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Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #25
It looks as if it's a very nice coach. However, I think the price is perhaps $10,000 too high. There are a number of bargains out there, but this one--even though it's nice--doesn't strike me as a bargain.
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #26
Wealth, offer them $ 55,000 as a starting price and work from there. Nothing to loose.
  Richard B.
Richard & Betty Bark & Keiko our Golden Doodle
2003 U320T 3820 PBDS
Build # 6215
MC # 16926
2016 Chevrolet Colorado 4X4 diesel

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #27
It looks as if it's a very nice coach. However, I think the price is perhaps $10,000 too high. There are a number of bargains out there, but this one--even though it's nice--doesn't strike me as a bargain.
I kind of thought it was a bit high and wanted some other more experienced voices to weigh in. Thanks.

The price makes it a bit easier to watch this one go to someone else. (The timing isn't quite right for us, and I couldn't convince DW otherwise.) DW was a bit concerned about what she thought was a lack of interior storage in the bedroom since there aren't any slides. (On the up side, I did finally get her to look at a couple of the MOT videos. So the seed has been planted.) If I can somehow get her in a coach of the same vintage as this one I might be able to change her mind. She hasn't completely ruled out no slides, but she said it would be a tough sell.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #28
Walt, you get more storage with no slides.
Richard & Betty Bark & Keiko our Golden Doodle
2003 U320T 3820 PBDS
Build # 6215
MC # 16926
2016 Chevrolet Colorado 4X4 diesel

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #29
Walt, you get more storage with no slides.

You sure do!  With a bedroom slide, you loose the side wall cabinets, and the rear cabinets are not as deep, fore and aft.  You also loose the corner triangle cabinet with mirrored top cabinet some use for makeup, and lower double door cabinet and the narrow counter top.
Dave Cobb
Buckhorn Lake Resort The Club, #6202, Kerrville TX
check the map.  I do rent it out when I am traveling!
2001, U320, 36' #5887, in Kerrville, FT Club #17006, (7/23 to present)
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L, Summit, white
EX: 98 U295, 36' #5219, (mid door), (4/13-10/23)
EX: 93 U225, 36' (4/11 to 4/13)

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #30
You sure do!  With a bedroom slide, you loose the side wall cabinets, and the rear cabinets are not as deep, fore and aft.  You also loose the corner triangle cabinet with mirrored top cabinet some use for makeup, and lower double door cabinet and the narrow counter top.
You're preaching to the choir here. :) I like the layouts of the no-slide coaches I've seen much better. I think she's also concerned about a perceived lack of interior space in no-slide models. Now, if I get her into a no-slide model, and she doesn't think there's enough interior storage in the bedroom area, I may have difficulty convincing her that a FT is the way to go. When the time comes to full-time, I think i could probably be happy in anything on wheels (within reason), but more and more I feel I'd be happiest in an FT.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #31
Just to mention.....I may prefer the no slide to avoid the threat of a bladder failure, but having a slide does not mean that you must have a bedroom slide!  We had both coach designs.....one with two slides, including the bedroom, and now a one slide coach (LR) with none in BR.  The one slide is not an option for DW.

Just saying it is an alternative to have only one slide, in some years.  We do not suffer at all from a lack of storage, but like a gas, we could fill it all!

mike
Mike
2001 U320 4010 Build 5878 (Gus)
Wrangle Unlimited Toad
Nacogdoches

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #32
The front lift up table in the 99 270 is a travco table.  Foretravel had the drop leafs
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
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2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #33
DW was a bit concerned about what she thought was a lack of interior storage in the bedroom since there aren't any slides. (On the up side, I did finally get her to look at a couple of the MOT videos. So the seed has been planted.) If I can somehow get her in a coach of the same vintage as this one I might be able to change her mind. She hasn't completely ruled out no slides, but she said it would be a tough sell.

If you want the maximum storage space, then I recommend you try to find a 40 ft no-tag-axle, no-slide, no-separate-room-for-the-toilet coach such as our 1995 U320. It has a tremendous amount of storage space (both inside and in the basement) and none of the hassles associated with a slide. For us, it seems to be the perfect coach.
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #34
Late to post on this one but just realized this is my old coach.  I did the paint at extreme and extreme did the headlights.  New led tv and antenna.  Previous owner did the seats.  I think they came from Red Bay tiffin product as the previous owner lived in NC.  Great coach and had minor issues with it as it was almost maintenance free for us.  Have to say we sold it to get more room.  36 and no slides get mighty small for 3 to 4 people.  We love the 40 295 and 2 slides we have now and would not go back. The asking price is more than we got when we sold it so hang in there on the price, there should be room to negotiate but I do not know what the owner after me did to improve the coach.  Looks the same.  Really a nice coach and the outside paint (no white painted, that's original) is just like new. The headlights are worth every penny (miss them). 36 is easy to drive.  Questions just ask.  DAN
Dan & Shirley Stansel
2002 U295 4020 AGDS Build#6054
Towing Buick Enclave & M &  G Braking
Emerald Bay, Lake Palestine, Texas
MC# 16650

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #35
If you want the maximum storage space, then I recommend you try to find a 40 ft no-tag-axle, no-slide, no-separate-room-for-the-toilet coach such as our 1995 U320. It has a tremendous amount of storage space (both inside and in the basement) and none of the hassles associated with a slide. For us, it seems to be the perfect coach.
I could be tempted by a 40-foot coach, but DW says no. She won't even consider 38-feet at this point; she says it's too long. While showing her a couple of MOT videos last night, I thought she was going to say 36-feet is too long, and if the 36-foot models are much over 36-feet, she will.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #36
Late to post on this one but just realized this is my old coach.  I did the paint at extreme and extreme did the headlights.  New led tv and antenna.  Previous owner did the seats.  I think they came from Red Bay tiffin product as the previous owner lived in NC.  Great coach and had minor issues with it as it was almost maintenance free for us.  Have to say we sold it to get more room.  36 and no slides get mighty small for 3 to 4 people.  We love the 40 295 and 2 slides we have now and would not go back. The asking price is more than we got when we sold it so hang in there on the price, there should be room to negotiate but I do not know what the owner after me did to improve the coach.  Looks the same.  Really a nice coach and the outside paint (no white painted, that's original) is just like new. The headlights are worth every penny (miss them). 36 is easy to drive.  Questions just ask.  DAN
It would likely be just the two of us, except for the occasional trip with our autistic 18-year old son. It is a great looking coach, but I think I need to do some more work on my wife before we are ready to take the plunge. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #37
quite firm in opinion for someone who hasn't been in one or seen one live. Â The joys of matrimony...

Good luck Walt, it looks like you will need it!
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Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #38
It does take more room to turn the 40 but after you have it for a while driving the 40 over the 36 is all the same.  Get what you want and need the first time for its costly to trade up.  Just enjoy whatever you get.  Sometimes, part of the fun is the hunt. 
Dan & Shirley Stansel
2002 U295 4020 AGDS Build#6054
Towing Buick Enclave & M &  G Braking
Emerald Bay, Lake Palestine, Texas
MC# 16650

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #39
Walt,

Since I'll be doing the driving, I want a 42' with slides.  I actually wouldn't mind a 45', but I think I would have to go to a newer FT like the Phenix.  DW has no problem with that.  Her main issue is price and not sinking a ton a money into a depreciating asset.  Now, should I die somewhere on the highway, she'd call a cab and send the FT to the auction. 

I think the advantage of 36' is simply getting into some NPs; however, we plan to full-time and I'm not sure if that would be too cozy for us for the next few years, especially without any slides, but I'd like to hear from those of you who have full-timed in a 36'.

The other question is how much to set aside for "upgrades" on a used coach in the late 90s' or early '00s?  What has been your experience from purchasing a coach at around $100-200K that's a 2001-2008 and how much money did you put into it to add some of today's technogolies, i.e., HDTV, Aqua Hot, RR w/inveter-batts, etc.?
Carpe' Diem!
Tim & Cindy

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #40
quite firm in opinion for someone who hasn't been in one or seen one live. Â The joys of matrimony...

Good luck Walt, it looks like you will need it!
She can be very firm once she's made her mind up. Her opinion on length is based on seeing other coaches of 40-feet. Since length is pretty much the same regardless of brand, I don't think I'll be able to shake her on that one.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #41
It does take more room to turn the 40 but after you have it for a while driving the 40 over the 36 is all the same.  Get what you want and need the first time for its costly to trade up.  Just enjoy whatever you get.  Sometimes, part of the fun is the hunt.
I understand. I think we really have one shot at this, and I'd like to get it right.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #42
 It is MHO that  (again) before you do any more soul searching on what to add/delete etc etc etc with the FT brand of coach's both of you together should spend the next 12 months actually visiting many units for sale and make a simple spread sheet on likes and dislikes. This alone will answer many of your problems then after all thatyou will see why this group of people prefer the make we have.
I spent around 4 yrs looking looking while enjoying the class D van (and totally rebuilding that one too) then a C we had. I knew I wanted to move up a touch and looked at all makes. One evening while in Yuma we saw a coach I did not know existed (FT) and just had 5 mins to walk thru it before the guy closed up. That did it for me and the hunt  THEN was on for a FT I could afford. I did not waste any energy prior to that on a particular brand, just getting to know the ins and outs of all of them.
I suggest you both attack it in a similar fashion seeing there is a bit of "difference of opinion" as I read between the lines.
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
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ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
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Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #43
Walt,

Since I'll be doing the driving, I want a 42' with slides.  I actually wouldn't mind a 45', but I think I would have to go to a newer FT like the Phenix.  DW has no problem with that.  Her main issue is price and not sinking a ton a money into a depreciating asset.  Now, should I die somewhere on the highway, she'd call a cab and send the FT to the auction. 

I think the advantage of 36' is simply getting into some NPs; however, we plan to full-time and I'm not sure if that would be too cozy for us for the next few years, especially without any slides, but I'd like to hear from those of you who have full-timed in a 36'.

The other question is how much to set aside for "upgrades" on a used coach in the late 90s' or early '00s?  What has been your experience from purchasing a coach at around $100-200K that's a 2001-2008 and how much money did you put into it to add some of today's technogolies, i.e., HDTV, Aqua Hot, RR w/inveter-batts, etc.?
When we buy, it will be our first coach. We currently have a fifth wheel. We've had to put some money into repairs but have not done any upgrades to it.

We also would be using this coach to full-time in once we are able to do that and as a getaway coach prior to that. I have read elsewhere on the forum that budgeting 10-15% of the purchase price for repairs and upgrades the first year is wise (the newer the coach, the lower the percentage as I read it) and maybe 5% a year after that for repairs and maintenance (if I remember correctly).

I do know that people successfully full-time in RVs of varying types and lengths. We hope to do some boondocking, some Forest Service campgrounds, some state and national parks and the like, and probably stay away from private RV parks as much as possible. All of that would seem to make the 36-foot length as long as we would be comfortable with. For the moment, at least, that's as long as my wife is comfortable with.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #44
Walt,

Since I'll be doing the driving, I want a 42' with slides.  I actually wouldn't mind a 45', but I think I would have to go to a newer FT like the Phenix.  DW has no problem with that.  Her main issue is price and not sinking a ton a money into a depreciating asset.  Now, should I die somewhere on the highway, she'd call a cab and send the FT to the auction. 

purchasing a coach at around $100-200K that's a 2001-2008

I believe that the $100-200K range has restricted the number of 42' or 45' coaches available. And certainly no 2008 models.
Larry and Terry
Ex 2004 U270 36'

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #45
We have been full timing in our 36 ft U270 for 6.5 years now.  No slide, but the layout is great for us.
This year we did put new tires , 8 new air bags, and replaced a bad lift pump along with normal maintenance.
Hope to continue traveling in this same coach for 10+ years more- only has 119,000 miles on it.

We have everything we need and most of what we want, so we are enjoying it. 

Find the coach that you like and fits your needs and budget, then travel and have fun.

Best of luck in your search.


Ted & Karen
2001 U270 36' - sold after 12 years full timing

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #46
It is MHO that  (again) before you do any more soul searching on what to add/delete etc etc etc with the FT brand of coach's both of you together should spend the next 12 months actually visiting many units for sale and make a simple spread sheet on likes and dislikes. This alone will answer many of your problems then after all thatyou will see why this group of people prefer the make we have.
I spent around 4 yrs looking looking while enjoying the class D van (and totally rebuilding that one too) then a C we had. I knew I wanted to move up a touch and looked at all makes. One evening while in Yuma we saw a coach I did not know existed (FT) and just had 5 mins to walk thru it before the guy closed up. That did it for me and the hunt  THEN was on for a FT I could afford. I did not waste any energy prior to that on a particular brand, just getting to know the ins and outs of all of them.
I suggest you both attack it in a similar fashion seeing there is a bit of "difference of opinion" as I read between the lines.
JohnH
A sensible approach, and we do have some idea of the things we like and don't like. While there are a number of coaches for sale in and around our area, most of them are brands we would never consider (and no FTs). Because we both still work and have a special needs son at home, taking a long trip to see a coach is difficult, even though we've discussed the possibility that we would have to travel, given the seeming scarcity of quality coaches in our area and the tendency to greatly overprice them.

This turned into a longer conversation than I had meant for it to. In my original post, i was simply curious about the coach and wondered whether it looked as good to more experienced eyes as it did to mine. (Sort of an idea as to whether I have an eye for quality, as it were.)

Maybe I'm just too anxious. I've been ready to move to a coach for a couple of years now. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #47
We have been full timing in our 36 ft U270 for 6.5 years now.  No slide, but the layout is great for us.
This year we did put new tires , 8 new air bags, and replaced a bad lift pump along with normal maintenance.
Hope to continue traveling in this same coach for 10+ years more- only has 119,000 miles on it.

We have everything we need and most of what we want, so we are enjoying it. 

Find the coach that you like and fits your needs and budget, then travel and have fun.

Best of luck in your search.
Thanks. I do like the look of the 36-foot units I've seen.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #48
She can be very firm once she's made her mind up. Her opinion on length is based on seeing other coaches of 40-feet. Since length is pretty much the same regardless of brand, I don't think I'll be able to shake her on that one.

I won't try to argue with you (or with your wife through you) but I do suggest the following:

I know a 40-ft Foretravel looks big; to some people it looks really big. However, it doesn't drive as big as it looks. It is surprisingly maneuverable, and the extra four feet in length rarely become a factor when driving or maneuvering. More importantly, those extra four feet make a huge difference in the basement storage, and I think they make perhaps an even larger difference in the interior storage. Consider that with the aisle down the center of the motorhome those extra four feet are gained on both sides of that center aisle, so that in effect eight feet of additional storage space is gained.

I would suggest that you and your wife compare similar models in the 36-ft and 40-ft lengths. For us the difference in the interior was so dramatic that it made the decision very easy. The tradeoff between maneuverability and storage space easily let us choose the extra storage space. We haven't regretted it!
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #49
I won't try to argue with you (or with your wife through you) but I do suggest the following:

I know a 40-ft Foretravel looks big; to some people it looks really big. However, it doesn't drive as big as it looks. It is surprisingly maneuverable, and the extra four feet in length rarely become a factor when driving or maneuvering. More importantly, those extra four feet make a huge difference in the basement storage, and I think they make perhaps an even larger difference in the interior storage. Consider that with the aisle down the center of the motorhome those extra four feet are gained on both sides of that center aisle, so that in effect eight feet of additional storage space is gained.

I would suggest that you and your wife compare similar models in the 36-ft and 40-ft lengths. For us the difference in the interior was so dramatic that it made the decision very easy. The tradeoff between maneuverability and storage space easily let us choose the extra storage space. We haven't regretted it!
I'm not opposed to a 40-footer out of hand. I need to clarify with her what her specific objections to the longer length are. I do know she has used the phrase "bowling alley" to describe the living area of some longer coaches, including one FT I showed her a video of last night. While i know that interiors can be changed, I also know she does not want to have to have a lot of renovation done simply to make it livable in her eyes. I don't honestly know whether the driveability has entered into her thinking. It certainly has not come up in the conversation.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW