95 U240 Engine Removal

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Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #50 – August 26, 2016, 07:36:47 pm

Dig a hole at edge of pavement, drop motor into hole and move coach forward.

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Reply #51 – August 26, 2016, 08:04:28 pm

This was Brett's suggestion, think about it, getting that engine out is a nightmare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXZNalT3gPY

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Reply #52 – August 27, 2016, 12:18:47 pm

Having a CAT 3116, one can imagine my interest in this thread, especially being full-time! We've had ours two years, put 2K on and have burned not a drop of oil, psi is 55, depending. She has 170K, my point being: I am blessed to have logs going back to '96 (when she had 11K), always ran Delo, and know when regular oil changes/ filters were done. My un-answered question to the OP is "what's the current mileage & is there a record of oil changes/filters." I looked in the stern bedroom again, just now and determined, once I could get the DWs collection of "stuff" out of the way, even if the electrical panels had to be removed, the engine is RIGHT THERE! Granted, the head will have to come off, but then a good look can be taken + the turbo can be removed and checked.
Something, after thirty years of working on towboat engines, doth not feel right about this.

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Reply #53 – August 28, 2016, 10:05:56 am

Quote from: mike leary – August 27, 2016, 12:18:47 pm

Having a CAT 3116, one can imagine my interest in this thread, especially being full-time! We've had ours two years, put 2K on and have burned not a drop of oil, psi is 55, depending. She has 170K, my point being: I am blessed to have logs going back to '96 (when she had 11K), always ran Delo, and know when regular oil changes/ filters were done. My un-answered question to the OP is "what's the current mileage & is there a record of oil changes/filters." I looked in the stern bedroom again, just now and determined, once I could get the DWs collection of "stuff" out of the way, even if the electrical panels had to be removed, the engine is RIGHT THERE! Granted, the head will have to come off, but then a good look can be taken + the turbo can be removed and checked.
Something, after thirty years of working on towboat engines, doth not feel right about this.

I got the 95 u240 when it had 80K miles. No knowledge before that time. At that time it used 1-2qts. per tank full of diesel. I have done all the maintenance on the MH. I have changed the oil and filter every 6K miles. I have always ran delo oil. Oil pressure has always been 38-40lbs. at 1900rpm running 60mph in 6th gear. I did get it hot one time(maybe 240) warning lights and buzzer went off. Stopped and idled, it cooled down and we went on. For the past year or 2, oil consumption went up to 1qts per 100miles. On last trip oil consumption went up to 2+ qts per 100 miles. Current mileage is 144k.

Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #54 – August 28, 2016, 10:19:13 am

Once the head comes off, you'll (and us, hopefully) will know more about this on going problem. Some diesels gobble oil, but CATs don't. I would not pull that engine, I'd say whomever suggested it had "Lazy Mechanics Syndrome". Stay in touch, good luck.

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Reply #55 – August 28, 2016, 10:21:16 am

Starting to sound like rings not seated. Wondering how many miles on the engine.
If there is no leaks, no visible blue smoke, just using oil, I would treat it like it had glazed cylinder walls.of course I could have missed something.
Have had-seen a few engines described like yours, easy cheap fix.

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Reply #56 – August 28, 2016, 11:28:35 pm

When was it discovered the cylinder/s were damaged ? Have not read where the head had been removed for inspection nor bore scoped, Guess I missed that posting or is it assumed the cylinder/s are needing repair ?
Thanks

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Reply #57 – September 14, 2016, 09:10:59 pm

Today my mechanic took the exhaust manifold off. The #5 cylinder is the only one pumping the oil. Since the engine is parent bore, it must come out to be repaired. He says he can lift the MH by the wheels/tires and drop the engine out the bottom. He also said that he may have to take the tranny out first and then the engine. Now I need to figure out which is best buy a long block or have mine machined and them new parts. I will have to pay sales tax on anything(labor, machine, parts) bought local, but anything bought out of state over Inet will be no tax. One thing is freight to ship to me. I only have one local machine shop or go to Houston,tx(150miles south, shipping cost). I don't know. What ya'll think???

Pat

The silver lining is I am about to get a new/reman engine for my Blue Angle.

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Reply #58 – September 14, 2016, 09:25:17 pm

Quote from: pthurman48 – September 14, 2016, 09:10:59 pm

Today my mechanic took the exhaust manifold off. The #5 cylinder is the only one pumping the oil. Since the engine is parent bore, it must come out to be repaired. He says he can lift the MH by the wheels/tires and drop the engine out the bottom. He also said that he may have to take the tranny out first and then the engine. Now I need to figure out which is best buy a long block or have mine machined and them new parts. I will have to pay sales tax on anything(labor, machine, parts) bought local, but anything bought out of state over Inet will be no tax. One thing is freight to ship to me. I only have one local machine shop or go to Houston,tx(150miles south, shipping cost). I don't know. What ya'll think???

Pat

The silver lining is I am about to get a new/reman engine for my Blue Angle.

Just one cylinder very possible a valve guide failed. I tore apart a DT 466 because of excessive oil consumption, only to find out it was just one bad valve guide. I could wiggle the valve back in forth using the retainer.

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Reply #59 – September 14, 2016, 09:27:46 pm

Pat,

Will say it only one more time-- there is a mobile guy who can bore and insert a liner WITH THE ENGINE IN PLACE.

Contact Mustang in Houston for details on who it is-- they sublet to him.

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Reply #60 – September 14, 2016, 10:12:33 pm

Put the exhaust manifold back on,take the valve cover off and start the engine and watch number 5 valves closely.Sounds like
all you determined is number 5 cyl using the oil,you still don't know for sure if it is the rings or the valve guides but your ready
to get a new engine.

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Reply #61 – September 14, 2016, 10:35:09 pm

Quote from: wolfe10 – September 14, 2016, 09:27:46 pm

Pat,

Will say it only one more time-- there is a mobile guy who can bore and insert a liner WITH THE ENGINE IN PLACE.

Contact Mustang in Houston for details on who it is-- they sublet to him.

My buddy did an in frame also

Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #62 – September 14, 2016, 11:01:51 pm

One cylinder may not constitute throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Further investigation may be the best option. Maybe filling the cylinder with diesel reinstall injector and carefully manually compressing the piston to determine what's leaking. But be sure to get as much diesel out after testing to prevent hydrolocking. Could be broken ring, stuck ring, or valve guides. Stuck ring or valve guides may be economically fixed. JMO. Oh yeah switch to rotella T6, a favorite of crotch rocket owners whose bikes will last 100k with the engine spinning at 8000 rpm plus. Your engine is just getting "broken in"

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Reply #63 – September 15, 2016, 04:47:00 am

If I saw a lot of oil on just thst cylinder,my next step would be pull the intake and look for signs of oil or pull the head and focus on#5 valve guide condition or crack. With head off cylinder csn be inspected and delved into farther uf needed.

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Reply #64 – September 15, 2016, 07:06:22 am

Why not remove cylinder head, drop oil pan and punch out the piston. Mic the cyl & piston. Sounds like the mechanic wants the labor to R&R the engine & trans. Doesn't want the responsibility of the in-frame. In fact a good re builder will demand a complete teardown & inspection. Re-bore all 6 Cyl, deck block surface, linebore, new cam bearings, new piston bearings, rebuild the cylinder head, new oil pump, and the list goes on, because they will have to write up a warranty for 6 six months or 6000 miles, or what ever, to make someone feel good about all the money they are spending. Take out the piston and see what is wrong! Cylinder may not be bad.

Sorry about the rant just I've been rebuilding engines for 40 Years. the right way.

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Reply #65 – September 15, 2016, 09:39:30 am

My buddy did have to redo another cylinder later in frame.

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Reply #66 – September 15, 2016, 10:16:52 am

Quote from: Caflashbob – September 15, 2016, 09:39:30 am

My buddy did have to redo another cylinder later in frame.

Why would anyone do an in frame and not do all the cylinder's, it sounds like he or the one doing the work did not know what they were doing.

Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #67 – September 15, 2016, 07:51:04 pm

Thanks for all the responses.

The engine has been using 1qts./100miles for about a year and a half. On the trip trip back from Ogden,Utah the oil consumption went to 3qts/100miles. I had to run the kittyCat hard on the Utah trip and it was hot. The kittyCat temp never ran over 210 deg. Something has gone wrong, at $85 hour you can spend a lot of money looking/dianosis. The oil is being burnt. The mechanic is willing to do what ever I want. If you take the head off and still have to pull the engine, is there any gain??? I am like the mechanic , I don't want to just bore/fix one cylinder just to have another go bad later and have twice the labor and sales tax(8.25%).

The mechanic did check the values guides and seals, no problem there.

Thanks Wolfe, I will check with Mustang Cat in Houston about the inframe bore/liner work. I still would have all 6 cylinders bored.

I wounder if he uses a torque plate to do boring?? I have read that if the machine shop does not use one that you can get a bad bore job.

I am not sure how good the local machine shop is on doing cat 3116 jobs!!! I may want to go with a reman unit from diesel engine builders.

If all things are local, the sales tax could be $1000. I would like to avoid as much tax as I can.

Pat,

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Reply #68 – September 15, 2016, 08:56:07 pm

O.K., I know nothing (even though I've worked on diesels from towboats on down for thirty years), but something still bothers me about what all the" mechanics" have said. Those are great engines, my favorite. and I had the choice when I bought this coach. Not to trash any mechanic, but have all the below done by people who JUST do this stuff.
Pull the head, have it gone through, as others have posted, it could be something simple like a valve stem. I would not think its the pump, but might as well send that in, as well, it's a cheap time to have it checked ( a lot of shops don't know if it's turbo, or not, tell them). Have the injectors sent in for cleaning. Now, you're at "the bottom of the barrel", you can see the jugs, look for scoring, oil, they should look like you could eat off them. I know I've had a lot of naysayers, but it still could be the turbo, I'd pull that and have it looked at, as well. Good news? You've got a fresh top end, which will go forever. Bad news?, Bottom end problems, big time, which I still don't think is the problem.

Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #69 – September 16, 2016, 12:39:15 am

quote"If all things are local, the sales tax could be $1000. I would like to avoid as much tax as I can."

Sorry to be so sharp but I thought the exercise was to fix the problem, taxes are something that just happen to be there all the time??? If we did not pay taxes there would be no money for roads, etc etc etc
My thoughts would be in your position that I want it fixed (without being gouged) and the rest is the way it is.
JohnH

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Reply #70 – September 16, 2016, 09:03:20 am

I am one for saving/DIY any time I can. I am retired 5 yrs. checks stay the same and everything else goes up. I agree JohnH I want the kittyCat fixed. If it was smoking, I would have tried to fix the problem when it started using 1 qts/100miles over a year ago. Looks like the only way I can save a little on the deal is for me to buy(over the Inet) parts.

Calling Mustang Cat in Houston now. Let you know about the inframe boring.

Pat,

Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #71 – September 16, 2016, 09:19:17 am

Well calling Mustang Cat in Houston did not help at all. Never heard of process or person. Still lookin

Pat,

Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #72 – September 16, 2016, 09:24:10 am

I called them last week, same thing.
John

Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #73 – September 16, 2016, 09:40:56 am

I have found a machine shop in

Haas Machine Co.
4326 Bishop Lane
Louisville, Ky 40218
P: 502-456-1132

They can do the inframe boring, but only travel 250miles radius. More info when they call me back.

Pat,

Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #74 – September 16, 2016, 09:45:42 am

This is the shops web site
Haas Machine Co.

Lots of pics,

Pat

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