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Reply #25
Hey Folks,

We had a 2007 Foretravel Nimbus and had many problems with the exterior paint work. First, we had terrible crazing (hope I spelled this correct) around the entire coach. We had Foretravel repair this during warranty and after warranty - a total of five years. We also had a serious delamentation under the drivers window because of a water leak. The window itself did not leak but where the front cap met the sidewall, there the water came in. They (Foretravel) assumed the glue to hold the trim piece covering the seam would keep water out. Apparently, using limited glue on the trim did not work. This explained to me why Foretravel repaired the other trim pieces found where the rear cap and side walls met. When we had the delamination issue in year seven, we assumed Foretravel would cover this repair since it was not good for their reputation. At first the warranty manager stated it was not their problem but after hours of debate, they did cover the cost. I also saw two other Nimbus 2007 coaches at Foretravel with the same issues. Some were built in the spring of 2006 like mine and some we built in late 2007. I have now sold my coach and went to Prevost with my needs. I too had wondered about this problem when we were thinking of either buying an IH or Prevost. Since most IH at the time were painted black, we were very nervous of a similar problem.

The entire Rv industry had a crazing problem as I understand it from a problem from Dow chemical.  Dark areas.  Seen many different brands from those years with the same issues in the darkly painted areas. 

Country coach guy in utah when we were in a car showed me his at a rest stop. Something with the resin?
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: FT Chassis

Reply #26
To the best of my knowledge:

Pre-2000:  U280, U300, U270, U295, U320 are "no-slide" with truss steel structure in walls and no frame rails at all. Very weight efficient structure.  No frame rails means great basement storage and tanks can be simple rectangular shape and thus larger that if you had a frame rail to work around.

2000-2001 "one slide coaches": Same as above but had to add a truss structure under the floor on drivers side (side with slide).  The truss is located all the way outboard on driver side and greatly hampers basement access on that side - I would imagine full extension joey beds were popular on the passenger side.

2002 -today "multi-slide": Frame rails added.  Just too many "holes" in structure otherwise.

Something else to note:  Foretravel also made their own suspension - the 8 outboard air bag system (tag will have 10).  Started with the first U300 in 1987(?) and I think is still used (largely unchanged) on the rear suspension on today's coaches.  Obviously was replaced with IFS on the front axle.  One thing that seems to go unsung, is how reliable these suspensions are.  I can't recall any posts regarding issues with these (OK Michelle, see if you can find one?)  Very stout built.  I don't think even Country Coach ever built their own suspension - Monaco did copy it for a while on their Signatures.
John Fitzgerald
1991 U300 (SAI) Side Aisle Island Bed 40'
Detroit 6V92 with Allison Retarder
Meridian (Boise), Idaho

Re: FT Chassis

Reply #27
To the best of my knowledge:

Pre-2000:  U280, U300, U270, U295, U320 are "no-slide" with truss steel structure in walls and no frame rails at all. Very weight efficient structure.  No frame rails means great basement storage and tanks can be simple rectangular shape and thus larger that if you had a frame rail to work around.

2000-2001 "one slide coaches": Same as above but had to add a truss structure under the floor on drivers side (side with slide).  The truss is located all the way outboard on driver side and greatly hampers basement access on that side - I would imagine full extension joey beds were popular on the passenger side.

2002 -today "multi-slide": Frame rails added.  Just too many "holes" in structure otherwise.

Something else to note:  Foretravel also made their own suspension - the 8 outboard air bag system (tag will have 10).  Started with the first U300 in 1987(?) and I think is still used (largely unchanged) on the rear suspension on today's coaches.  Obviously was replaced with IFS on the front axle.  One thing that seems to go unsung, is how reliable these suspensions are.  I can't recall any posts regarding issues with these (OK Michelle, see if you can find one?)  Very stout built.  I don't think even Country Coach ever built their own suspension - Monaco did copy it for a while on their Signatures.

Country coach used ridewell or neway if memory served me.  Beaver used gillig which had a very nice proprietary true bus front suspension and a multi air bag per side ridewell rear in the 91's and up.

Monaco copied the Foretravel unihome setup after I showed my Monaco buddies the coach at the dodger Rv show.  They modded it enough to not get sued.

The rear axle setup on their version has the locating arms facing forward versus both Foretravel axle assemblies are trailing beam.

Lots of Monaco bushing and panhard rod bushings replaced on their copies over the years.

I mentioned the non quality copy later to their engineering vp one  day as Enoch was an old buddy from so cal street racing days in the 60's and he laughed.  "Most of our customers will trade in four years bob"

No mercy at all  square edges were the issue. Super slab no problems. Secondary roads? Problem.

Trailing beam hard to hurt or wear out like the landing gear on a navy jet fighter.  Hinged from the front.  Kicks up after the fulcrum point has passed the object. 
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: FT Chassis

Reply #28
2000 has truss and minhs full extension Joey beds
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
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Reply #29
I've been on the road in a couple high end and fairly new SOB's. Our '89 u280 rides better.
Jay
1989 U280 SE, 36', 3208T Cat, build 3292

Re: FT Chassis

Reply #30
I've been on the road in a couple high end and fairly new SOB's. Our '89 u280 rides better.

Each air bag runs 1\2 internal pressure of a single installation.  Locating the bags at the outside edge of the body under the load reduces any sway. 

Add good shocks and we win
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: FT Chassis

Reply #31
This was exactly the thread I was looking for. One problem it refers heavily to Barry Beam and the link is gone. I looked for Barry's website it too has gone. Does anyone know if that chassis information has been imported to this forum anyhwere?Thanks in advance!
Exploring the Foretravel World


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Reply #33
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Chuck Wiggy
Coloma, Wisconsin
Sold my 1999 U 320 40 Ft. M11 450 hp
Build # 5468
2009 Silverado

Re: FT Chassis

Reply #34

This was exactly the thread I was looking for. One problem it refers heavily to Barry Beam and the link is gone. I looked for Barry's website it too has gone. Does anyone know if that chassis information has been imported to this forum anyhwere?Thanks in advance!
You might try the like at this Post with Wayback time machine link web archive.
40ft 1997 U320

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Reply #35
Foreforums and our Wiki have a wealth of info. 

start [ForeForums Foretravel Motorcoach Wiki]

The majority of info on other sites originated here and in the old Yahoo Group, which is part of our archive.  You can use the forum search engine (Community -> Search) to pinpoint it.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

 

Re: FT Chassis

Reply #36
2000-2001 "one slide coaches": Same as above but had to add a truss structure under the floor on drivers side (side with slide).  The truss is located all the way outboard on driver side and greatly hampers basement access on that side - I would imagine full extension joey beds were popular on the passenger side.
2000-2001 also had a reinforcement above the slide. This is made from steel tube, is attached to the aluminum roof side corner and steel wall structure with many 5/16" screws, and extends beyond the opening, both ends, about 18". I wouldn't call it a truss, since it lacks triangulating members, but it does appear to use the roof corner as a shear plane. This is in addition to the steel tube in the wall structure above the slide opening. With the slide retracted, the 4 locking pins tie the triangulated slide to the wall.

Not sure I would want to park a Cadillac on it, but it is very sturdy.
Greg & Cathy
2000 U320 4010 DGFE Build #5650
Had: 1999 Tradewinds 7370