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First time buyers (split from Re: Build sheet)

I would love to consider and older Foretravel unit. I just need to get my wife onboard with that. :)

Almost all first time buyers buy: floorplan, fabrics, paint and a engine and frame. They are all the same aren't they?

Second time its floorplan, engine and frame and fabrics and paint.

Third time its the coaches construction and its reliability and is it noisy driving and how's its insulation and factory support.  Oh and the floorplan and fabrics maybe.

Fourth time they buy a Foretravel that they can find then change the fabrics and furniture and paint the coach the color they like and live happily ever after.  And drive the coach 300k miles. And have a grin ear to ear from being so smart
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #1
Almost all first time buyers buy: floorplan, fabrics, paint and a engine and frame. They are all the same aren't they?

Second time its floorplan, engine and frame and fabrics and paint.

Third time its the coaches construction and its reliability and is it noisy driving and how's its insulation and factory support.  Oh and the floorplan and fabrics maybe.

Fourth time they buy a Foretravel that they can find then change the fabrics and furniture and paint the coach the color they like and live happily ever after.  And drive the coach 300k miles. And have a grin ear to ear from being so smart
That sounds about right. The only problem is that I don't figure there are too many more purchases ahead of me, so I'd like to get it right the first time when it comes to buying a MH. :)  I have, at least, planted the FT brand name in her mind. :D
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

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Reply #2
That sounds about right. The only problem is that I don't figure there are too many more purchases ahead of me, so I'd like to get it right the first time when it comes to buying a MH. :)  I have, at least, planted the FT brand name in her mind. :D

Before 97 the walnut wood paneling walls makes the coach feel smaller from being dark.

A unihome flat floors feel more residential.  Depending on an individual's personal hygiene requirements and the number of people to use the coach at the same time a walk bath floorplan might be a good start. 

Have her visualize different fabrics, flooring and maybe furniture.

Young folks are better at putting imagined pieces together.  For the senior customers it was much better to show them a finished modded coach.  Used to show customers coaches in for service with the owners permission to show what could be done.
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #3
Before 97 the walnut wood paneling walls makes the coach feel smaller from being dark.
I've noticed that on some of the coaches I've seen online.

A unihome flat floors feel more residential.  Depending on an individual's personal hygiene requirements and the number of people to use the coach at the same time a walk bath floorplan might be a good start. 

Have her visualize different fabrics, flooring and maybe furniture.

Young folks are better at putting imagined pieces together.  For the senior customers it was much better to show them a finished modded coach.  Used to show customers coaches in for service with the owners permission to show what could be done.
I think I may have her watch some of the YouTube videos with me as a start. Hopefully, she'll the same things I see in them. If we're lucky, at some point we may see an actual unit within driving distance that we can look at as we get closer to our buying window. Thanks.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

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Reply #4
Before 97 the walnut wood paneling walls makes the coach feel smaller from being dark.

It may seem that way to some (and perhaps many) people--but not to me. The walnut walls and tambour upper cabinet doors on or 1995 U320 give it a "rich, warm feel," and the wallpaper walls and flip-up doors on the newer coaches give them (to me, at least) a "cheaper" feel.
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

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It may seem that way to some (and perhaps many) people--but not to me. The walnut walls and tambour upper cabinet doors on or 1995 U320 give it a "rich, warm feel," and the wallpaper walls and flip-up doors on the newer coaches give them (to me, at least) a "cheaper" feel.

I agree totally but we are trying to bring a new member into the flock.  I have watched ad thousand faces of customers walking into coaches. You have 30 seconds to form a first impression.  If its negative it can take 30 hours to overcome it. 
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

wood color

Reply #6
It may seem that way to some (and perhaps many) people--but not to me. The walnut walls and tambour upper cabinet doors on or 1995 U320 give it a "rich, warm feel," and the wallpaper walls and flip-up doors on the newer coaches give them (to me, at least) a "cheaper" feel.
I don't think I would mind the darker wood, but having heard my wife talk about some of the coaches we've been in with darker finishes tells me she would not be on board. I figure I will have enough trouble getting her to consider a coach that "old" because she feels there might be more problems than we can deal with. On the other hand, after looking at some of the pictures and videos of some of the 1997-2002 Foretravels, I would be hard pressed to say they looked "old," even if I saw one parked next to a brand new Newmar or Winnebago.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

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Reply #7
I don't think I would mind the darker wood, but having heard my wife talk about some of the coaches we've been in with darker finishes tells me she would not be on board. I figure I will have enough trouble getting her to consider a coach that "old" because she feels there might be more problems than we can deal with. On the other hand, after looking at some of the pictures and videos of some of the 1997-2002 Foretravels, I would be hard pressed to say they looked "old," even if I saw one parked next to a brand new Newmar or Winnebago.

Probably why the u270 is in oak.  Lighter inside.  Brings the mood up. 

Newer is prettier and has slide outs in the SOB's. 
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #8
We love the oak in our coach! I personally like dark woods as well, but my better half feels it makes things too dark in the confines of the coach. I am fine with that and agree that the light oak makes the inside look bigger, as does the horizontal layout of our bamboo flooring. The previous (original owners of our coach) must have felt the same way because they traded up for a maple cabinet 2005 U295, which I have yet to see in a Foretravel in person. Still, I love the working properties of oak. I never understood why some (SOB) coaches stain the oak dark or go for the glossy polyurethane finish. I like the hand rubbed subtle sheen of our wood, which is very forgiving of marks and easy to rejuvenate as needed. I know Beaver used to be renowned for their glossy cabinetry, but it never really appealed to me... different strokes...
Don
Probably why the u270 is in oak.  Lighter inside.  Brings the mood up. 

Newer is prettier and has slide outs in the SOB's.
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1999 U270 3602 WTFE #5402
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Interesting discussion.  We have walnut in our coach and in the past have felt the coach interior was darker than we would have liked (but we bought used, so no choice there).  Over the years we have replaced some of the fabric items (slide surround, valences, seating coverings).  Surprisingly, going with darker seating colors and lighter valance colors and switching to stainless appliances (from the black microwave and wood-paneled fridge) have really made the walnut appear lighter and warmer (we have fabrics with a light golden cream color now, rather than the original dark charcoal grey).  I think in particular the lighter valences bring the light "higher" up, giving a more open feeling.  Very unexpected is going with a brown (Ultraleather Brisa in Bridle) for the front seats and dinette replacing the original almond putty-ish color did not darken the coach but instead made those seats blend better with the walnut wood and making the coach feel more open and spacious.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

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Reply #10
Color us "Pecan" ^.^d

Our 88 was walnut, this is lighter but still warm. Agree with stainless, lighter valances and accent colors for furniture.
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Reply #11
Love the walnut. Has a nice intimate feeling, especially in low light. Now trying to figure out an attractive dog resistive fabric for the sofa.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
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Reply #12
Interesting discussion.  We have walnut in our coach and in the past have felt the coach interior was darker than we would have liked (but we bought used, so no choice there).  Over the years we have replaced some of the fabric items (slide surround, valences, seating coverings).  Surprisingly, going with darker seating colors and lighter valance colors and switching to stainless appliances (from the black microwave and wood-paneled fridge) have really made the walnut appear lighter and warmer (we have fabrics with a light golden cream color now, rather than the original dark charcoal grey).  I think in particular the lighter valences bring the light "higher" up, giving a more open feeling.  Very unexpected is going with a brown (Ultraleather Brisa in Bridle) for the front seats and dinette replacing the original almond putty-ish color did not darken the coach but instead made those seats blend better with the walnut wood and making the coach feel more open and spacious.

Completely agree on the feeling of lightness one gets with oak, but also with upgrading the darker wood coaches with lighter window treatments.    Was very happy that my coach came in oak, seems the older I get the more light I want, oak seems warmer, lighter, less formal, more uplifting. 

Also intend to ditch the carpet (except for the bedroom) & put in lighter color flooring.  The leather is a very pale peach color, not beige, really unusual but actually pretty easy to work with for decorating.  I also like the idea of upgrading to stainless appliances down the road apiece to further bring the light in. 


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Ours is cherry and we like it a lot. It was a major factor in our choice as was the SouthWest looking fabric that was an option in 2001.

I do a lot of woodworking and my favorite wood is quarter sawn white oak followed by cherry and birch.  Walnut is a beautiful wood, works easily and finishes well.  I have 100 bd ft in my stock.

Almost everything can be changed.  Not easily done with all of the woodwork in our Foretravels.

Roger
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Love the walnut. Has a nice intimate feeling, especially in low light. Now trying to figure out an attractive dog resistive fabric for the sofa.

Pierce

The walnut fades and becomes lighter.  Used to drop the hide-a-bed sofa in a used Foretravel to show the dark wall behind the sofa. 

All of our walnut coaches were darker new.  Beautiful aged....
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #15
That sounds about right. The only problem is that I don't figure there are too many more purchases ahead of me, so I'd like to get it right the first time when it comes to buying a MH. :)  I have, at least, planted the FT brand name in her mind. :D
Donna and I had looked at soooo many pre-owned motorhomes we were getting pretty weary.  Our favorite place to look was PPL motorhomes in Houston because they had soooo many to look at.  The one motorhome that sold Donna that maybe we should look at a Foretravel was a late 80's maybe Grand Villa we saw at PPL.  It was not in the best of condition but, what sold her was although she was somewhat put off by the decor, she noticed that all the cabinet doors and drawers and the shower door all opened and closed without binding and latched properly....something most of the 5 to 10 year old sob's we looked at could not claim.  The interior was intact without cracks at seams and joints.  So maybe look at lots of sob's the age you are looking for and then look at a Foretravel...maybe one twice as old!
Good luck in your search.
Bill and Joyce, The House2 and Dashboard Pig III
2000 U320 4210 CAI (The House2)
Build # 5733
2019 F150 King Ranch FX4

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Donna and I had looked at soooo many pre-owned motorhomes we were getting pretty weary.  Our favorite place to look was PPL motorhomes in Houston because they had soooo many to look at.  The one motorhome that sold Donna that maybe we should look at a Foretravel was a late 80's maybe Grand Villa we saw at PPL.  It was not in the best of condition but, what sold her was although she was somewhat put off by the decor, she noticed that all the cabinet doors and drawers and the shower door all opened and closed without binding and latched properly....something most of the 5 to 10 year old sob's we looked at could not claim.  The interior was intact without cracks at seams and joints.  So maybe look at lots of sob's the age you are looking for and then look at a Foretravel...maybe one twice as old!
Good luck in your search.
Thanks for the added insight! On another forum, I read through reams of posts from people who had worked to restore an older coach. That planted the initial bug. When I mentioned my mechanical abilities (or lack thereof), someone on that forum suggested that an ideal older coach for me to consider would be a 1997-2001 Foretravel. That took me to FOT and MOT where I saw some in that timeframe that fell within what I believe our budget will be in a couple of years. That brought me here. I'd say the rest is history, but we haven't bought our Foretravel . . . yet. :D
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

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Walt, the right coach is out there, and you'll find it when the time is right. The best plan seems to be to decide exactly what you need, want, and can afford. Do your research on floor plans and whatever else fits your circumstances. Remember that there are only so many ways to arrange the interior of a box, so you can check out a floor plan in a coach that you wouldn't otherwise consider. If you can find more than one plan that will work for you you have increased your chances of finding the right coach faster.

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Reply #18
Walt, the right coach is out there, and you'll find it when the time is right. The best plan seems to be to decide exactly what you need, want, and can afford. Do your research on floor plans and whatever else fits your circumstances. Remember that there are only so many ways to arrange the interior of a box, so you can check out a floor plan in a coach that you wouldn't otherwise consider. If you can find more than one plan that will work for you you have increased your chances of finding the right coach faster.
Very true. I also think I may be able to see possibilities and potential where my wife may not. She has told me she is not very good at visualizing what she can't actually see. Maybe I can help her see those things when the time comes. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

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Walt, the DW was adamant that she wanted the lighter wood, but after looking as several with the walnut she has changed her mind. If the interior windows are lightened, all the better.

Larry
Larry Warren
1996  U320 36' SBID "Lola" sold 2020
Build #4970
Motorcade #18318

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Reply #20
Walt, the DW was adamant that she wanted the lighter wood, but after looking as several with the walnut she has changed her mind. If the interior windows are lightened, all the better.

Larry
My wife has trouble visually what she cannot see, so she would have to actually see such a coach with the lightened window treatments for me to have any hope of convincing her. Hmmm . . . maybe I could sell her on the idea that it would be a luxury cabin on wheels. :D
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

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 Why don't you check out the member map and see who is fairly close to you in Colorado etc that has a GV then do a day drive to see it(after calling and arranging it of course).
Johnh
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
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2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
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Reply #22
Why don't you check out the member map and see who is fairly close to you in Colorado etc that has a GV then do a day drive to see it(after calling and arranging it of course).
Johnh
A good idea, although I'm not sure a drive to Colorado from Boise would be a day drive for us. :) Still, it is something to think about. And looking at the member map is a good idea. Thanks.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

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Reply #23
Walt, JohnFitz is in Boise. He has a 1991 U300, similar to ours, so you will be seeing a lot of walnut.

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Reply #24
Walt, JohnFitz is in Boise. He has a 1991 U300, similar to ours, so you will be seeing a lot of walnut.
I think I saw that. May have to see if he'd be willing to show his coach and, just as important, whether my wife would be willing to look at a 1991 model. Age discrimination, I know, :D but I think she is concerned about reliability and maintenance issues. I don't blame her. I just need to get her to see that not all older coaches are created equal. I'll have to work on wearing her down somehow. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW