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Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #50
Remember that 40' Foretravels come with or without a tag axle.  The tag axle models may have better road manors and are more maneuverable with the tag lifted.  Non tag axles have a longer wheel base and are less maneuverable in tight quarters.  On the other hand, the tag axle takes away from  basement storage.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #51
Remember that 40' Foretravels come with or without a tag axle.  The tag axle models may have better road manors and are more maneuverable with the tag lifted.  Non tag axles have a longer wheel base and are less maneuverable in tight quarters.  On the other hand, the tag axle takes away from  basement storage.

The newer ones (with slides) are heavier and need the tag axle. My 1995 has no slides and no need for a tag axle. I've heard that the ones with a tag axle handle very nicely, but quite frankly mine handles so well that I can't imagine a tag axle would improve its handling. I really do appreciate the large basement storage bays.
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #52
Walt, we spent a couple of years researching and discussing what we had learned. At first Jo Ann wanted slides, but as we researched we realized that there are both advantages and disadvantages to them. We also started out thinking that a motor home was too expensive to drive because we focused on that 5-8 mpg number. Once we figured out a MH can tow a more fuel-efficient vehicle (duh!) we started looking at how many miles in (with) the RV and how many miles without for a year what what the total fuel bill would be. At that point we also started remembering that with any towed RV the truck would be our daily driver, and then it was all MH - no towed RV for us. Our price range then pretty much limited us to coaches without slides, and by that time Jo Ann had realized that we weren't giving up all that much. Just that portion of our research took about six months.

The point I'm making is that you two need to spend some time each week discussing your wants and needs, and when there are differences of opinion (and there will be) you'll have to figure out some way to resolve it. Looking at various coaches is a bit help. There are only so many ways to arrange the interior of a box, so you can look at all sorts of brands and prices to see the different layouts. After you've looked at a few, go have a cup of coffee and discuss what you saw and how each one might work (or not work) for you. Ignore the price and condition at this point - you are only looking at various floor plans. Then look at Foretravel Specifications, Floor Plans, Photos & Brochures by Year in the years you are interested in to find a floor plan that is close to what you like.

Enjoy the research and the hunt.

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #53
Bear in mind that the brochure floor plans are not the all inclusive list.  A number of coaches were built to customer specifications.  Mine happens to be one that does not appear in the brochures.  I remember seeing another new Foretravel at an RV show around 7-8 years ago that was not in the brochure (the shower stall was in the bedroom).
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #54
True, but I would bet that there are far more plans-built coaches than custom ones. That might also be a point worth remembering when touring a brand that is more often than not a custom coach (Newell comes to mind here). If you see an unusual arrangement that is just perfect you may as well buy that coach because you probably won't find another one like it. If you see the same arrangement frequently chances are that you can find one pretty much like it in a Foretravel.

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #55
Walt, we spent a couple of years researching and discussing what we had learned. At first Jo Ann wanted slides, but as we researched we realized that there are both advantages and disadvantages to them. We also started out thinking that a motor home was too expensive to drive because we focused on that 5-8 mpg number. Once we figured out a MH can tow a more fuel-efficient vehicle (duh!) we started looking at how many miles in (with) the RV and how many miles without for a year what what the total fuel bill would be. At that point we also started remembering that with any towed RV the truck would be our daily driver, and then it was all MH - no towed RV for us. Our price range then pretty much limited us to coaches without slides, and by that time Jo Ann had realized that we weren't giving up all that much. Just that portion of our research took about six months.

The point I'm making is that you two need to spend some time each week discussing your wants and needs, and when there are differences of opinion (and there will be) you'll have to figure out some way to resolve it. Looking at various coaches is a bit help. There are only so many ways to arrange the interior of a box, so you can look at all sorts of brands and prices to see the different layouts. After you've looked at a few, go have a cup of coffee and discuss what you saw and how each one might work (or not work) for you. Ignore the price and condition at this point - you are only looking at various floor plans. Then look at Foretravel Specifications, Floor Plans, Photos & Brochures by Year in the years you are interested in to find a floor plan that is close to what you like.

Enjoy the research and the hunt.
The one thing we have agreed on is that it will be a motorhome. We've already bought the Jeep to tow behind one. :D Besides, our F-350 dually doesn't allow for much in the way of back roads exploration. I'll send her to Barry's website. She's already asked for brochures as me talking about it isn't quite the same thing.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #56
You need to get hold of deputydick. He has one for sale.
1994 U280, Build 4490
Deming, NM.

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #57
You need to get hold of deputydick. He has one for sale.
DW says the timetable is two more years, mainly because that is when the extended warranty on the truck expires. When she gave me the financial update tonight, there was a hint that we might be ready financially in a year, so I need to try and be patient. Gosh, it's hard. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #58
True, but I would bet that there are far more plans-built coaches than custom ones. That might also be a point worth remembering when touring a brand that is more often than not a custom coach (Newell comes to mind here). If you see an unusual arrangement that is just perfect you may as well buy that coach because you probably won't find another one like it. If you see the same arrangement frequently chances are that you can find one pretty much like it in a Foretravel.

Exactly.  Ours is very rare, no more than four ever built.  We fell in love with the 38' single slide model with no tag axle (not found in the brochure) and an unbeatable color scheme, inside and out.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #59
DW says the timetable is two more years, mainly because that is when the extended warranty on the truck expires. When she gave me the financial update tonight, there was a hint that we might be ready financially in a year, so I need to try and be patient. Gosh, it's hard. :)

ok

sure

We were in the same boat when we found our Foretravel.  DW said no serious looking until we sold the old motorhome.

We were a two motorhome family for a few months.

Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #60
FWIW, extended warranties I think are Insurance policies, not actual warranties, and in most states you can get a refund on the unused (and therefor unearned) premium. So you might check on the refund possibility if you move sooner. Â There is a nice $39K coach, which is probably $10-15K under market available, if it was what I want that would seem to be a pretty strong incentive and hard to beat pay back vs. worrying about an extended warranty. Â Sometimes we spend a lot of time saving dimes and walking past dollars. Â I am guilty for sure!

Of course there will always be "this week's deal of a lifetime" occurring sometime next week....:-)

That being said and off topic, my son now LOVES his F350 2006 Crew Cab 4x4 Long bed Ford Lariat with the 6.0 Powerstroke diesel. Â That is after overhauling motor,(they take the cab off to do this...) new ARP head studs, reworked heads (new valve seats), new head gaskets, Â $1,000 worth of "sinister" coolant and 2 micron oil filters, along with $3,000 worth of Bulletproof aftermarket oil cooler modifications and their improved EGR cooler. Â So after about $7,500 (total with parts) in repairs at 177,000 miles, it is running amazingly well.

he intends to keep it to 500,000 miles (and he will need to to get his money out of it.) Not Ford's finest moment....when they brought these out...
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #61
I find somewhat of a contradiction in some posts here. 

Seems to be two different groups.  Subgroups in each, of course.

There are a group of owners that are content with basically driving what their coach came with basically and do minor to medium upgrades and mods.

The second group upgrades their coach in full paint and front cap mods. 

Seems like a $25k mod.  Plus any interior mods.

Problem is the resale prices do not seem to reflect the money spent.

"too high"  after spending $25-$30k would mean I made a mistake.

Sounds like anyone doing extensive upgrades better be prepared to basically eat the costs.

Or like I have posted "drive it out of the coach".

Seems like normal if you put much money in a coach be prepared to drive the coach for a while. 

"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #62
FWIW, extended warranties I think are Insurance policies, not actual warranties, and in most states you can get a refund on the unused (and therefor unearned) premium. So you might check on the refund possibility if you move sooner. Â There is a nice $39K coach, which is probably $10-15K under market available, if it was what I want that would seem to be a pretty strong incentive and hard to beat pay back vs. worrying about an extended warranty. Â Sometimes we spend a lot of time saving dimes and walking past dollars. Â I am guilty for sure!

Of course there will always be "this week's deal of a lifetime" occurring sometime next week....:-)

That being said and off topic, my son now LOVES his F350 2006 Crew Cab 4x4 Long bed Ford Lariat with the 6.0 Powerstroke diesel. Â That is after overhauling motor,(they take the cab off to do this...) new ARP head studs, reworked heads (new valve seats), new head gaskets, Â $1,000 worth of "sinister" coolant and 2 micron oil filters, along with $3,000 worth of Bulletproof aftermarket oil cooler modifications and their improved EGR cooler. Â So after about $7,500 (total with parts) in repairs at 177,000 miles, it is running amazingly well.

he intends to keep it to 500,000 miles (and he will need to to get his money out of it.) Not Ford's finest moment....when they brought these out...
That's the same exact model we have (except for the 4x4 part). The extended warranty saved us probably $4-5,000 even after renewing it. In the four-plus years we've owned the truck, we've had a number of pieces replaced, including the engine block, most of it on Ford's dime after the deductible.

I believe our warranty is also transferable, but I suspect we'll wait until the warranty expires. Once DW has a chance to read some of the material on FTs, though, who knows?
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #63
ok

sure

We were in the same boat when we found our Foretravel.  DW said no serious looking until we sold the old motorhome.

We were a two motorhome family for a few months.
We've already decided we'll sell the fifth-wheel (and likely the truck) after we buy whatever we end up buying. That money may end up seeding our maintenance fund but won't be used to inflate our budget of what we can spend on a coach.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #64
I find somewhat of a contradiction in some posts here. 

Seems to be two different groups.  Subgroups in each, of course.

There are a group of owners that are content with basically driving what their coach came with basically and do minor to medium upgrades and mods.

The second group upgrades their coach in full paint and front cap mods. 

Seems like a $25k mod.  Plus any interior mods.

Problem is the resale prices do not seem to reflect the money spent.

"too high"  after spending $25-$30k would mean I made a mistake.

Sounds like anyone doing extensive upgrades better be prepared to basically eat the costs.

Or like I have posted "drive it out of the coach".

Seems like normal if you put much money in a coach be prepared to drive the coach for a while.
We haven't really talked about it, but I think our plan is to get a good coach that we can one day full-time in and keep it until or unless it no longer meets our needs. That's why FT appeals to me. I'd rather find an older, quality-built coach and put money into maintaining it than buy a newer coach that might not last ten or more years.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #65
Agree. Numbers don't support RV ownership at all. Next step is buy good stuff and keep. Then buy older good stuff and upgrade. Then buy old stuff and use as is. Each option has its cost, devotees and value prop. Pay what you want and what you can afford. Lots of good FT options depending on your personality and budget
Tim Fiedler    2025 LTV Unity MBL on Order
2000 Chevy Tracker 2 Door Convertible 4WD Now lifted 4.5"
1985 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston
Murphy Rebel on wheels with 175HP Titan
Cessna P337
1980 48' Westport MY (!/4 Share)

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #66
Looks like this coach is sale pending at MOT.
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #67
If I may, This reminds me of my neighbors who know more about my business than I do.
Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.
 
The part I hate to see is when people get that dazed look and over spend their ability, jump in, and then have to dump it for money reasons, always a looser.

I know I have way more money in my toy than I can ever expect to recover, but I am the happy kid.  It does not change what I have for breakfast nor where I sleep.  When I am tired or done with it, it is nearly worthless and I do not care.  What is more important is having a very trust worthy coach that every feature acts correct, drives correct, handles correct, engine & transmission work as designed and of course the generator does its thing correct.  Yes I probably spend a little more than some on some items, but no need to concern anyone.

Ya'll enjoy

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #68
If I may, This reminds me of my neighbors who know more about my business than I do.
Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.
 
The part I hate to see is when people get that dazed look and over spend their ability, jump in, and then have to dump it for money reasons, always a looser.

I know I have way more money in my toy than I can ever expect to recover, but I am the happy kid.  It does not change what I have for breakfast nor where I sleep.  When I am tired or done with it, it is nearly worthless and I do not care.  What is more important is having a very trust worthy coach that every feature acts correct, drives correct, handles correct, engine & transmission work as designed and of course the generator does its thing correct.  Yes I probably spend a little more than some on some items, but no need to concern anyone.

Ya'll enjoy

I agree. 
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #69
If I may, This reminds me of my neighbors who know more about my business than I do.
Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.
 
The part I hate to see is when people get that dazed look and over spend their ability, jump in, and then have to dump it for money reasons, always a looser.

I know I have way more money in my toy than I can ever expect to recover, but I am the happy kid.  It does not change what I have for breakfast nor where I sleep.  When I am tired or done with it, it is nearly worthless and I do not care.  What is more important is having a very trust worthy coach that every feature acts correct, drives correct, handles correct, engine & transmission work as designed and of course the generator does its thing correct.  Yes I probably spend a little more than some on some items, but no need to concern anyone.

Ya'll enjoy
While an RV is not an investment in the financial sense, for us (I think) it is an investment in a lifestyle, one that we happen to enjoy and hope in a few years to pursue full-time. I definitely want it (as does my wife), and i think we can afford to do something now. My wife, being more frugal and more prudent, says we need to bide our time and be patient. She has not decided on a particular brand when the time comes. I have all but zeroed in on an FT coach, in part because of this great forum.

Until that time comes, I'll go back to catching up on my reading. I still have 20 pages of posts on the Foretravel Discussions board alone to scan through. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #70
If I may, This reminds me of my neighbors who know more about my business than I do.
Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.
 
The part I hate to see is when people get that dazed look and over spend their ability, jump in, and then have to dump it for money reasons, always a looser.

I know I have way more money in my toy than I can ever expect to recover, but I am the happy kid.  It does not change what I have for breakfast nor where I sleep.  When I am tired or done with it, it is nearly worthless and I do not care.  What is more important is having a very trust worthy coach that every feature acts correct, drives correct, handles correct, engine & transmission work as designed and of course the generator does its thing correct.  Yes I probably spend a little more than some on some items, but no need to concern anyone.

Ya'll enjoy

Dave, excellent point!    "A happy kid."  I like it!  As one who got (what 1st appeared to be) a "bargain" coach, I'm still a happy kid.....even though the $ was soon doubled, making her roadworthy mechanically/structurally, making her prettier on the outside, & having her insides spruced up, I'm still ecstatic with my beautiful FT. 

At this point it matters not what's been spent, this classic & "first class" beauty is saving my life!  I still get goose bumps every time I get in & drive her.  She's a dream come true, tho' it took a bit to get her that way,  it's well worth it, to be driving the finest motor coach on the planet.     

Walt, a word or two: do be wary of any coach that's been sitting for awhile, try to be patient (yes it's very hard!) but sooner or later the right one will come along.  I might have waited awhile longer but I'm still happy I decided to take the plunge.  With less than 42,000 miles on her, there's plenty of room to go a whole lot more!   

Happy trails, all....

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #71
Miz Dani,
I surely am one lucky kid, purchased my 2001 36' 320 at MOT about 6.5 yrs ago, never seen it, only pix but brother said it was good, worked the deal on phone, took check from bank & drove hone.  Have spent about $50,000 on "make me happy stuff" and about $2,500 on repairs since. So it is a happy & lucky toy box always been garaged about 11 months a year, now has 110,000 miles showing & raring to go.
Another PI grad 1960
Dave M

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #72
Walt, a word or two: do be wary of any coach that's been sitting for awhile, try to be patient (yes it's very hard!) but sooner or later the right one will come along.  I might have waited awhile longer but I'm still happy I decided to take the plunge. 

Happy trails, all....
I've been reading that about coaches, and I think I've found it to be true with our F-350 diesel. The longer we had it and the more we drove it, the better it seemed to run and the better the fuel mileage was as well.

Patience has never been my strong suit, and I do worry I'll see several "right ones" come along, but until I have a FT, I'll try to enjoy living the Foretravel life through those of you who do have one. :)
Walt Huntsman
Boise, Idaho
no Foretravel (yet)
2007 Alpenlite Voyager 31RE
2006 Ford F-350 DRW

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #73
Who cares what I spend on my toys, I am not looking at an investment, there is never going to be a money making RV experience that I can see, so why worry about it, either you want it and can afford it or you can not.

Our philosophy is the same. Our friends spend far more than do we on the fancy homes and cars that make them happy, and that's fine with us. We don't know what they think about how we spend our money, and we don't care. We live a lifestyle that suits us and it makes us happy!
David and Carolyn Osborn
1995 U320C SE 40' Build 4726 Feb 1995
FMCA 147762
Motorcade 17186

Re: Question about a coach at MOT

Reply #74
Dave M's post prompts me to reply.

If anyone really wants to get into having an RV, do not do anything you feel sure is foolish to the point that you risk your retirement or whatever would keep you awake.

But we missed a lot of time that we would have enjoyed, being too cautious.  Waiting for the perfect time and coach cost us some enjoyable times.

Just saying, as Dave says.
Mike
2001 U320 4010 Build 5878 (Gus)
Wrangle Unlimited Toad
Nacogdoches