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Tag Axle Suspension question

Lazy Sunday - killing time daydreaming about Foretravel coaches we can't afford.  Got to wondering about how the "Tag Axle" suspension works.  I've been under a single axle U320, but I've never seen the underside of a tag axle unit.  I can't visualize how the 2nd axle works - seems like it would be mounted right where the driveshaft goes from transmission to the drive axle.  Looked around in Barry's excellent tech library, but didn't see anything helpful.

SO, does anyone know where I could view a diagram of the Foretravel tag axle rear suspension?  Thanx, in advance...
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #1 –
Found some info on tag axles. Doesn't mention Foretravel, but a good general discussion. I did read that to make clearance for the drive shaft the tag axle has a U shape built into it.

Justifying A Tag Axle On Your Next Coach!

Not All Tag Axles Are Built The Same
Peter and Tammy Fleming
1991 U300 GV 40 - Sold, owned for 4 years
Downsized to Roadtrek Popular 210 class B

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #2 –
Ok, here is a question for the real Foretravel experts: Does the Foretravel tag axle utilize off-loading or self-steering to assist turning?
Peter and Tammy Fleming
1991 U300 GV 40 - Sold, owned for 4 years
Downsized to Roadtrek Popular 210 class B

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #3 –
early models (42 footers) bled the air off the air bags below 5 mph (or reverse). Later models went to lifting tag. The only steering tag RVs I know of are the newer Newells - about the last 8-9 years. You can get an Omel lifting tag kit from Xtreme if you have an older model '42.
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Titusville, FL - The Great Outdoors
'98 270 buying this month
Toad is a 2018 F150 XLT

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #4 –
Peter,
Thanks for the excellent links.  I think they probably answered my question when they mentioned the "U" shaped axel that allows room for the drive shaft.  I would still like to see a diagram of the Foretravel setup - I'm sure somebody on this forum has one.

As to your question, I have seen numerous references (on this forum) to owners of tag axel coaches "lifting the tag" when making tight turns.  How this is actually accomplished, and whether it is done manually or automatically, I will leave to someone more knowledgeable...
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #5 –
You push a button and wait a few seconds as the air releases.
2025 Wanderbox Outpost 32 on F600 Expedition Motorhome
2015 Born Free Royal Splendor on Ford 550 nonslide version  for sale
Former Coaches  covering. 360,000 miles
1999 34 U270
2000 36 U320
2001 42' double slide U320
2018 Jeep Rubicon

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #6 –
I know Country Coaches have "independent" tags where there is no axle between them.  They are also lifting where there is another air spring that raises the wheel off the ground so it doesn't scrub on turns.  Real heavy coaches have steerable tags.  I suspect this might be because the tag carries so much weight that releasing or lifting the tag would put too much weight on the main rear axle - but I'm just guessing.

I have no idea of the configuration on Foretravels besides being off-loading where the air spring is deflated for sharp turns.
John Fitzgerald
1991 U300 (SAI) Side Aisle Island Bed 40'
Detroit 6V92 with Allison Retarder
Meridian (Boise), Idaho

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #7 –
OK ... on our '02 we have what is supposed to be a "releasing" tag, instead of a "lifting" tag.  There is something wrong with it, apparently, because when we use the button that supposedly "releases" it, in a campground with gravel, for instance, it seems to lock the wheels and they just drag instead of rolling.  What is up with that???
Carol & Jeff Savournin
Usta have a '93 U225 36', Usta have a '95 U320 40', Usta have a '02 U320 40'
Usta have a 2006 Born Free, Usta have a 2011 Phoenix Cruiser
Usta have a 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4dr
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life."  Steve Jobs

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #8 –
Carol, that is normal on gravel and dirt.  Ours does the same thing. We use the releasing tag only on very tight turns, such as when I have to turn the beast around on our property! We are 42ft so we are a little heavier than the 40 footers and the release does make a difference when turning! 

Also the new IH-45s have a releasing tag and not a lifting tag. 
Tom & Bill

2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #9 –
Carol that is normal just as Bill or Tom said. Use it mostly on hard surface and not on gravel. It will lock up and when you tap the brake it builds a mound of gravel behind you.
2025 Wanderbox Outpost 32 on F600 Expedition Motorhome
2015 Born Free Royal Splendor on Ford 550 nonslide version  for sale
Former Coaches  covering. 360,000 miles
1999 34 U270
2000 36 U320
2001 42' double slide U320
2018 Jeep Rubicon

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #10 –
I don't think a lifting tag buys you much.  The goal is to move the pivot point forward for a tighter turn.  Either will do that.  Country Coach thought it was one of those features that helped distinguished them from other makes.  I suppose is one of those things that mechanical types think is cool.
John Fitzgerald
1991 U300 (SAI) Side Aisle Island Bed 40'
Detroit 6V92 with Allison Retarder
Meridian (Boise), Idaho

Re: Tag Axle Suspension question

Reply #11 –
Quote from: txforetravel –
Carol, that is normal on gravel and dirt.  Ours does the same thing. We use the releasing tag only on very tight turns, such as when I have to turn the beast around on our property! We are 42ft so we are a little heavier than the 40 footers and the release does make a difference when turning! 

Also the new IH-45s have a releasing tag and not a lifting tag. 

Good to know!!  I thought it was broken!!  Whoo hoo!!  $$$$ saved. 
Carol & Jeff Savournin
Usta have a '93 U225 36', Usta have a '95 U320 40', Usta have a '02 U320 40'
Usta have a 2006 Born Free, Usta have a 2011 Phoenix Cruiser
Usta have a 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4dr
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life."  Steve Jobs