Fresh water tank filling,

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Fresh water tank filling,

September 13, 2013, 12:15:13 am

I have an 89 Grand Villa, 36 ORED.
I have had the hose on it and every thing works,

But I cant find any where to fill the tank, Does the tank fill automatically when a hose is connected,
The book says there is a valve inside some where, But its very Vague on Information,

I cant seem to get into Beam alarm for Barrys Notes, Posted in another post on here, Gravity feed,

All info welcome,

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #1 – September 13, 2013, 12:32:07 am

Quote from: MR B2 – September 13, 2013, 12:15:13 am

I have an 89 Grand Villa, 36 ORED.
I have had the hose on it and every thing works,

But I cant find any where to fill the tank, Does the tank fill automatically when a hose is connected,
The book says there is a valve inside some where, But its very Vague on Information,

I cant seem to get into Beam alarm for Barrys Notes, Posted in another post on here, Gravity feed,
All info welcome,

Water Tank Gravity Fill

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #2 – September 13, 2013, 12:46:27 am

Quote from: MR B2 – September 13, 2013, 12:15:13 am

I have an 89 Grand Villa, 36 ORED.
I have had the hose on it and every thing works,

But I cant find any where to fill the tank, Does the tank fill automatically when a hose is connected,
The book says there is a valve inside some where, But its very Vague on Information,

I cant seem to get into Beam alarm for Barrys Notes, Posted in another post on here, Gravity feed,

All info welcome,

Ah the memories return.

The fill valve is in the wooden platform that the D&P seats mount to. Lift up the carpeted cover at the rear edge of the platform. Inside is the fill valve to the left and the area contains the drain valve for the 75 gallon water tank.

The hole that enters the area from under the drivers seat is fed hot air from the front furnace and keeps the water tank from freezing if the furnace is kept on.

The motoraid hot water heating valve is under the stove in the kitchen. Open the valve and the engine heats the water heater water. No gas needed.

Rear or side radiator?

Bob

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #3 – September 13, 2013, 03:39:55 am

Quote from: Barry Beam – September 13, 2013, 12:32:07 am

Water Tank Gravity Fill

That would be excellent, But I cant even see the tank, Go and have a look see again,

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #4 – September 13, 2013, 04:24:02 am

The members on this Forum never fail to impress me, Which is extremely appreciated,

Barry Just sent me the Gravity feed tank Piccys by email, Top stuff Barry, and Thank You, Just not my model,

Bobs Picked my tank, But going on Barrys Piccys, is that the water over flow, the green one with the mesh on the end,
Can I take that of at the wall and fill up from there,

Its a side radiator, Bob, And that valve under the stove is a brilliant idea, I will go out and have a look for it,

This old Tank is just getting betterer and Betterer,

In the piccy with the air lines, It seems to eject oily air from the fitting, Is there a line thats missing and where does it come from if it is missing a hose, And what exactly is it,

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #5 – September 13, 2013, 06:18:25 am

Yes, the green hose should be the overflow.

The two valves are for fill and drain. To fill hook up the hose to the coach at the service entry, and then open the left valve to allow the water coming into the coach to get into the tank.

The round plastic item on the front wall that has the oily discharge might be the vacuum tank for the needs of the AC dash system blend doors. On my 93 the vacuum pump has that sort of tank, plus a pressure switch, and 12 volt pump.

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #6 – September 13, 2013, 06:56:27 am

Quote from: Dave and Dolly Cobb – September 13, 2013, 06:18:25 am

Yes, the green hose should be the overflow.

The two valves are for fill and drain. To fill hook up the hose to the coach at the service entry, and then open the left valve to allow the water coming into the coach to get into the tank.

The round plastic item on the front wall that has the oily discharge might be the vacuum tank for the needs of the AC dash system blend doors. On my 93 the vacuum pump has that sort of tank, plus a pressure switch, and 12 volt pump.

Hook up the mains to the bus, Then open the left valve and fill the tank till the water comes out the over flow,

Close the valve on the left again, Turn off mains,

Do I have that right,

That piccy of the round plastic thingy, Is very poor, so I will take another piccy and put it up,

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #7 – September 13, 2013, 07:00:43 am

Quote from: Caflashbob – September 13, 2013, 12:46:27 am

Ah the memories return.

The fill valve is in the wooden platform that the D&P seats mount to. Lift up the carpeted cover at the rear edge of the platform. Inside is the fill valve to the left and the area contains the drain valve for the 75 gallon water tank.

The hole that enters the area from under the drivers seat is fed hot air from the front furnace and keeps the water tank from freezing if the furnace is kept on.

The motoraid hot water heating valve is under the stove in the kitchen. Open the valve and the engine heats the water heater water. No gas needed.

Rear or side radiator?

Bob

Sorry, Could not find that one, The valve under the stove, I will look and see if any hot water hoses come off the engine and run back through the bus,

Still good to know,

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #8 – September 13, 2013, 07:02:07 am

Yes, you seem to have it correct, fill and have onboard water. We tend to fill our tank and then use the 12 volt pump for our needs. Only when we are staying a while will be use park water and then I will leave the grey tank valve open as well.

You can watch the tank gauge as it fills, and you should be able to hear the water splashing into the tank.

My old overflow green, painted black, plastic hose was brittle and broke off, be very careful. The screen over the end keeps things from crawling into the tank. I also made sure the overflow hose did not run water down the coach wall, it spills onto the ground, missing the coach parts.

Your photo of the vacuum tank shows the metal pressure switch. Not sure why you have oil on the wall. I replaced my vacuum pump when I realized it did not shut off, and sounded like someone beating a hammer on a anvil. We tested the switch, and the tank, both worked. The pump was running all the time to maintain the dash vacuum for the blend doors of the dash heating and cooling system.

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #9 – September 13, 2013, 11:52:54 am

Quote from: MR B2 – September 13, 2013, 04:24:02 am

The members on this Forum never fail to impress me, Which is extremely appreciated,

Barry Just sent me the Gravity feed tank Piccys by email, Top stuff Barry, and Thank You, Just not my model,

Bobs Picked my tank, But going on Barrys Piccys, is that the water over flow, the green one with the mesh on the end,
Can I take that of at the wall and fill up from there,

Its a side radiator, Bob, And that valve under the stove is a brilliant idea, I will go out and have a look for it,

This old Tank is just getting betterer and Betterer,

In the piccy with the air lines, It seems to eject oily air from the fitting, Is there a line thats missing and where does it come from if it is missing a hose, And what exactly is it,

Yes, I outfitted a pressure fill hookup in the grille area for Chet Otting's duplicate to your coach.

Seperate from the overflow hose for pressure venting

Bob

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #10 – September 13, 2013, 12:17:56 pm

Quote from: MR B2 – September 13, 2013, 07:00:43 am

Sorry, Could not find that one, The valve under the stove, I will look and see if any hot water hoses come off the engine and run back through the bus,

Still good to know,

On the floor inside the tambour door is where its at.

The tank drain valve picture brought back a story. Driving too fast through Los Angeles one time I looked at the rear cameras picture on the front TV and noticed a motorcycle police man tucked right up against my rear bumper where he was not visible in my mirrors.

The camera was so small he must not have noticed the coach had one.

Got tired of him waiting for me to go over the limit that I turned on the coach water pump and reached down and opened the tank drain valve in the well area.

Instantly he backed off and switched lanes. Lots of unknown water on his bike.....

I still am chuckling thinking about that one.

Coach went 60 mph in third. Giant hills I,would downshift the coach right at that speed and use the hp part of the power and rev the car to 2800 rpm or higher.

Bet that ones never been broken in.

Most would not rev past 2,800. After three thousand of my harder miles all revved almost to 3,000 rpm and right at 90mph.

10mpg at normal speeds. 8mpg wide open for hours.

Replace the engines belts and learn to tension them correctly. 15-20k miles on engine belts seems to be my memory.

10r22.5 tires were stock new and the bigger diameter picked up the speeds and rode better.

Shocks were too soft. Used the switch the 250 rear radiator shocks which were too stiff with the 300's that were too soft. Perfect.

Check the ride height valves for consistent return to std height.

Drop the air bags. Reinflate the chassis, measure at all four corners.

Do it several times.

Notice the steering wheel unwinding? If the valves do not return the coach to the same exact height every time the front end is steering the coach off line.

Noticeable in dips. Coach goes right at the bottom and as it comes out of the dip goes left a bit.

Soft shocks made the steering wallow much worse in the rolling dips. Your mention of the smooth ride brought back some thoughts.

Just hold on and it normally ends up straight again. Versus steer it constantly through the dips.

Steering box mounted on the frame with a short rod is why.

Chassis had to drive off the transporter from Oshkosh.

Unihome steering box is low mounted and built on site with a long drag link mounted parallel to the suspensions locating arms.

Toyo tires worked well on those.

Bob

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #11 – September 13, 2013, 10:06:30 pm

Brian ---- The hot water tank heating and bypass valves on our 91ORED are under the sink on the forward side, bottom area, and access is thru a hole cut in the side of the cabinet. Not obvious on our coach! You may have to look around though as it seems they all vary a little. Have fun and have a great day ---- Fritz

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #12 – September 13, 2013, 10:19:55 pm

The metal part that has the oily discharge from it is the vacuum generator which is powered from the air system of the coach. It uses air going through a venture to make a vacuum. I don't know why there would be any oily discharge, but might try draining the air tanks to make sure no oil comes from them. If you get oil from your air tanks would probably mean a bad compressor.

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #13 – September 14, 2013, 11:26:01 am

on my 88 ORED
MAX front heat valve are
Under the stove hidden by a carpeted panel

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #14 – September 15, 2013, 12:10:42 am

Quote from: fkjohns6083 – September 13, 2013, 10:06:30 pm

Brian ---- The hot water tank heating and bypass valves on our 91ORED are under the sink on the forward side, bottom area, and access is thru a hole cut in the side of the cabinet. Not obvious on our coach! You may have to look around though as it seems they all vary a little. Have fun and have a great day ---- Fritz

I found that one, Little round hole under the ice maker, Front side under the sink, Only one valve tho,

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #15 – September 15, 2013, 12:39:23 am

Sorry, Tambour door, Not with that term, What does it mean,

I do have a electric water pump and valves under the lounge, Beside the Coach heater, I will check under the carpet for the valves,

This is the new steering box I remade to pass the roadworthy here, I am Certified to do this work, Engineering Blacksmith, Boilermaker, DLI Welder,

The Drag link had been heated to bend it as it was too long for this vehicle, By the conversion people, My mechanic and the Engineer both stated quite clearly, No Bloody way that thing will be passed, Its been stretched in the bending process, and because it has the bends, (Joggle in it ) It will crush up if you hit a gutter and turn the steering wheel,

So I had a new Drag link Engineered and manufactured for my Coach, It also has ball joints each end now,

The new balls joints are Ford and can be bought off the shelf any where, The links have also been machined for the bigger ball joints,

My front end is now virtually indestructible,

Do it once, Do it right, Then forget about it, You will have years of fun before it ever gives you trouble again,

Or, Do it cheap and nasty, Your Pride and Joy will turn into a Joyless Disaster, And a money pit that you cant fill,

Thank you all for your very appreciated help,

Have a nice day, I am stoked,

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #16 – September 15, 2013, 10:44:46 am

Quote from: MR B2 – September 15, 2013, 12:39:23 am

Sorry, Tambour door, Not with that term, What does it mean,

Tambour is the style of wood doors that can roll into the cabinet, like on a roll top desk. Foretravel made use that type of wood/fabric to make doors till the supply ended, in about 1996. From those years on, Foretravel used raised panel doors. We love the look of the tambour, like solid wood when the doors are closed.

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #17 – September 15, 2013, 04:52:51 pm

I wonder if the overfill could be used as an emergency fill?

Put on a vented fill cap?

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #18 – September 15, 2013, 04:58:56 pm

I installed a 12V pump and a t-fitting to the overflow tube. This tube is also the breather tube so the tank doesn't have to expand & contract when water is added or removed. I have to let the tank "burp" the air out during a fill with the 12V pump. Otherwise it works great.

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #19 – September 15, 2013, 05:22:31 pm

Great.. !

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #20 – September 15, 2013, 07:18:57 pm

Another solution, particularly if having a spare fresh water pump is desired:

Mount a fresh water pump on a piece of FG, plastic or even wood. Install 5' of hose with female hose end on inlet and 5' of hose with male end on outlet. Wire to cigarette lighter plug with outlet in basement. Now, just fill through regular inlet-- been there, done that.

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #21 – September 16, 2013, 12:54:15 am

Quote from: Dave and Dolly Cobb – September 15, 2013, 10:44:46 am

Tambour is the style of wood doors that can roll into the cabinet, like on a roll top desk. Foretravel made use that type of wood/fabric to make doors till the supply ended, in about 1996. From those years on, Foretravel used raised panel doors. We love the look of the tambour, like solid wood when the doors are closed.

My Coach is full of Tambour Doors, Love them, I never knew they were called that, Roller doors on their sides, Sliding doors, Etc,

I can be a Snob now, Check out my (TAMBOUR DOORS), Hahahahahaha And point them out with Fluttering fingers, Hahahahahaha,

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #22 – September 16, 2013, 01:17:22 am

No taps any where, All the carpet is glued down solidly,
The heater at the front of the bus, The passenger side on yours, Is connected to the Motor at the back of the bus,
But no taps any where in the line I have seen so far,
Its pouring rain here and I am not crawling under the bus in the slop, So it will take a while, I will work on the gas lines instead, I have one fitting to find and install and the gas is up and running, Hopefully,

With the Big gas tank out and the Genny out, The lounge is out too, The front is sitting right up in the air,

Mine is also registered to carry Five people seated, I thought I was going to get stuck with a two seater,

This certainly a good way to learn about my bus, All the suggestions, opens my mind to whats in it,

Keep them coming, Just this thread, Taps, Valves, Hoses, Tanks, Filling, Things I would probably never know they were in it,
Reading the Various threads on here, WOW, has my Bus got that, I go out and look for it, Most cases it has,

This Bus is just Mind Boggling on its contents,

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #23 – September 16, 2013, 09:18:23 am

The 'Max Front Heat' valve .
What happens when it's open ?
What happens when it's closed ?
Thanks..........~JL~

Re: Fresh water tank filling,

Reply #24 – September 16, 2013, 11:22:16 am

Quote from: Johnnie & Susan Laird – September 16, 2013, 09:18:23 am

The 'Max Front Heat' valve .
What happens when it's open ?
What happens when it's closed ?
Thanks..........~JL~

Its the shutoff for the additional water from the engine to the propane hot water heater. You can turn off the propane part and have hot water after a drive with the valve open.

B2's coach should have a small valve under the kitchen counter that is normally open.

Bob

Bob

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