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Foretravel Sales Prices

From time to time it comes up about the value of Foretravels and NADA values. A number of Forum Members have sold their Foreteavels. either thru Foreforum classifieds, FOT or MOT. If members would post their asking price, sales price, and the NADA average value at the time of sale, then members and prospective buyers would have a better idea of the actual values. I for one think that the actual sales prices, at least for model years 2000 and newer, are a lot closer to the NADA values than most members would expect. Most Foretravels listed for sale at MOT are about 10 to 15 percent above NADA, and I would bet that none sale for the listed price.
Larry

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Reply #1 –
Larry,

  The value of a FT is what the owner has to get out of it and what a buyer is willing to pay.
I've seen older models bring as much as a five year newer coach. Milage, maintenance, add ons,
power trains, retarders, type generator and so many other things add into the price. I don't think
a seller should feel obligated to make the price additions to their sale price. When I sell I have a
number in mind and stick to it and if there is no interest then I rethink my price. Also, the final
selling is between the buyer and seller. Yes the dealers add on a commission but they usually close
to what they are asking, because when they lower the price they are cutting their commission, too.

Carter Langford
Nac

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Quote from: ltg –
From time to time it comes up about the value of Foretravels and NADA values. A number of Forum Members have sold their Foreteavels. either thru Foreforum classifieds, FOT or MOT. If members would post their asking price, sales price, and the NADA average value at the time of sale, then members and prospective buyers would have a better idea of the actual values. I for one think that the actual sales prices, at least for model years 2000 and newer, are a lot closer to the NADA values than most members would expect. Most Foretravels listed for sale at MOT are about 10 to 15 percent above NADA, and I would bet that none sale for the listed price.
Larry

As a long term Rv sales manager including a Foretravel factory store this probably won't help.

Every deal is individual.  Some customers want to negotiate.  Some have trades. Some coaches are able to be financed and warrantied which may or may not be important to the buyer.

Wrong color.  Right color.  Nice interior for the buyer.  Wrong interior for the buyer.  The right floorplan for a really experienced Rv user will probably not be liked by a Newby.

Easy $20k to completely mechanically go through a non current  unicoach.  How recent is every part?

This is a want.  Not a need except for a few. 

I would not own most of the coaches that are owned here.  My uses and experience means I like things most would not want.

How much would you add for a one in 50 mid-door?

The only ones that have a feel for the value are FOT and MOT. 

I have had many customers one way or another that are happy I charged more for my coach as the extra was added to their trade value so no one was upset by the loss of value in the trade.

Condition, condition, condition, equipement, miles, model year is the prime way to value these.

I have paid 30-40% different dollars for exactly the same coach model and year and miles.

One looked like the day it was sold in every way.  The other was heavily used and stored outdoors.

First sentence in both Kelly and NADA is "the values shown are for COMPLETELY reconditioned vehicles.  DEDUCT for reconditioning.

Every worn part, complete exterior, interior.  Then any vehicle MIGHT be worth what the guide books show.

All of us in the Rv biz used to say 'buy on NADA, sell on KELLY BLUE BOOK.

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Am I hearing Middoors are rare and therefore worth big bucks?

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Did the value of diesel pushers rise when the price of diesel went down? Will a strengthening economy cause values to rise? ...I've been thinking this for a while but haven't been paying attention so I don't know if it's actually happening.

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Quote from: NancyS –
Am I hearing Middoors are rare and therefore worth big bucks?

Not for my personal benefit as most rv'ers want a "bus." Maybe until they own one and think about it?

Maybe.  Tell me why my original coaches owner specifically ordered a mid door u320 unicoach 97'with the first red top 450 cummins and the wider 26" entry door with a screen. Multiple previous Foretravel owner as far as I understand.  Richardsons on the walk through documents. 

Almost cosmic that I as a Foretravel manager had the phone ring to ask me if I wanted this coach.  To buy out of a done deal in trade.  Did not know it was a mid door.

Plus it's a WTBI non tag coach with the kitchen on the street side and the dinette under the curbside awning. The ultimate FTX coach.  Wish I could thank CM and Marie and Ray Fore for this exact  coach.  If he they were here I know they would grin and laugh out loud.  No paint.  White gel coat.  Cm and Marie and Ray and I had many conversations about this exact design.

I walked C.M. Fore through a 91 beaver Marquis 40' in 91 at a FMCA show.  Don Shipe, the Foretravel show guy,  brought him over to me at a FMCA rally as a favor to him to have me show  him the coach. CM thanked me after showing him the coach and told me it would take many years to have him build such a coach.  He never did build the exact painted coach and only used small parts of it, if at all. He knew that the basic design as a power pedestal to power pedestal product was not what he thought most of his customers wanted.

Painted coaches and light oak interiors were northern climatic zone products made for lower sunlit hours daily.

Sorry I digress. Back to the question....

As we walked up to the coach I laughed out loud. I had no idea it was a mid door unicoach.  As a 20 year Rv sales manager and a at least 50 different rv'er coach user it was the exact coach I would have wanted after 20 years of not rv'ing.

As my DW and I mention many times about things "must have been meant to be."

Bought it knowing it would need $20k worth of fixing.  Not kidding.  We still laugh about it.







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Reading Bob's latest post a thought just occurred to me. As kids we ALWAYS came in the back door at home. And that door led right into the kitchen. The living room was "off limits" as it was saved for company.
Guess that explains the mid-door entry into the kitchen on our coach and why we are so comfortable with that arrangement. Maybe why the mid-door coaches are popular with certain generations and "bus" door are popular with the folks that grew up riding commercial buses to school, work, etc.

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Nitehawk, What an insightful observation.  I think you nailed it. 

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We always had a strong preference for a mid coach and had given up trying to find on when we came across the one we recently bought.  The reasons were more practical than cultural (I went to school in a front door bus).  When parked and spending time under the awning, eating or just sitting around with a drink, it is easier to walk right in to the kitchen with trays, food, etc.  When packing for a trip or unpacking, we don't have to walk through the living room to the bedroom and closets and when bringing in groceries, I just hand them up to Kristi who is already in the kitchen. 
There are the obvious draw backs with regard to furniture placement, fridge size and the door is in the way of basement compartments, but that is trade off we made.

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Quote from: Sven and Kristi –
We always had a strong preference for a mid coach and had given up trying to find on when we came across the one we recently bought.  The reasons were more practical than cultural (I went to school in a front door bus).  When parked and spending time under the awning, eating or just sitting around with a drink, it is easier to walk right in to the kitchen with trays, food, etc.  When packing for a trip or unpacking, we don't have to walk through the living room to the bedroom and closets and when bringing in groceries, I just hand them up to Kristi who is already in the kitchen. 
There are the obvious draw backs with regard to furniture placement, fridge size and the door is in the way of basement compartments, but that is trade off we made.

What floorplan is your 36'?

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Part of the reason why we wanted a GV rather than a newer coach was the mid-entry. It allows the navigator's seat to be even with the driver's seat. The coach was purchased to be a full-timer's coach, so loading and unloading wasn't much of an issue.

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Yeah, the passenger seat is the best seat in the house. I sit there with a beverage and listen to music as I watch people in the campground ...I'm kinda creepy that way :)

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As it relates to Fortravel sales prices, we visited a rv " palooza" today where many newer  and some brand new front engine and d pushers were for sale. All of them were 110,000 to 300,00 and I could not trade our 95 u280 for ANY of them. DW would not allow it. We saw NOTHING among many that we viewed that compared in the fit and finish of our coach. And most were much newer. Lots of them had more square footage and living area than our humble 102 by 36'

 We walked away with a much renewed love of the Foretravel Brand.  LONG LIVE THE FORETRAVEL. They may not be a Prevost but they are an AMAZING coach and I feel  privileged  to own one.

 Robert