95 U240 Engine Removal

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Re: 95 U240 Engine Removal

Reply #75 – September 16, 2016, 12:28:52 pm

At this point If it were mine, I would pull the head and see what is going on. If you don't have badly worn cylinders, hone and re-ring. If the cylinders are bad the head was going to come off anyway whether you did an in frame or exchange.

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Reply #76 – September 16, 2016, 12:51:37 pm

X2 Crane....The top end will have to come off anyway, and be inspected, that's the first order of business (after the turbo). I, for one,would sure want to kick the mechanic's rear if the engine had been removed and something simple was discovered, too late.

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Reply #77 – September 16, 2016, 01:00:57 pm

I talked with Tim Haas owner of Haas Machine Co. just now. Too far to come and do the inframe job. He did say he would check with another friend in Ft Worth,Tx about doing it. If the job was within 100 miles or so, the job including 6 sleeves would be $2500.00
Nice man and very helpful

Haas Machine Co.

Pat,

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Reply #78 – September 16, 2016, 01:49:01 pm

Quote from: pthurman48 – September 16, 2016, 01:00:57 pm

I talked with Tim Haas owner of Haas Machine Co. just now. Too far to come and do the inframe job. He did say he would check with another friend in Ft Worth,Tx about doing it. If the job was within 100 miles or so, the job including 6 sleeves would be $2500.00
Nice man and very helpful

Haas Machine Co.

Pat,

You don't have to pay sales tax on labor!

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Reply #79 – September 16, 2016, 02:26:51 pm

Can I make a silly question? Why not drive coach there (or close enough for them to do it)??
JohnH

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Reply #80 – September 16, 2016, 02:33:58 pm

It's not a silly question, and maybe a good idea. John, you've had a CAT 3116, any such "oil guzzle" problems?

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Reply #81 – September 16, 2016, 02:40:00 pm

none and my Brothers coach has that engine and no oil burning/loss either. I think the IRS is stealing the oil as a payback for not paying tax's??

JohnH

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Reply #82 – September 16, 2016, 03:49:16 pm

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Reply #83 – September 16, 2016, 09:41:59 pm

Steve light rolled the dice. Lots more money to do all. $600 each? Long ago memory

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Reply #84 – September 18, 2016, 09:15:39 am

Quote from: John Haygarth – September 16, 2016, 02:40:00 pm

none and my Brothers coach has that engine and no oil burning/loss either. I think the IRS is stealing the oil as a payback for not paying tax's??
JohnH

Hea JohnH,
My brother also has a 93 U-240 with the cat 3116 and we travel together all the time. On the last trip to Colorado, I used 1 qts/100 miles and his did not use any on the whole trip there and back.

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Reply #85 – September 18, 2016, 09:31:40 am

I have found all kinds of options for this problem. Most of them cost about the same amount. Long Blocks for 6600-7900 plus 400-500 shipping. Complete new military(24 volt) engine 8500 plus 500 shipping. Cat new engine 11,900 plus 500 shipping. Short blocks 6900 plus 400 shipping. Local machine shop 1500 plus 2500 parts. All options have about 6000 labor to disassemble/reassemble and remove/install. Their may be more I have not found. Shipping and tax make a lot of difference.

Pat,

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Reply #86 – September 18, 2016, 10:20:55 am

After 4 pages of posts were still at the begining as to what exactly the problem is.Beg or borrow a borescope and look at each
cylinder,you can look all the way down and see what the sides look like.Have you looked at both ends of the turbo?

If you can't do all the work yourself advertise on craiglist for a mechanic to come and do the work and interview him.There are
many out there layed off from the oilfield,you won't get the "craigslist killer".

Your going thru the 2 to 3 quarts every 100 miles,the oil is being burned thru the rings or thru valve guides.Take a compression
test with and without extra oil in each cyl and note the difference,that may tell exactly where the problem is.

Again,take the valve cover off and run engine and see how the number 5 looks,oil will not splash everywhere.These are things
that won't cost much and may save alot.

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Reply #87 – September 18, 2016, 02:36:11 pm

I remember that Ed ,the previous owner, had paid out a large sum of money on this engine. I checked the notes he gave me and back in Sept 2003 , engine hrs - 2517 and 113,491 miles he put in :
New engine block
New head
New turbo
Water pump
oil pump
Engine breather
Regulator.
I don't know what had happened to cause all this work and the file with the CB$ is in the GV so this weekend I will look the cost up.
I do know that I now have a better age engine in my 1994 GV.

I posted this 2 days ago, I looked thru the library of bills and found that the work was carried out in Sept 2003, the invoices for this work amounted to $10,959 plus he paid an additional $500 for optional insurance policy.
This was an in frame repair job

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Reply #88 – September 19, 2016, 10:48:17 am

Good Work Geoff,

Thank you so much for your response and time/research on this.

Pat,

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Reply #89 – September 19, 2016, 11:01:26 am

After duplicate repairs ,if it were mine , I would explore what it would take to install steel dry liners in the block. I do them in my dirt bike engines. Does require additional piston to cylinder clearances although.

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Reply #90 – September 19, 2016, 11:14:25 am

The turbo has been checked on both sides several times by multipul people. It is clean. There is no doubt that the oil is going thru and being burnt by #5. The mechanic has removed the value cover and checked the value guides and seals and feels that the problem is not in the head. The value guides and seals were also checked by Holt Cat a year ago and they said the problem was not in the head. At this point with that much oil consumption, the engine must come out to repair/replace. The mechanic said that the least amount of labor is complete engine, then long block, then short block. He will go any way I want to do it. So jugglin the numbers and with what Geoff found, it going to cost from 10K-15K dollars. About what I was told a year ago at Holt Cat.

Please consider this:

I found a NEW(93) military Cat 3116 here for $8500 plus $500 shipping to my mechanic. No tax. No Core, I still have my complete engine less a few items, plus a 24V starter and alternator, maybe other items left over for sale. I will have removal and installation labor. Lets talk about what could go wrong with this solution.

Pat,

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Reply #91 – September 19, 2016, 11:22:49 am

Quote from: Geoffh – September 18, 2016, 02:36:11 pm

I do know that I now have a better age engine in my 1994 GV.

Better? I'd say you have a fresh engine! I have never heard of a CAT failing so completely, but as my Grandfather used to say with his beloved Studebakers, "Buy a rig that was made on a Wednesday, Mondays the crew has hangovers, and Friday they're looking forward to starting all over".

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Reply #92 – September 19, 2016, 11:23:47 am

All I can add is make sure its the exact same and find out how long its been sitting.What is different from the military as
opposed to non-military?

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Reply #93 – September 19, 2016, 11:51:48 am

The military engine sounds like a bugle when running.

How do they call that a "new" engine when it is has obviously been running for a long time judging by the burnt paint around it??
JohnH

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Reply #94 – September 19, 2016, 11:55:32 am

Quote from: John44 – September 19, 2016, 11:23:47 am

All I can add is make sure its the exact same and find out how long its been sitting.What is different from the military as
opposed to non-military?

A lot of stationary (military?) engines were not turbo-charged. Even if it was, and has been sitting for a while, the seals in the turbo are shot (I know this, first-hand), and who knows what other seals are shot? Before we all burn-out (pun intended) on this thread, as many have said already, that head should go to a shop that does JUST that kind of work!

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Reply #95 – September 19, 2016, 12:03:14 pm

If it were mine which it is not I would not hesitate to put steel dry liners into it.

My take on this is the cylinders come out of round after use. Lose ring seal.

Measure #5. Bore gauge it.

If it's ovalized and tapered the cylinders metal is not strong enough in my unexpert opinion.

A 2mm thick steel sleeve I think was Steve lights fix. Do all six and you COULD be done forever.

No way I would redo it the same or buy new of the same.

Too much money for 80k miles use. I fix things.

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Reply #96 – September 19, 2016, 12:40:50 pm

I just looked close at that link, and looked at ours. ALL DIFFERENT! The ancillary connections are not where ours are. I'm going to assume you have a CAT 3116 ATAAC 250 H.P. like ours. If the engine came out of a FT, that would be one thing, but some mechanic is going to go nuts trying to retro that engine to FT install specs! PASS, run, don't walk, from that engine! If you really love the coach, I'd buy a couple of cases of Delo and take it down to the "Nacogdochians".

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Reply #97 – September 19, 2016, 01:41:15 pm

That military engine is probably 24v electronics. The engine pictures isnt new at all. it is filthy, the exhaust manifold has enough rust on it to make me believe it has 2000 hours on it. Stick with rebuilding what you have. you'll be better off. I'd even considering driving it to one of these shops familiar with doing an in frame on it.

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Reply #98 – September 24, 2016, 06:34:50 pm

Good Evening all,

Well now the mechanic says he CANNOT remove the engine with out cutting heavy medal. He got a guy(friend) that works on rvs at one of the local places. That guy also said that the engine will not come out with out major cutting. So now I am back to in-frame overhaul again, and after 2 days of looking for someone to do the boring, I have found a guy in Pasadena,Tx. He will travel to lufkin from pasadena and when finished the cylinders will be standard and ready to receive the pistons. I am hopeful again.

Pat,

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Reply #99 – September 24, 2016, 08:37:24 pm

Sounds like that may be your best bet,one more piece of advice,do NOT use parts other then genuine cat parts have seen most
of them and they are junk.

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