Model 3000-Thoughts and Opinions

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Model 3000-Thoughts and Opinions

April 23, 2012, 10:59:52 pm

I am looking at getting my first RV and am looking at a 1992 model 3000, I was hoping I could get any info about the 3000, like any known issue, any good issue.

Here is a little info on it's features,

Cummins 5.9 190 hp-130,000 miles
Allison 542 transmission
Brakes are Hyd. Disk
Rear Axel Dana HD 80
Oshkosh Chassis
6.3 diesel L.P generator

This Grand Villa is going to need some TLC on the cosmetic end but I am for function over fashion to start off with. I can take care of the cosmetic end later.

No leaks that I can see and I have looked it over 4 times.
It will need new tires.
Everything I have tried on it works, the air conditioner that comes from the dash blows cool air, not very cold.

If I where to get this I would do tires and brakes first, then take if to the Cummins place up in OKC for service and then go from there, also
would do the Koni shock thing on it.

It looks like a 20 year old RV but the inside just needs new carpet and some elbow grease.

I have just mentioned general things, I do have a spec. sheet if there are questions about other features.

I just would like comments on the model 3000 in general.

Thanks for your time.

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Reply #1 – April 24, 2012, 12:11:36 pm

I can only talk about the Cummins 5.9 @ 190 hp and the Allison 540 series, I have one in my Freightliner FL 60, used as a crane truck for my business, it has 190K miles and never wants or needs anything beyound normal oil change & filters, did need new belt tensioner and new air conditioner compressor, truck is a 1997 I think.
It is not the quickest nor fastest, but it will get you there very nicely with reasonable fuel mileage.
Enjoy that setup.
Dave M

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Reply #2 – April 24, 2012, 02:04:56 pm

Take a look at the brochure here:
1992 Foretravel Ored Specifications

Tons of info on Barry's site.

I see 3400 and 3600 models - indicates the length, I believe. So is your coach a 30 footer?

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Reply #3 – April 24, 2012, 04:02:53 pm

Quote from: Dave Head – April 24, 2012, 02:04:56 pm

Take a look at the brochure here:
1992 Foretravel Ored Specifications

Tons of info on Barry's site.

I see 3400 and 3600 models - indicates the length, I believe. So is your coach a 30 footer?

I'll bet we're talking a Front Engine (5.9 Cummins) 3000. This: 1992 Front Engine Specifications and the floorplans: 1992 Foretravel Front Engine Floorplans

And welcome aboard Chug.

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Reply #4 – April 25, 2012, 11:40:16 am

Thanks for the info Dave M, Dave Head and PatC,

Sounds like the engine will last if you take care of it, which is the case with most things.

I think I will get this Grand Villa, probably next week as I am headed into the heart of Texas for Big 12 Tennis in College Station.

I will post pictures and have lots of questions about the Grand Villa.

First question is I need to get tires first thing, I was looking at
Michelin XZA or GoodYear G670 RV, the GV has 19.5 rims.

I have liked the Michelin's on my pickup truck for the last 20 years and I have heard good things about Goodyear's RV tires.
Is there any other tire brand or style that I should be considering?

Also I read that Michelin has a FMCA Michelin Advantage Program.

I guess I would need to join FMCA and go from there on that, has anyone done this and was the process easy.

I live in Oklahoma, does anybody have a good tire dealer they would recommend in the OKC area for these tires,
T & W TIRE in OKC cares the two tires I have mentioned, anybody have experience with them?

Will that is it for now, any thoughts on tires would be appreciated, I have read post on the forum here about tires so I have
done some research.

Thanks and have a great day.

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Reply #5 – April 25, 2012, 12:02:07 pm

Quote from: CHUG – April 25, 2012, 11:40:16 am

Also I read that Michelin has a FMCA Michelin Advantage Program.

I guess I would need to join FMCA and go from there on that, has anyone done this and was the process easy.

I live in Oklahoma, does anybody have a good tire dealer they would recommend in the OKC area for these tires,

Chug,

I recall this thread with positive comment on TCI in OKC Outstanding service from TCI Tire in OK City

From reading (thanks Peter!), TCI is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Michelin and most should be FMCA Advantage program participants. You do need to work through FMCA as a member for the discounted price; you actually pay FMCA for the tires. Not all Michelin dealers participate in the program so you'll need to check if the one you're considering does.

Good luck with your coach purchase!

Michelle

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Reply #6 – April 25, 2012, 01:28:12 pm

If Toyota or bridgestone has correct size/load range they are fine too

On this age of coach tires represent a significant investment vs total value of Coach, so I would consider price as most important vs. brand

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Reply #7 – April 25, 2012, 08:21:52 pm

Quote from: CHUG – April 25, 2012, 11:40:16 am

I live in Oklahoma, does anybody have a good tire dealer they would recommend in the OKC area for these tires,
T & W TIRE in OKC cares the two tires I have mentioned, anybody have experience with them?

Chug, I have used T & W for years and have had excellent experience and pricing from them. I have not used the FMCA discount but I'm betting you will get better price from T & W on Bridgestones than Michelin's even with the FMCA discount. My Bridgestones worked fins on my 93 U225.

I'm not sure what kind of price the seller is looking for on the 3000 but it is a very rare bird and unless it is exceptionally inexpensive I would look around some more. In my opinion the 190 hp 5.9 Cummins is barely marginal if you intend to pull a car. I would also prefer air or Torsialasitic suspension and a Foretravel chassis rather than the Oshkosh and 22.5" tires if everything else is equal. With all of that said I would still prefer a Foretravel Grand Villa 3000 to some other brand of that vintage. All of the components used in any Foretravel were top notch.

Just my thoughts, FWIW.

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Reply #8 – April 25, 2012, 11:54:51 pm

Thanks for the advice on the tires everyone, I do appreciate it.

Kent, I am just up the road from you in Norman.

Kent, I would like to get the things you described, but with the economy the way it is, I am going to stay within my means and not get over extended, the price of this GV is in the 4 digit zone so I am not breaking the bank to get it. I should be able to get tires, brakes done if they need it and the engine tuned up or what ever they do to diesels to make them run smoothly when I take position.

I like the diesel over a 454 or 460 that some motorhomes have in them from the early 90's, I would like to pull my jeep someday but it needs work and will be a while before it is ready, I do have an old BMW cycle I would like to pull, don't know if that would put much of a load on the 5.9.

It would just be my old dog and I visiting people in the summer time. No family to tote around, also thought this size would be a good starter to see how much I liked the motorhome life style, I have spent a lot of nights in tents and would like something more comfortable these days. Enough rambling for now.

Thanks again everybody for your advice.

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Reply #9 – April 26, 2012, 07:54:34 am

Great points and a well thought out plan of action. If you don't plan on running fully loaded at 70 MPH, you could even price retreaded tires for the rear axle. Quality Bandag retreads on Michelin casings will give great performance if you don't overload the tire and run 70 MPH plus.

No Retreads on Steer axle of course - if you decide to go retreads on tag, pay attention to the date codes on the tires - you don't want casings that are over 4-5 years old when you mount them.

We had fleets we maintained and all used retreads on drive tires, had great luck unless they had a low of flat tire on an axle and one tire was taking the load of two, and the driver didn't notice and went down te road at 70 - 80 MPH until the tire heated up and failed due to those conditions.

I know others on the forum will disagree perhaps, but for a coach that is valued under $10K, this approach makes good sense as long as you pay attention to your tire inflation before you go on the highway for extended periods.

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Reply #10 – April 26, 2012, 08:58:11 am

Chug, i certainly understand the limited budget issue. If you can get any Foretravel for under ten grand that has all of the components working I dont think you can go wrong. I know when I bought my U225 at Ron's there in New Castle I had no idea of the different models available, the differences in the models and their valuues. Just trying to help!!!

Go for it and welcome to the family.

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Reply #11 – April 26, 2012, 04:15:12 pm

The Cummins "B" engine is one of the best out there, especially now with the price of diesel at $4 plus per gallon. UPS uses the 4 cylinder version in a lot of their trucks and Dodge has a huge following with the 5.9 in their PUs. At 190 HP, the engine should run forever even if operating at full throttle pulling a trailer.

For a lot of us, the financial golden years have turned into the tin or zinc years so there is absolutely nothing wrong with looking at recaps or used tires for the rear or any other deals you may come across. A bargain Foretravel can provide years of RV enjoyment without worrying about payments, scratching shiny paint or expensive full coverage insurance. Hope you have as much fun with yours as I have with mine.

Lots of posts on this forum on how to do a big percentage of the maintenance yourself. A good way to keep both the costs and trouble to a minimum.

Good reading on the B engine at: Cummins B Series engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pierce

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Reply #12 – April 26, 2012, 10:07:19 pm

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – April 26, 2012, 04:15:12 pm

The Cummins "B" engine is one of the best out there, especially now with the price of diesel at $4 plus per gallon. UPS uses the 4 cylinder version in a lot of their trucks and Dodge has a huge following with the 5.9 in their PUs. At 190 HP, the engine should run forever even if operating at full throttle pulling a trailer.

For a lot of us, the financial golden years have turned into the tin or zinc years so there is absolutely nothing wrong with looking at recaps or used tires for the rear or any other deals you may come across. A bargain Foretravel can provide years of RV enjoyment without worrying about payments, scratching shiny paint or expensive full coverage insurance. Hope you have as much fun with yours as I have with mine.

Lots of posts on this forum on how to do a big percentage of the maintenance yourself. A good way to keep both the costs and trouble to a minimum.

Good reading on the B engine at: Cummins B Series engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pierce

Good post about a bargain foretravel. Hit home as I stretched to buy a 97 u320 with the red top motor and dual pane windows and aqua hot. Way past my price but I hope the big step saves the intermediate steps I probably would have taken.

Might trade this 40 for the same mid entry u320 red top in a 36 although. Only seen one poster here with that coach and they are in Canada. No front door. Used to the unihomes and oreds. Mine is a unicoach center entry walk through bath floor plan with 100k on the coach.

Bob

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Reply #13 – April 27, 2012, 10:49:47 am

Thanks for the all the info everybody's been giving me, hopefully next week I will have pictures and start working on upgrading the GV.

As I stated earlier I was going to College Station for the Big 12 Tennis Tournament, I am a photographer for the OU Athletic Department and am traveling with the tennis team.

So we get into town and go strait to the tennis courts for practice and this is in the parking lot of the tennis courts.

Did not see anybody around it, maybe I will see somebody today and ask questions.

Very, very nice.

Have a great day everybody.

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Reply #14 – May 11, 2012, 08:33:19 pm

Finally got the Model 3000 bought and home this week. I am very exited to start doing things to it and trying to figure out how everything works.

First thing I need to get for it are tires.

I have a question about tire size, the tires that are on it are R8 19.5, the tires are only 6 inches across the tread. I would like a little more rubber on
the ground.

Goodyear has tire sizes of 225/70R19.5 (F rating) and 245/70R19.5 (F and G rating). From the chart it looks as the 245 is a wider tire. Would
this be ok to get if there is enough clearance.

Bridgestone has 265/70R19.5 which I guess is an even wider tire.

My question is can I get some more rubber under me. The tires that are on it look small and weak even if they where new. I want some meat under me so to speak and I would like the sidewalls to stand up strait like bus tires.

I will talk to the tire guys at T&W tires since they are in the business but thought I would see if there was any advice I could get before I head up to the tire store.

Also, do I need to start a new thread for the Model 3000? I will take pics of the GV and pics of the upgrades as I go along.

Again very excited about my new to me Grand Villa, A friend came by to look at it and we sat in it for 2 hours talking.

Thanks and have a great weekend.

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Reply #15 – May 11, 2012, 08:51:48 pm

Quote from: CHUG – May 11, 2012, 08:33:19 pm

Finally got the Model 3000 bought and home this week. I am very exited to start doing things to it and trying to figure out how everything works.

Also, do I need to start a new thread for the Model 3000? I will take pics of the GV and pics of the upgrades as I go along.

Congrats, Chug!

If you'd like to start new threads as you have specific questions (or bragging

) about individual items that's perfectly fine. You can also add to this thread if you'd like - no hard and fast rules around here

.

I know I enjoy reading upgrade threads over in the Renovations board (before and after photos are always inspiring!), so that would be my one recommendation - post the upgrades on that board so folks can find them easily.

Michelle

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Reply #16 – May 12, 2012, 01:16:46 am

Quote from: CHUG – May 11, 2012, 08:33:19 pm

I have a question about tire size, the tires that are on it are R8 19.5, the tires are only 6 inches across the tread. I would like a little more rubber on
the ground.

Goodyear has tire sizes of 225/70R19.5 (F rating) and 245/70R19.5 (F and G rating). From the chart it looks as the 245 is a wider tire. Would
this be ok to get if there is enough clearance.

Bridgestone has 265/70R19.5 which I guess is an even wider tire.

My question is can I get some more rubber under me. The tires that are on it look small and weak even if they where new. I want some meat under me so to speak and I would like the sidewalls to stand up strait like bus tires.

The proper size tires, as spec'ed by Foretravel, for your GrandVilla 3000 are 8R 19.5. The accepted updated tire size would be the 225/70R19.5 tire. You can not put bigger 245/70R19.5 tire on your rear duals because the rim is two skinny and the two tires will rub together, heat up and blow out. You don't want that! You may not be able to put the 245/70R19.5 tires on the front either as they might rub on something, again causing a blow out. In fact, you best check for clearance if you do end up putting the 225/70R19.5. One thing about the 225/70R19.5 is the fact that the tire is not as tall as the 8R 19.5 tire and if will slightly lower you fuel mileage. But it should help in the road handling area somewhat. The 8R 19.5 can be hard to find, but I would not hesitate to put them on considering all the factors. They are a bit lighter than the metric 225 tire, and as I stated, they are a bit taller. Also, you might find the 8R 19.5 tire to be a bit more reasonable too. When your talking larger tires, the sticker shock can really get you! Shop around for prices!!! What you want to do is make sure you have the proper psi in your tires. To do that you want to weight all four corners of you rig and air them up following the manufacturers weigth/air inflation chart. You can see a example of it at http://www.rvtirepressure.com/assets/images/extrapages/Michelin_Rv_Load_Inflation.pdf. But considering you skinny rims, you also want make sure that the rims will handle the air pressure called for in the chart. Your maximum psi might be limited by your rims. They should be stamped somewhere for the maximum PSI. Oh, forget those 265/70R19.5, cause they will not fit your rims!

And check out the following Michelin pdf: http://www.michelinrvtires.com/assets/pdf/RVTiresBrochure.pdf]

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Reply #17 – May 12, 2012, 08:58:34 am

Chug, The 9R tires are used on almost all UPS Package cars and at times can be hard to find. They are the biggest users of these size tires. Find a big tire dealer in a big city and ask him who is is supplying UPS tires, then check with them, they will have or will know when they can get 9R's. I have had a coach with 19.5's and had no problems except when I did something foolish like using used tires to save money. At least with these you can change them yourself easier than the 22.5's.
Welcome aboard.
Gary B

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Reply #18 – May 13, 2012, 07:56:03 pm

I have a question about the 3000, it has a D-celerator exhaust brake on it. It says it is to assist the brakes and was put on in 1996 so says the receipt.

Is this something that should be taken off or leave it on? Don't know if it is still in working order. I was just going through the books that where 3000 and found the paper work.

I did find the D-celerator switch so it is there.

Also looked under the 3000 at the muffler and it has some weird thing before the muffler, is this part of the D-celeerator?

Last question for now. Can I put a resonator on my little 5.9 cummins?

Thanks everybody hope your having a great Sunday.

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Reply #19 – May 13, 2012, 07:59:06 pm

Sounds like it may be an exhaust brake. Google the part number on that invoice and see what model it is.

A problem COULD be the transmission. Give Allison a call with the model and serial number of the transmission and ask them: Allison help line 800 252 5283.

Brett

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Reply #20 – May 13, 2012, 08:16:41 pm

D-Celerator Diesel Exhaust Brake Operating and Installation Instructions

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Reply #21 – May 13, 2012, 09:31:47 pm

See if you can find that heavy duty exhaust springs were installed. They're needed for max exhaust brake performance. A resonator won't help the 5.9 unless you turn up the pump and install higher flow injectors. If the muffler is rusted you can run a straight pipe.

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Reply #22 – May 13, 2012, 10:32:03 pm

The D-celerator is equal to the PRXB Pac brake. It has a wastegate style bypass to keep the pressure up. They've been around a long time. That is likely the D-celerator you are looking at...

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Reply #23 – May 14, 2012, 10:59:59 pm

I have another question, as I am getting tires and brakes updated I am going to do shocks as well. The people seemed to be pleased with Koni shock.

On the Koni RV site they list these Foretravel model
91-95 Foretravel U225, U-240 w/ velvetride,
96-04 Foretravel U280, U300, U320 and
05- Foretravel Phenix/Nimbus (FSD)

My Model 3000 has shocks and leaf springs and I don't think I have a velvetride. How do I go about finding the right shock for my 3000?

Do I need to call Foretravel? What other ways are there to find out the proper size?

Thanks you everyone who has replied to my questions. There will be many more.

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Reply #24 – May 22, 2012, 06:23:47 pm

More questions for the group.

I went to look in the battery compartment and found 2 car batteries instead of the two huge batteries that where in there.
They where going to put new batteries in it, but 2 interstate batteries can't be enough. I will deal with this issue in
person with them.

In the mean time I was wondering how many cranking amps I needed for the 5.9 Cummins? I have looked in the Operator's Manual
and only see battery care.

I like the Optima battery in my pick up truck and a few here have talked highly of them.

How many do I need and do I need the red top or yellow top for starting the engine?

Has anyone used the blue top in there motorhome for the house batteries, if so how many and I guess that very's on what you want to power in you motorhome.

Pics of the 3000 will be coming soon (although I am sure no one is holding there breath, Ha). Does anybody in the group have a 3000?

Thank you for your advice.

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