Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

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Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #25 – November 17, 2014, 11:40:07 am

Hope it works out Dani.

I have a question- you said you were going to change to a single filter option. Most of our coaches have 2 filters- a primary fuel/water separator ( that is the one over your starting batteries) and a secondary filter on the engine itself.
The secondary filter is very fine, about 2 microns to protect your injectors. If you have only a single filter, will you plug up faster and/or have enough protection for your fuel injectors??

Just thoughts to help you out.

Let us know what happens.

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #26 – November 17, 2014, 11:59:21 am

Ted I beleive we're talking about the one over the engine batteries, that one is made up of 2 cannister type units, (one larger & one smaller one that bubbles up when bleeding the air) ....talking about changing it to a single assembly pump unit. From what I understand, Gary O says it's OK to leave the electronic box just disconnect the wires.

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #27 – November 17, 2014, 12:03:58 pm

Dani, Another thought.
Sounds like you have an unusual fuel filter set up. NORMALLY there are two filters, one is a water separator but that description does not fit your set up.
When the mechanic shows up ask him to CHANGE the filter that is mounted on the block up high just east of the fuel shut off solenoid and the injection pump. I know you had filters changed but the OEM filter is hard to see and I Wonder if it was changed. The set up you describe is not normal on an 8.3, I am ASSUMING that you have the 8.3 350 HP engine.
Gary B

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #28 – November 17, 2014, 12:12:59 pm

Yes Dani, the assembly over the batteries. I have never seen anything like what you have, but I can tell you with a simple assembly that can take a spin on filter your life will be much easier when you need that filter changed. Also, you won't have the "bag" to bother with.

Also, if you carry extra filters with you, then it is easier to find someone to change them if you don't want to do it yourself.
Filterbarn.com is a great source for filters- a lot of us get them there.

Best of luck when the tech. gets there.

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #29 – November 17, 2014, 12:18:10 pm

Dani, As we talked about a few minutes ago your engine has TWO filters, the one you are describing is a system to trap water etc and is either an add on or an unusual factory option.
I am concerned that your mechanic in FL says he changed two filters BUT did he change the OEM filter mounted on the block most commonly known as the secondary filter ?
The standard filter number for your 8.3 engine is a FLEETGARD FS 1226 or a NAPA 3442.
I would suggest that you tell the mechanic coming to you to bring this filter with him and regardless of what he does with the OTHER filter to change this filter.
The course of action that you have mentioned is simply bypassing the water separator system that has the leaky bag on it.
Gary B

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Reply #30 – November 17, 2014, 12:34:22 pm

Ted, who woulda thunk...a special web site just for filters? Duly noted!!! Gary B, got these #'s written down for when the tech calls me...tech place sounds like a good outfit.... http://www.waynestruckservice.com $90 an hour for mobile service so I wanted him to have as many parts with him as might be necesary beforehand so I don't have to pay for his running around looking for parts...thank you all...have made copious notes on all your suggestions....

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #31 – November 17, 2014, 12:37:33 pm

Dani,can you take a photo of the system you have and post it.

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Reply #32 – November 17, 2014, 12:48:01 pm

Miz,

Do NOT switch from two fuel filters to one. The two filter system is a lot better and much less susceptible to clogging. A 10 or 30 micron followed by a 2 or 5 micron filter combination will clog much less quickly than a single 2 or 5 micron filter, as the "big stuff" is captured in the first filter.

Yes, in an emergency, you can bypass the primary fuel filter (10 or 30 micron element), but as said above, that will materially shorten the life of the secondary/fine filter.

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #33 – November 17, 2014, 12:54:15 pm

Bill, don't know how, am technologically retarded...can't text either...Brett, I thought the dual filter was the 2 unit item adjacent to the engine batteries....did not know of any other....was referring to the larger & smaller canisters, attached to one another, in engine battery compartment. The smaller one is transparent & that's the one thru which the cycle runs when I bleed the air...when that cycle ends I try to start her as soon as possible. Am now finding out there are other filters, on the engine block under the intake manifold, & the one I thought was the only one....am beginning to feel like I don't know nearly as much as I'd thought I did....

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #34 – November 17, 2014, 09:18:10 pm

That smaller "filter" is really just a strainer to catch really big stuff.

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Reply #35 – November 17, 2014, 10:51:34 pm

I'll help you out Dani. Here is a picture of your fuel filter in the chassis battery bay. Hope you get to feeling better and get back on the road home.

Mark and Tanya

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Reply #36 – November 18, 2014, 12:10:18 am

Thanks Mark! They'll be back tomorrow, per Gary O, they ran a test bypassing the fuel pump, (barely a trickle of fuel got thru the hose & she kept cutting out again)....they ordered the lift pump from Cummins, not sure what else, on their way to me now.....looks like another night with Yogi Bear at Jellystone....sigh....

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #37 – November 18, 2014, 11:45:54 am

So sorry you are having so much trouble Dani. I had hoped your issues would have been settled before you left NAC, but alas, that does not always work out. As I said before, at least you are off the road safely.

FYI- if you are having engine issues and are near NAC the person to call is Bernd Ramspect. He is the diesel mechanic to go to-very good at what he does. A lot of us on the forum are using him for engine work, fuel lines, air bags, etc.
936-707-1584 is his phone. Won't help you now but when you are back in NAC he is a great resource for us all.

Good luck and stay safe.

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Reply #38 – November 19, 2014, 04:54:07 am

Thanks Ted & Karen, appreciate the info for next time...we are now into day 4 of this great adventure...the tech promised to come back to me 1st thng in the morning....lift pump's installed & at first she tested well, stayed running on idle, but now is still sucking a lot of air, won't stay running....oh how I wish this had happened at FOT, I'd have been home by now.

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #39 – November 19, 2014, 05:12:22 am

Dani, now I have not followed too closely your problem due to being here in Europe but am I correct that you just had the fuel lines replaced and if so could there be a bad hose connector causing this problem. If the end connection is nott air tight you would get the same effect as no fuel or plugged filters. maybe I am off base but this is a possibility
Johnh

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Reply #40 – November 19, 2014, 06:42:51 am

I agree with John. If you were to disconect the fuel line at the tank and then at the lift pump and pull a vacumn on the line you could rule it out that way also. Another issue that I have incoutered in the trucking logging industry as a maechanic is a rag somehow getting in the tank or some kind of debrees like a leaf or something that floats around and will be drawn to the pickup tube and block it and I have also seen the pickup tube in the tank crack above the fuel level and suck air. I know all that seems far fetched but I have seen it happen, just saying. Good Luck

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #41 – November 19, 2014, 07:30:06 am

John, Adam, thanks for this, (all noted!) ....all went well when the lift pump got installed then he started to change the 2 canister pump in the battery compartment to a one canister single unit & found he'd brought the wrong item, an electronic or digital (?) one instead of a mechanical one (I can't remember exactly all the details) so I think he attempted a bypass & that failed....not sure, will find out for sure today.

* brief note (off topic, sorry) there are 2 bright white small lights along the right side of my coach now that have never been on before, can't find any way to get them off...step light was broken, wonder if the tech inadvertently fixed them? There are 2, one by the door & one further back, towards the rear. right side only.

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Reply #42 – November 19, 2014, 07:54:39 am

Miz D,

Are you talking about your right side docking lights? If so there is a switch that operates them just below your transmission shift pad. One for the right side one for the left. Ours are green switches.

Pamela & Mike

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Reply #43 – November 19, 2014, 08:02:48 am

....yes that did it! I must have turned them on yesterday, running all the tests & turning the boost switch off & on! ...right side was on, left side off, thank you Pamela & Mike!

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #44 – November 19, 2014, 09:25:50 am

Fuel Lines? Â old and cracked?

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Reply #45 – November 19, 2014, 09:26:46 am

detach the fuel line from the tank and see how it runs on a 5 gallon can of diesel direct to the engine

Re: Engine in Dani's coach won't stay running (split from Re: Another Battery Problem)

Reply #46 – November 19, 2014, 10:30:29 am

Tim, thanks for your tip, duly noted, fuel lines all new in January....good input from Gary O too, he & the tech chatted this morning & seem to be "on the same page" so to speak....still waiting for him to arrive. Told him I needed to be 1st today, instead of the last thing they get to every day so far. To be fair, they are short a couple techs this week & dealing with other emergencies too.

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Reply #47 – November 19, 2014, 03:19:38 pm

Dani,

Your docking lights are for backing up as well as illuminating the general area. The do not come on in reverse only when switched on. On my coach there is a switch over the bed for them as well. The idea is that if you hear a noise at night outside you can turn them on to let whoever/whatever know that you know they are there.

Keith

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Reply #48 – November 19, 2014, 07:23:32 pm

unless you have the Xtreme rear LED lights - when he does the conversion, James and gang change the docking lights to come on in reverse.

Satisfied customer.....
:-)

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Reply #49 – November 19, 2014, 10:27:27 pm

Just thought I would post that Dani got the coach fixed and drove 265 miles to east of Pensacola today. She said she is exhausted due to a bad cold and cough. I am sure she will post the report soon.

Mark

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