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Wireless Monitor and Camera

I know its in here somewhere I did a search and could not find it. There was a post about installing a wireless system and I would like to do the same on our U300. any help Thanks Andy
Andy & Eileen
MONTROSE COLORADO
1992 U300  40' 6V92 TA
2016 4 Runner
1998 Jeep Grand cherokee

1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee) Build # 4135 Skp# 122921

Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera

Reply #1
That was my thread:
Wireless Rear View Camera Installation

I have been having some issues with my installation, and was going to post a update to my original thread, but this is just as good a place for it.  See next post.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #2
My installation of the wireless backup system was almost completely successful.  I used the system on our recent 1000-mile round trip to NAC, and was extremely happy to have a working rear camera.  The wireless part of the system works perfectly.  There were no drop-outs, no interference from other vehicles or our own Wi-F- devices, and no jumpy images.  The size and placement of the monitor worked great - it was very "natural" for me to look in that direction.  I had several favorable comments from the FOT employees who were moving my coach around the crowded parking lot - they really liked using the back-up camera. 

The only problem I have with this particular system is the accuracy of the color rendition.  Since Day 1 the color has not been right!  Originally, I was so happy to have a working back-up camera that I ignored the color problem.  After the "new" wore off, however, I was less pleased.  I expect a high-def color camera and monitor to be able to produce reasonably accurate color.  Red cars should be red, green grass should be green, a school bus should be yellow.  With this system, the colors are mostly all different shades of PURPLE-BROWN.  Green grass is brown or purple (and no, it's not just because we live in West TX), a red fence is brown, cars are muted brownish hues...  No adjustment of the monitor corrects this problem.  The "color" adjustment just makes the brown tones brighter or darker...the "tint" adjustment goes from purple at one extreme to a sickly greenish hue at the other, but then EVERYTHING is that not-normal greenish hue.  I tried everything I could adjust - nothing fixes it.

So I called Tadi Brothers, and explained my problem.  Their first response was to send me a 2nd monitor - which took a week to get here, and after I swapped them out looked exactly the same.  So I called again.  This time they said they would send me a replacement camera.  After waiting another week and no package, I called again.  They were "out of stock", and waiting for a shipment.  At that time we had to leave for our trip to NAC, so I went with what we had.  When we returned home after a week, the 2nd camera was waiting for me.  I just got it hooked up this morning, and IT DOES EXACTLY THE SAME THING!

So, 2 different cameras, and 2 different monitors, and I can't get decent color rendition.  I'm running out of ideas.  Today I will connect one of the cameras and monitors together with a video cable, and see how they work in a wired configuration.  Will report back ASAP on that.

Tadi Brothers has been willing to send me replacement units (shipped the slowest way possible) to try to correct the problem, but I haven't gotten ANY actual technical assistance when I called.  I don't want to bad-mouth them (yet), but I also want people to understand that based on my experience, there MAY be some quality problems with some of the equipment they sell, and it MAY be worthwhile to consider other vendors before you spend your money.

If anyone has any ideas on what could be causing my color rendition problems, I'd be glad to hear them!

The photo below is from my original post.  I thought (back then) that the funky colors were the result of my photographic skills, but that is REALLY what the monitor looks like.  The weeds directly behind the coach are actually light brown.  However, the grass on the other side of the chain link fence is actually bright green, and the little tree in the upper left corner is also healthy green!  The tree (upper right corner) behind the "redwood" colored wooden fence is a evergreen, and is also bright green.  The Mesquite bushes way out behind the coach are light green.  The blue sky actually looks pretty good here, but the rest of the colors are WAY off.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #3
Thanks Chuck, so I guess my question to u is aside from the color issue, would you still buy the system? I really don't care so much for the color, I drove for years with black and white. For the system it self it sounds like you are pleased with how it works.
Andy & Eileen
MONTROSE COLORADO
1992 U300  40' 6V92 TA
2016 4 Runner
1998 Jeep Grand cherokee

1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee) Build # 4135 Skp# 122921

Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera

Reply #4
...aside from the color issue, would you still buy the system?

I would have to say my answer is a conditional "Yes".  I.e., if I couldn't find a better system for less money, then I would still buy this one.

This wireless system certainly serves its intended purpose, and does it well.  It made my first experience pulling a Towd (on a tow dolly) MUCH easier!  In fact, I don't see how it would even be possible without a good rear-view camera.  This camera has good definition, and the monitor image is very clear and easy to use.  Lane changes while driving, and backing up when parking the coach (without Towd, of course), are a piece of cake with this system.  The "range marks" give a very accurate distance-to-obstacle guide.  Aside from the color problem, I am happy with this purchase, and will probably end up keeping it and living with the problem.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #5
Another update.  I tried hooking up my second camera to the monitor in the coach, using a "video" RCA-type cable supplied by Tadi along with the 2nd camera.  The monitor in the coach has 2 input channels, so adding a 2nd camera is simple.  Result: the "wired" camera exhibits exactly the same color rendition problem.  I put a red gas can and a blue ice chest in front of the camera.  The red and blue colors are discernible, but muted.  Bright green trees, however, remain purplish-brown.

My conclusion is that this camera-monitor combo is incapable of reproducing the color green.  I know nothing about how a CCD camera works, and I have no idea if this problem is common, or unusual.  I am going to try one more call to Tadi Brothers, and hopefully speak to a "real" tech, to see if they have a explanation.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera

Reply #6
Somebody out there is probably saying, "Perhaps the old coot is just color blind".

Well, I'm not, and neither is my DW or my next-door neighbor.  They can both back up my story!  :))
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #7
That last post just put me over 500, but who's counting?  ;D
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera

Reply #8
Is the camera out in the open, or shooting through (colored) glass?
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

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Reply #9
Tom,

In both cases (wired and Wi-Fi), the cameras are out in the open - nothing in front of them.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #10
That last post just put me over 500, but who's counting?  ;D

Congratulations!
 
Speaking of which, there used to be a list of members with the most messages (IIRC along the left side). I no longer see that list. Not sure it had any significant information, just sayin' that I'm watchin'.
 
Trent
Trent and Jean Eyler
2000  U295  4003  WTFE  ISC  350
Build#5603 MC#17385

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Reply #11
I'm wondering if anyone has given thought to using the TV as a rear camera monitor?  pc
S/W Houston 95" U320C SE/40' 
Build #4778  Cummins M11
Repairs & Covered RV Parking (BAO)
PPL is close..

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Reply #12
I'm wondering if anyone has given thought to using the TV as a rear camera monitor?  pc

Yes. Foretravel.  Old coaches had the camera through the tv.  Channel three?  Ignition interlocked
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #13
Just make sure that the video standard is the same for bot the camera and the monitor... i.e.; NTSC and not PAL (the European standard). Sometimes a mismatch will result in no picture, but sometimes will result in B&W or off coloration. Just a WAG... ::)
Don
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Don & Tys
1999 U270 3602 WTFE #5402
Xtreme Stage 1 w/Headlight, Step Conversion, etc.
2009 Honda Fit Sport with Navi
Freedom is NOT "just another word for nothing left to lose"... with apologies to Kris Kristofferson

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Reply #14
I don't know how the system processes color, BUT in the color spectrum Magenta and green cancel out each other.
This is what the problem looks like to my eyes.
1995 U320C SE 40'
Jeep 4x4 Commander - Limited - Hemi
"The Pack"  Yogi and Diesel our Airedales -  Charlie our Boxer/Akita mix. Gone but NEVER forgotten Jake our yellow Lab.
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Reply #15
Just make sure that the video standard is the same for both the camera and the monitor... i.e.; NTSC and not PAL
Thanks Don - for a good WAG.  The spec sheet for the monitor says, "NTSC and PAL Automatically", and the camera spec sheet list resolution numbers for both PAL and NTSC.  I guess they are able to cover both bases with these products, which makes sense from a marketing standpoint.

Never got through to the tech dept at Tadi yesterday - will try again today.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #16
Chuck, Kind of far out but possible.  I have seen cameras and monitors show cruddy colors as a result of erratic or low voltage at the camera/monitor.  What voltage does the maker specify ? What voltage do you have at the device input ?
Gary B

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Reply #17
Hood for the camera. Put your hand over top see if it changes ::) color saturation.
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John - driving Old Faithful
1994 U280 GV
C8.3, Banks, Pacbrake, 900 watts, Resonator, XLHD tow dolly
Retired Army Warrant Officer

Life is what you make of it - if it is lemons, make lemonade!
Former Coaches:
1988 GV 40' ORED 300HP CAT - 9 years
1990 Winnebago LeSharo - 3 years
2000 Newmar London Aire - 3 years (#18 of 23 produced)

Re: Wireless Monitor and Camera

Reply #18
What voltage does the maker specify? What voltage do you have at the device input?

I'll check on that!
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #19
Don't think it is anything a hood would change.  The camera has a small hood, and I have used the system in all kinds of conditions, from dark shade to bright sunlight.  Doesn't seem to alter the weird color problem.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #20
Picture on the monitor looks good to me. Maybe if I were doing a wedding video...

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #21
Pierce,

It's just the wacky color (or lack thereof) I'm griping about.  The resolution and image quality are otherwise just fine, and as I said it certainly fulfills the intended function.  Perhaps I am being too picky.  Compared to what I started with (nothing), this is a 100% improvement.

Gary suggested I check voltages, which I just did.  The monitor specs call for 12-24 volt power supply, and I am getting 13.1 volts at the power harness with engine off.  So that is good.  At the camera, however, I am a "little short".  Camera specs call for 12 volt input (no allowable variation stated), and the original factory camera power wire which I am using is showing 11.8 volts, again with engine off.  I'm plugged in to 50 amp shore power, and all batteries are fully charged.

What think you - is this slightly low voltage my problem?  I could try running a jumper wire from the batteries direct to the camera and feed it around 13 volts, to see if it makes any difference.  Or could that damage the camera?  Sure don't want to do that...
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #22
Chuck,
The Javelina power supplies take coach voltage and add 5 volts then regulate that number down to 12 volts.
Did your old system have a power supply that you removed?
Should be some of them around with all the systems that owners have upgraded to new systems.
Maybe you could wire one in to the circuit back at the camera.
Might help if that camera requires 12 volts + or - 0.
John Duld
1995 U320C SE 40'

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Reply #23
Chuck,

Think the voltage is well within specs. What I like: the wide angle lens shows a lot of territory, resolution is good, warning bars are excellent and the color seems good on the bars or whatever you want to call them, wireless transmission resolution also seems excellent.

If the camera has a cable out, you could connect a monitor to it just below the camera via a short cable to check on the color.  Your monitor may have a video input so you could also just feed a camcorder into it and check for color. Should be yellow RCA.

So, my best guess is the wireless video while good for resolution, is not up to speed for color. It's possible they emphasized certain colors for visibility but more likely the tech dept let them down. Don't think a filter would make much difference.

So, our wired system (camera/monitor) total cost is about $60 today. Our overall color is better but I love your image and resolution, the warning bars and it's wireless capability.  If I paid around $100, I probably would not complain but if much more than that, I wouldn't be happy.  I totally understand your frustration.

How is the night image? Ours lacks color at night but has a good image.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #24
I paid a bit more attention to my monitor today, also got my stuff from Taxi Brothers. My colours are way off, never paid much attention before but it is far from Hi Def TV colors. Just the way it is I suppose.

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers