story. Seems the right rear brakes on the passenger side rear dually was stuck on. No I did not have helper springs. Never noticed any difference while driving down the road. My speed vs tach was same as always. As a result the brake pads wore out and we had steel on steel until something gave. During the final destruction process a piece of metal punctured the inner dually. I pulled over to the side of the road thinking I just had a blowout and needed to get a new tire. When the tire repair tech pulled the inner hub and tire off is when I realized it was more then a "blowout". I was going to cage the brake can but then realized I didn't need to do that as there are no brakes on that wheel. I wanted to get off the side of the road without getting towed so I drove to the Indiana State Fairgrounds very slowly using as little brake pedal as possible.

This morning I contemplated driving to MOT to get everything fixed. I thought maybe I could drive there. Then I thought of Tennessee RV and thought that would be a better option as they are much closer. Before doing either I took a look at the brakes on the other side and the disc on that side does not give me a comfortable feeling. I had my DW apply the brakes while I watched and the comfort level did not get better.

I went to the a nearby fire station and asked where they get their brake work done after reading Bret's suggestion. Seems they have their own division that does all their maintenance. They suggested that I call Indiana Spring as they do that kind of work. I have an appointment with them next week.

And the saga continues.

Roland

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Reply #8 – June 07, 2018, 01:50:07 pm

Might also check with the fire station maintenance department.

I would be surprised if there was not a tech familiar with our air brake system (need to VERIFY) interested in "moonlighting" for $$. Most small town maintenance departments will bend over backwards to help travelers in need.

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Reply #9 – June 07, 2018, 02:31:36 pm

Another thing to have them check out when you get the work done is your slide pins. On my 97 they were pitted and had to be replaced.
jor

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Reply #10 – June 07, 2018, 04:42:35 pm

You should always note to the tech that you have left hand threads on the work order .

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Reply #11 – June 09, 2018, 02:39:03 am

Quote from: Protech Racing – June 07, 2018, 04:42:35 pm

You should always note to the tech that you have left hand threads on the work order .

Ah that's why I love and hate reading the forums. So much I don't know, so much to learn.
So please enlighten my about the left and right hand threads on the wheels. I'm sure its somewhere in the paperwork that came with the coach, but unfortunately all I have are PDF's and not enough time to read it all. So the lefty loosey, righty tighty doesn't work on fortravels... its it both wheels or just the inners?
Thanks!
Bob

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Reply #12 – June 09, 2018, 06:48:04 am

Bob,

With your coach being a '99 you should have "Hub piloted" wheels. Your lug nuts should look like they have washers made on them where they come in contact with the wheel. These are standard threads (lefty loosey, righty tighty, in your words). The "Budd wheels" or also called "Stud piloted" are the ones that have the left hand threads on the left side of the coach. These lug nuts have a taper where the nut comes in contact with the wheel, these studs will have a "L" stamped on the stud end with the left hand threads. Here is a link (one of many out there) that will help you out and others out understand the difference. Hub Pilot vs. Stud Pilot – Buy Truck Wheels

Pamela & Mike

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Reply #13 – June 09, 2018, 07:14:17 am

If you have the chrome plastic lug nut covers and they all unscrew in a counterclockwise motion they are all right hand threads. These just screw onto the studs.

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Reply #14 – June 09, 2018, 09:50:24 am

The left hand threads would be on the wheel studs on the left side of the coach.

Generally, they are identified by an L embossed on the end of the stud.

This is not a Foretravel issue-- it is common on HD axles.

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Reply #15 – June 09, 2018, 10:03:02 am

And if the guy removing a tire breaks off a stud stop him and make sure he is going the right way. Had this happen once and after breaking 3 studs he stopped and told the shop supervisor that all my studs were bad.

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Reply #16 – June 09, 2018, 10:34:17 am

Sorry but if you have your studs with no-seize on them and the proper torque, you can easily remove them with a socket and an extension pipe. The same for putting it back on and torquing with either a torque wrench or a bathroom scale. Even if you don't do it yourself, having the tools available for a shop to do it and never letting anyone with an airgun near your coach. Along with owning a coach comes the responsibility of knowing at least the basics about it's operation and systems. If a shop breaks off studs, it's as much your fault as theirs.

Hope I didn't ruffle too many feathers.

Pierce

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Reply #17 – June 09, 2018, 11:08:13 am

Be truthful here, how many of you have ever seen a tire shop or road service man use a torque wrench.

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Reply #18 – June 09, 2018, 11:19:26 am

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – June 09, 2018, 10:34:17 am

Sorry but if you have your studs with no-seize on them and the proper torque, you can easily remove them with a socket and an extension pipe.

Pierce

Be aware that published torques are for DRY threads. Nothing wrong with anti-sieze, but then one has to reduce the torque applied, as lubed threads change the equation.

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Reply #19 – June 09, 2018, 11:21:09 am

Bruce, they use a large torque wrench at Colton Truck Terminal in Colton CA. I was impressed because it is not a tire shop.

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Reply #20 – June 09, 2018, 12:03:59 pm

I was going to bring the coach to Indianapolis Spring but was not comfortable when I spoke with the service rep there. Seems he knew everything about everything as brakes were his business and that before he knew what I had for a coach.

Just returned from Dickinson Fleet Services and spent quite a while discussing my problem with a mechanic, Dave, that came in as a favor to a customer. I just happened to be there at the right time to catch him before he left. Spoke at length with him about my problem and felt that this is a better place to bring the coach especially as Dickinson's is a Meritor dealer and they are a Nationwide company. Time will tell if I picked correctly.

Roland

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Reply #21 – June 09, 2018, 12:14:45 pm

Roland I used to use Dickinson's ( in Orlando Fl) for road and job site service on our heavy stuff bus/and medium truck. No problem. Just try to give them as much information as you can find on part #s axle seals and so on.

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Reply #22 – June 09, 2018, 04:34:01 pm

Keep in mind that a torque wrench is only as good as the operator who presets the break-over, AND that it must be properly handled/maintained, and periodically calibrated. Even the most precise instrument can be rendered totally ineffective by improper use and care.

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Reply #23 – June 10, 2018, 09:11:34 pm

A torque wrench in commercial service should be calibrated at least annually.

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Reply #24 – June 10, 2018, 11:23:19 pm

Quote from: wolfe10 – June 06, 2018, 05:07:04 pm

I would have the helper springs installed at the same time along with what else is needed.

Helper springs???

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