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Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

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Your 5.9 is a great engine. Overkill for pickup trucks.

I believe that the Cummins 5.9 that was used in the Dodge P/U is different from the medium duty truck engine.  The truck engine is a wet sleeve whereas the P/U engine is not.
Peter & Beth Martin
No Forrest? What have you done?
MC# 15890 until Dec 2016; FMCA #F329677
Cincinnati, OH

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #1 –
Actually Peter, my research on my U-225 resulted in it not being a wet sleeve or any different than the P/U truck engine according to my local Cummins shop. Standard automotive antifreeze is just fine.
The selected media item is not currently available.Kent Speers
Locust Grove, OK
1993 U300 SSE 40' (Restored at FOT 2009) Build 4323
720 watts Solar
6V92TA DDEC Silver Engine
2014 Subaru Outback

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #2 –
Kent,
Don't go by the antifreeze spec.  My C8.3 also uses standard automotive antifreeze at a 50-50 mix as well.
Peter & Beth Martin
No Forrest? What have you done?
MC# 15890 until Dec 2016; FMCA #F329677
Cincinnati, OH

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #3 –
If your 8.3 is wet sleeve, what prevents skirt damage due to cavitation? I thought wet sleve/skirt diesels could not use standard antifreeze.
The selected media item is not currently available.Kent Speers
Locust Grove, OK
1993 U300 SSE 40' (Restored at FOT 2009) Build 4323
720 watts Solar
6V92TA DDEC Silver Engine
2014 Subaru Outback

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #4 –
Kent,
I'm not an expert...there is the following information for the C8.3 engine coolant...
 
Coolant Filter-  Fleetguard WF2051 also check WF2071.

SCA Concentration 1.2 to 3.0 units/gal

Coolant Test Strips, CC2602AM
 
I understand that the Specific Coolant Additive contained in the filter is for the cavitation issue.

 
Peter & Beth Martin
No Forrest? What have you done?
MC# 15890 until Dec 2016; FMCA #F329677
Cincinnati, OH

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #5 –
Quote from: Peter & Beth –
Kent,
I'm not an expert...there is the following information for the C8.3 engine coolant...
 
Coolant Filter-  Fleetguard WF2051 also check WF2071.

SCA Concentration 1.2 to 3.0 units/gal

Coolant Test Strips, CC2602AM
 
I understand that the Specific Coolant Additive contained in the filter is for the cavitation issue.

 

Peter, I was not aware you could get filters with the SCA additive in them. If you need SCA, you have a wet sleeve engine. My understanding is that the 5.9 in the U225 does not need SCA or a special filter, just regular antifreeze like the pickup engine.
The selected media item is not currently available.Kent Speers
Locust Grove, OK
1993 U300 SSE 40' (Restored at FOT 2009) Build 4323
720 watts Solar
6V92TA DDEC Silver Engine
2014 Subaru Outback

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #6 –
There's more...
 
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8ZqSWMee3uYJ:www.beamalarm.com/foretravel-links/PDF/b59-and-c83-oil-schedule.pdf+fleetguard+SCA+filter&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg0LlTMeH5xGnLk1HUY3fNvXi2nxMk-RkzNzfRjMN3ypJia4owFL0S7tw06170RabluJtYGMXJfjO556px1LcTRA1Ob6_BqjpyD27hBLVnCsQ_KKRmwSOzFIce6nkiew4vH0Bgt&sig=AHIEtbRpLtrqd1JvDzDNxwRxrTVAWcGrBg
 or
RV Maintenance and Operation B5.9 and C8.3 Engines

I thought that Cummins built the Dodge engine to a lesser duty cycle than those Cummins built for motorhome chassis.  Then again, maybe the only difference between the engines built in those days was the injector, pump, turbo, etc.

Peter & Beth Martin
No Forrest? What have you done?
MC# 15890 until Dec 2016; FMCA #F329677
Cincinnati, OH

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #7 –
Peter, as I read it, the 8.3 is a "wet liner" engine and does require additional SCA. The 5.9 does not. Is that the way you read it?

Its my understanding that if the proper amount of SCA or similar chemicals are not used in a wet liner/sleeve engine the cavitation will cause pitting on the outside of the liner and premature liner failure. That was one of the things I liked about the 5.9 Cummins, much simpler maintenance and less quantity of oil per oil change.
The selected media item is not currently available.Kent Speers
Locust Grove, OK
1993 U300 SSE 40' (Restored at FOT 2009) Build 4323
720 watts Solar
6V92TA DDEC Silver Engine
2014 Subaru Outback

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #8 –
Quote from: Kent Speers –
Peter, as I read it, the 8.3 is a "wet liner" engine and does require additional SCA. The 5.9 does not. Is that the way you read it?

Its my understanding that if the proper amount of SCA or similar chemicals are not used in a wet liner/sleeve engine the cavitation will cause pitting on the outside of the liner and premature liner failure. That was one of the things I liked about the 5.9 Cummins, much simpler maintenance and less quantity of oil per oil change.
Kent,
That's also the way I read it.  The 5.9 Cummins is not a wet sleeve engine which may use the Cummins spec. Fleetguard Compleat anti freeze with SCA as well.
 
"Pre-formulated Antifreeze and SCA
Pre-formulated antifreeze, such as Fleetguard Compleat, offers
a vehicle owner the convenience of a pre-mixed antifreeze
solution containing high quality water and the correct chemical
balance of antifreeze and SCA. Compleat may be used with the
B5.9"
Peter & Beth Martin
No Forrest? What have you done?
MC# 15890 until Dec 2016; FMCA #F329677
Cincinnati, OH

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #9 –
Quote from: Peter & Beth –
Quote from: Kent Speers –
Peter, as I read it, the 8.3 is a "wet liner" engine and does require additional SCA. The 5.9 does not. Is that the way you read it?

Its my understanding that if the proper amount of SCA or similar chemicals are not used in a wet liner/sleeve engine the cavitation will cause pitting on the outside of the liner and premature liner failure. That was one of the things I liked about the 5.9 Cummins, much simpler maintenance and less quantity of oil per oil change.
Kent,
That's also the way I read it.  The 5.9 Cummins is not a wet sleeve engine which may use the Cummins spec. Fleetguard Compleat anti freeze with SCA as well.
 
"Pre-formulated Antifreeze and SCA
Pre-formulated antifreeze, such as Fleetguard Compleat, offers
a vehicle owner the convenience of a pre-mixed antifreeze
solution containing high quality water and the correct chemical
balance of antifreeze and SCA. Compleat may be used with the
B5.9"

We are on the same page but I am a Walmart kinda guy. I don't like giving my money to the local Cummins dealer. They snookered me one too many times. Hopefully, I will find out if the Detroit/Allison dealer is any better late this week.
The selected media item is not currently available.Kent Speers
Locust Grove, OK
1993 U300 SSE 40' (Restored at FOT 2009) Build 4323
720 watts Solar
6V92TA DDEC Silver Engine
2014 Subaru Outback

Re: Cummins 5.9. Wet sleeve?

Reply #10 –
One clarification. 

With any engine other than the Cummins B 5.9 engine, the "poorest" acceptable coolant is:  Low silicate for diesels with added SCA. Regular automotive coolant is NOT acceptable, as they have high silicate content as well as no SCA.

A better option is the OAT based long life coolants.

Do NOT mix the two types.

Brett
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