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wheel fell off

I need a wheel spindle for my U225. The starboard front wheel broke off today while on the freeway. does anyone know where and what part number to get it? thanks
1994 u300

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Reply #1
Is everyone OK?  What are the details of this event?  Must have been exciting!  Sorry, can't help with part numbers.  What is your location?
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #2
Is everyone OK?  What are the details of this event?  Must have been exciting!  Sorry, can't help with part numbers.  What is your location?
We stopped to check a big noise after hitting something 4am....after 70 ft of noise and the rig just went plop to the ground and scraped another 15 feet on the brake pads. Wheel, tire and drum fell off , ground brake pads, buggered up spindle and bent the leveling jack mount 
I would post pics her but don't have a url for the pic insert. I am hoping my insurance covers the damage,
1994 u300

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Reply #3
OK this is really rare.

Do you know yet the CAUSE of this? 

Did the wheel bearings seize up?

Was there still oil in the wet bath for the bearings? Signs of oil leakage?

Bearings WAY out of adjustment causing "hammering" on the axle nut?



Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
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Reply #4
OK this is really rare.

Do you know yet the CAUSE of this?

Did the wheel bearings seize up?

Was there still oil in the wet bath for the bearings? Signs of oil leakage?

Bearings WAY out of adjustment causing "hammering" on the axle nut?




do not know the cause yet, how do I insert pics here?  steering knuckle good, king pin good, spindle has grease on it. wheel and drum are connected together (on the ground)  inner berring has grease on it. <img src="http://www.foreforums.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=2809" alt="" />
1994 u300

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Reply #5
Interesting with the nut still on spindle. :headwall:  Or did I miss something ?
Would have to guess the outer small bearing come apart (Dry, no lube)? That would allow the assembly to come off over the nut, jus a SWAG.  Have never seen such a happening.

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Reply #6
With your axle on the ground you still may be able to see the axle ID tag. It should have a serial number and with that you should be able to trace down the spindle that came on the axle from the factory.

In the pic. it appears that the wheel bearing nut is still in place. Is that what we see on the end of the spindle?

Pamela & Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #7
With your axle on the ground you still may be able to see the axle ID tag. It should have a serial number and with that you should be able to trace down the spindle that came on the axle from the factory.

In the pic. it appears that the wheel bearing nut is still in place. Is that what we see on the end of the spindle?

Pamela & Mike
I found the nut on the ground next to the tire, dry warped and stripped, I hope a replacement is available and insurance will cover it.
1994 u300

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Reply #8
You should be able to find a replacement as those axles were used in other applications. It won't be cheep but should be available. Those should be oil bath bearings, you could have had a seal leak and run the bearing dry causing a massive  bearing failure. Just a WAG

Pamela & Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #9
The axle might be ok did the oiter bearing spin on it? If the surface looks ok you might be able to clean it up with some emory cloth and replace the inner and outer bearings and races and seal  along with a new nut.
91 GV U300 Unihome 40' Build 3811
6V92TA Detroit

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Reply #10
Just had a long conversation with him on this.

Spindle is shot-- bottom of it is ground off-- probably rode on the brake drum after it came off.

He is calling his insurance company tomorrow.  And with the axle model and serial number off the front axle, calling Meritor who bought Rockwell.

Don't know yet what failed.  I have him a list of things to check.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
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Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #11
Not a common happening, but not unheard of either. I suffered the same problem a couple of years ago... got mine off the road before the wheel fell off, but had to replace the spindle anyway as the inner race was welded to the spindle and the threads were shot.

My hub was definitely not dry, had not been messed with since wheel seal replacement 7 years prior...I suspect adjusting nut lock/retainer failed for some reason and being starboard side, tightened itself as it rolled along. Port side would loosen as it rolled along should it suffer the same failure......

Don't have the part # for you...probably not the same spindle anyhow.

Ralph
96 U270
Thanx ralph!  did your insurance pay for the repair????? and also where did you get the replacement spindle?
1994 u300

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Reply #12
Why doesn't his insurance have a 24 hr number for emergencies?
Steve DeLange
2005 U320T 40'
Pearland, Texas

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Reply #13
Totally different spindle/axle/brakes between U225 and U270.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
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Reply #14
An update about the steering spindle replacement.
 I called meritor and they do not have and have not listed the axle spindle since 2007.
 My front axle model number is Rockwell 2FD 931RSAK 18 , the spindle part number is A3111D2162 .
I contacted an axle shop and the said it can be repaired if it is not bent (fingers crossed) . The motorhome rides awesome and solid, I am hoping insurance will repair it, estimator has not been out to look at it yet, they said today or tomorrow the adjuster will be here to look at it.
I was also told I might be able to replace the complete front axle with a newer one, the same length. With a newer air brake system that would hook up to the lines. The wedge brakes might be a problem, I have not gotten to that point to find the shoes yet.
Does anyone know where to get the brake shoes for my coach? thank you again friends and brett wolfe10 is a great help!
1994 u300

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Reply #15
Quite likely if the metal part of the shoe is still OK you can find a local OTR truck brake-reline shop to put on new friction material.  Will want to do both front wheels at the same time so the friction material will be the same.

If the spindle is not salvageable, check with Colaws and other RV wrecking yards for one. Will likely need to rebush and install new king pins, but this is pretty straightforward and any OTR truck front end shop can do it.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #16
You may also try Plunk's in Monroe, LA as they have a large truck wrecking yard. This is the last # I have for them (318) 322-1491 as we usually just rum over there to get what we need.

Pamela & Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Reply #17
You may also try Plunk's in Monroe, LA as they have a large truck wrecking yard. This is the last # I have for them (318) 322-1491 as we usually just rum over there to get what we need.

Pamela & Mike
thx I just called....NO DICE.... bummer ty anyways
1994 u300

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Reply #18
Would be a great help if Meritor could tell you what other axles shared the same spindle and brakes. 

The axle is fairly unique:
Narrow track, light GAWR and wedge brakes.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
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Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #19
I haven't heard from insurance today..... but a couple of truck drivers recommended axle surgeons to repair it on the vehicle.
http://axlesurgeons.com
has anyone have any experience with them?
1994 u300

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Reply #20
Negative on my insurance...it being a mechanical failure, I didn't even bother to file a claim. I replaced my hub also as the bearing had spun in it....both came from Meritor.

Ralph
96 U270
As a retired Claims Rep (aka "Adjuster") "Negative on my insurance" is BS"!!!
They do NOT owe for the cause of loss (mechanical failure).  The DO OWE for the consequential damage which was done by COLLISION with the roadway. You do have collision, right?
Had the bearing gotten so hot that it set the coach ablaze and destroyed it, you would have had a comprehensive loss.  Technically, ins would then owe for the entire coach EXCEPT for the offending bearing.

ps
I wrote this based on reply 14, from which I inferred that they already turned you down (at the agency level).  Subsequently, you state that you have not heard from them yet. Perhaps in #20 you mean you are waiting to hear from a claims department.
Mogan David
1999 U295 36'

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Reply #21
As a retired Claims Rep (aka "Adjuster") "Negative on my insurance" is BS"!!!
They do NOT owe for the cause of loss (mechanical failure).  The DO OWE for the consequential damage which was done by COLLISION with the roadway. You do have collision, right?
Had the bearing gotten so hot that it set the coach ablaze and destroyed it, you would have had a comprehensive loss.  Technically, ins would then owe for the entire coach EXCEPT for the offending bearing.

ps
I wrote this based on reply 14, from which I inferred that they already turned you down (at the agency level).  Subsequently, you state that you have not heard from them yet. Perhaps in #20 you mean you are waiting to hear from a claims department.

I do have collision coverage, I hit something hard, very hard maybe a pothole or a road repair seam a couple times ( a few minutes )before the ultimate failure.  The insurance company told me to get an estimate, but I told them that the rig was not drivable and the are sending an adjuster to my house where it is.
 Any suggestions how to handle this with the adjuster Mogan David (kool name) ?
I might change my name to Mad Dog 20/20 lol.
1994 u300

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Reply #22
" Any suggestions how to handle this with the adjuster Mogan David "
Declare what you just posted.  That is, tell the claims rep that you had a harsh impact with something, but could not go back to see what it was.  We have all seen horrendous obstacles and hazards in the roadway.  Sometimes we do not see them in time to avoid them.  Sometimes we see them but are unable to take evasive action. Sometimes, particularly if we are close behind another large vehicle, we might feel something hit without ever seeing it at all.

When I was going through MO on the Interstate with my old Barth, on my way to CA,  I almost always stayed in the far right lane.  could only go about 60mph. The Holy Spirit told me to move to the center lane right before a curve and slight grade.  I saw no good reason to do so, but did change lanes.  As soon as I did, I came upon a massive step bumper, like off a 2 ton service vehicle, laying almost all the way across the right lane.  Just beyond, were a couple cars on the shoulder with tires blown out. 
DO NOT be hostile with the claim rep.  If he denies any or all of the claim, at his level, enlist the help of your agent to appeal. 
If your coach were drivable, I'd urge you to come up here to Complete Truck Repair in Jackson.  I have much confidence in them for chassis work.
By the way, my given name is "Mark".  The MD of Mogan David (not Mogen David) merely corresponds with my initials. The screen name has nothing to do with the Star Of David either.
Mogan David
1999 U295 36'

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Reply #23
" Any suggestions how to handle this with the adjuster Mogan David "
Declare what you just posted.  That is, tell the claims rep that you had a harsh impact with something, but could not go back to see what it was.  We have all seen horrendous obstacles and hazards in the roadway.  Sometimes we do not see them in time to avoid them.  Sometimes we see them but are unable to take evasive action. Sometimes, particularly if we are close behind another large vehicle, we might feel something hit without ever seeing it at all.

When I was going through MO on the Interstate with my old Barth, on my way to CA,  I almost always stayed in the far right lane.  could only go about 60mph. The Holy Spirit told me to move to the center lane right before a curve and slight grade.  I saw no good reason to do so, but did change lanes.  As soon as I did, I came upon a massive step bumper, like off a 2 ton service vehicle, laying almost all the way across the right lane.  Just beyond, were a couple cars on the shoulder with tires blown out. 
DO NOT be hostile with the claim rep.  If he denies any or all of the claim, at his level, enlist the help of your agent to appeal. 
If your coach were drivable, I'd urge you to come up here to Complete Truck Repair in Jackson.  I have much confidence in them for chassis work.
By the way, my given name is "Mark".  The MD of Mogan David (not Mogen David) merely corresponds with my initials. The screen name has nothing to do with the Star Of David either.
Thank you for sharing your faith with us, it does inspire me.
Also I do believe honesty is the best policy and to praise god in all things. I will definitely take your advice and thanks also for that.
1994 u300

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Reply #24
Axle Surgeons called today; NO dice . They do not repair steering spindles . My  insurance adjuster will be here tomorrow.
1994 u300