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Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #25
I will add my nickles' worth of free advice. On my 96, I developed a leak at the fuel line from the primary to the engine. I removed the original setup which was located in my engine battery bay. I moved the primary filter assembly to the rear of my engine compartment so that I could stand up instead of crawling on my knees. I used the Racor 790/30 set up. I replaced the primer button of the original with the new button. Had to drill 1 new mounting hole. lWhen I broke down last fall in NM, I thought that I had gotten bad fuel. Took longer to drive to the Napa for a filter (5 miles away) than it did to change it out. My problem wasn't bad fuel.

This might be the best modification that I have ever done for my coach. When I took the coach out of storage 2 weeks ago, I hit the primer button for 20 seconds +/- and she cranked for maybe 5 seconds and fired right up.

Nothing against the other systems many on the forum use and recommend theirs, but I haven't been sorry with my choice.

Larry
Larry Warren
1996  U320 36' SBID "Lola" sold 2020
Build #4970
Motorcade #18318

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #26
As I have written before I am very pleased with my change to a Parker/Racor 790R30 and I would recommend you do the same.
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #27
As I have written before I am very pleased with my change to a Parker/Racor 790R30 and I would recommend you do the same.

Totally agree.  Put one on my sisters coach some years back, has given great service and the prime function is worth its weight in gold.
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Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #28
I have a few questions regarding this fuel filter topic relative to an issue that's developed while doing filter maintenance this week.  I've had this typical maintenance done at a shop. Attempting to learn how to take care of this "beast" myself.

The current setup has a Donaldson P550691filter as the primary.

2-  If the "new" Donaldson P550691 filter hangs up and cannot be easily snugged up then tightened, I will assume the mandrel base threads have an issue. Does this filter look like a WIX base? No number on the base unfortunately... Any ideas on how/where to get a replacement base, (is there a check valve in the base?). Did the wrong filter get installed on it???


Also, if the filter has two "O" rings make sure that the smaller inner O ring from the old filter has been removed from the mandrel based threads, sometimes hard to see, and that your not trying to compress 2 "O" rings with the new filter installation.
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Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #29
Jeff,

That filter base looks more like a filter base for a hyd. log splitter that was put on as a get by.  If the new filter you have ordered don't spin on with ease that leads me to think that either the center mount threads are damaged or that the filter has the wrong threads for the filter base.  In either case I would replace it so service can be done without fretting  as you don't need to have to order a special fuel filter if you are in a bind.  If you pick up a bad load of fuel you want to be able to change filters setting on the side of the road without a lot of trouble as you will be fit to be tied at this point.  The location of the filter is great of ease of access though.

 If I was changing out filter bases I would get one that a replacement filter could be gotten at most any parts store or truck stop even though I carry a spare set of filters. The Racor 790R30 with the clear bowl (90 GPH flow) or the Davco 382 (180GPH flow) would either be a good replacement. If you went with the smaller  Davco 243 with 60 GPH flow would be starving the M-11 IMHO. You can pick up a used Davco off eBay or out of a truck wrecking yard and give it a good cleaning with new filter for about half price of a new one in the box so shop around.

Mike
I second Mike on that. I have the racor 790. Had to rebuild it last year but it's a great filter. Looked at the Davco and almost purchased one. Either would do you fine. Just make sure it's the correct flow.
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Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #30
I thought the Racor has a built in pump? Auto?
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Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #31
I thought the Racor has a built in pump? Auto?

The Parker Racor 790R30 has a built-in pump. I haven't seen one that's automatic. Mine is manually controlled.
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #32
Greetings all,

I think that the most prudent action would be to remove what is installed and go for the Parker/Racor unit, the 790R30 as suggested.  I think that the screw threads on the mandrel base are compromised. The mounting position of the current setup and fuel hoses are at the rear of the M11 up high and a convenient easy place to change filters.   

Anyone have any experience  with the Racor 490R30 unit?  It's the exact same filter and flow rate as the electric prime model 790R30, but has the manual prime botton. Might save me from mounting the control box and bringing over a fused 12v line.

Thanks, Jeff
Jeff & Kristen
2002 U320 build #6039
Living the Dream!

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #33

Anyone have any experience  with the Racor 490R30 unit?  It's the exact same filter and flow rate as the electric prime model 790R30, but has the manual prime botton. Might save me from mounting the control box and bringing over a fused 12v line.


I am not familiar with the 490R30 unit, but it looks as if you would need to manually press the button to prime. I can envision having to push that button many, many times in order to prime it. Consider the very long line from the fuel tank to the filter. In the long run I think the one-time effort in mounting the control box and running the fused line would be well worth it!
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #34
Jeff,

Unless it is a misprint on the Parker Racor website, the manual model ports are 3/8" while the ones on the electric model are 7/8" and, are different style.  You will want to make sure the manual model is not restrictive-- sorry, I am not conversant on comparing actual ID of the two styles.

http://ph.parker.com/us/en/diesel-fuel-filter-spin-on/490r30

http://ph.parker.com/us/en/spin-on-filter-pump-systems/790r30-12v-dc-pump

#490R30 Port Size:    3/8"-18 NPTF (SAE J476)

#790R30 Port Size:    7/8"-14 UNF
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Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #35
Jeff,

Unless it is a misprint on the Parker Racor website, the manual model ports are 3/8" while the ones on the electric model are 7/8" and, are different style.  You will want to make sure the manual model is not restrictive-- sorry, I am not conversant on comparing actual ID of the two styles.

http://ph.parker.com/us/en/diesel-fuel-filter-spin-on/490r30

http://ph.parker.com/us/en/spin-on-filter-pump-systems/790r30-12v-dc-pump

#490R30 Port Size: 3/8"-18 NPTF (SAE J476)

#790R30 Port Size: 7/8"-14 UNF

Wow, good catch Brett.  I spoke with the Racor Tech Support Rep. this afternoon, he indicated they were virtually the same model and use the same filter media, other than than of course  manual push button prime verse electric prime.  I put another call in for the Tech Support Rep. to clarify the documentation.  If the ports are that much smaller, I agree it would be a restrictive flow rate.

Jeff 
Jeff & Kristen
2002 U320 build #6039
Living the Dream!

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #36
Monaco used the 790/30 on their coaches
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

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08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #37
When I put on my 730 pump, the factory sent me a 430 instead. It was a couple hundred dollars less, but wasn't what I wanted. I sent it back and got the 730. I used the same power wire from the prime button in the engine bay from the old Winn system. I love the electric prime. It was worth the extra money for me. Parker Racor was also very good to work with. No problem with the exchange. They apologized for the error even though I was the one who ordered the wrong unit.

Larry
Larry Warren
1996  U320 36' SBID "Lola" sold 2020
Build #4970
Motorcade #18318

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #38
Wow, good catch Brett.  I spoke with the Racor Tech Support Rep. this afternoon, he indicated they were virtually the same model and use the same filter media, other than than of course  manual push button prime verse electric prime.  I put another call in for the Tech Support Rep. to clarify the documentation.  If the ports are that much smaller, I agree it would be a restrictive flow rate.

Jeff 

Hi Brett,  The Tech Support Rep just called back.  He indicated that the connectors and port sizes are indeed sized as the spec sheet states.  When asked about restrictive flow rates, the answer was No Restrictions. Both "assemblies" or models are rated for 90 GPH. He assured either unit will function the same for our application, just a decision about manual prime verse electric prime.

I have to check the size and thread of the fuel line connectors that are currently on our U320, the fuel line hoses going up to the installed primary filter are not that big... The path of least resistance to replace the current primary filter situation is how I'd like to proceed. The power wires are no longer there, I suppose I could pull 12V off the start battery buss bars and in-line fuse.

The Racor solution seems to be the correct choice here, just need to evaluate which is easier to install.  Although I've been very lucky with fuel, I will carry spares of both the primary and secondary filters. 

This is a great forum, thanks to everyone for pointing me to the solution options, the details and especially the cross checking that Brett did!  Very Thankful!

Jeff           



 

Jeff & Kristen
2002 U320 build #6039
Living the Dream!

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #39
Hopefully, someone will post the ID difference-- as they are different types of connections-- it was just the 3/8" vs 7/8" that caught my eye.
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Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #40
If I remeber correctly I got adapters to go up to the 7/8". The guy at NAPA was very adept at making the right connections. They will fabricate hydraulic hoses here in town so he knew right where to go make up the pieces.

Larry
Larry Warren
1996  U320 36' SBID "Lola" sold 2020
Build #4970
Motorcade #18318

Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #41
3/8 pipe dia. is close to 7/8 unc
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Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #42
I think that there is 12 volts at the remote start that will power the switch for the racor
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Re: M11 Fuel filter questions

Reply #43
OK,  Racor 790R30 assembly, plus a spare filter on order... Should have it early next week.  Problem solved.  Will post pictures when complete.

Jeff
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