Possible water in air filter?

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Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #25 – February 19, 2017, 07:14:50 pm

When we did fleet maintenance on our western star oil truck the recommended torque was 8 inch pounds. The western stars had air cleaners on both sides of the cab.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #26 – February 22, 2017, 07:19:58 am

"I wonder what the difference between the Donaldson DBA5024 Blue that Roger posted and the Donaldson DBA5029 Blue is?
Hmm...
Don"
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Hi Don,

I have a long standing industrial relationship with Donaldson Torit filters. The difference is shape, cone (Konepac) on the DBA5029 and round on the DBA5024.

Here are the specs on both filters; DBA5024 & DBA5029

Darrel

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #27 – February 22, 2017, 08:13:45 am

Not sure what that means, the 3 specs are the same for each filter.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #28 – February 22, 2017, 09:26:09 am

The only difference I see is in the make up of filter. One has a "spiral" strengthener and the other is a series of circumfrential rings going the length of it instead. Now, exactly which is better than other I do not know, it maybe just a way to get around the patent, but will let Daryl explain that if he is able.
JohnH

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Reply #29 – February 22, 2017, 09:45:44 am

Looks like one comes with a gasket and one doesn't.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #30 – February 22, 2017, 10:07:11 am

DBA5029 is the only replacement for the OEM filter. The DBA5024 is a reverse air filter. This information is directly from Donaldson Technical Support.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #31 – February 22, 2017, 11:23:19 am

I can't find anything on the website that says they are different. I will have to check but I think I got the DBA5024 from FilterBarn based on their cross reference at the time to the WIX filters from the Fleetguard filter. The dimensions are identical on the website. The DBA5029 says Konepac.

The OEM Fleetguard AF1838 cross references to a WIX42610
The WIX42610 cross references at the Donaldson website to P151097
The P151097 cross references to Donaldson P129396 and to Donaldson DBA 5024

Now I have no idea.

Edited ...

No I think the DBA5024 is right

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #32 – February 22, 2017, 11:37:37 am

Trying to figure out which one to order here... Roger, did the one that you ordered come with gaskets glued to both ends of the filter? I previously got one from Filterbarn that was a fleetguard and it was missing the gasket on the small end. I had to remove the gasket from the small end of the old filter and glue it onto the new one... PITA!
Don

Quote from: Roger & Susan in Home2 – February 22, 2017, 11:23:19 am

Bob may be right on this. I can't find anything on the website that says they are different. I will have to check but I think I got the DBA5024 from FilterBarn base on their cross reference at the time to the WIX filters from the Fleetguard filter. The dimensions are identical on the website. The DBA5929 says Konepac.

The OEM Fleetguard AF1838 cross references to a WIX42610
The WIX42610 cross references at the Donaldson website to P151097
The P151097 cross references to Donaldson P129396 and to Donaldson DBA 5024

Now I have no idea.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #33 – February 22, 2017, 11:44:18 am

Quote from: John Haygarth – February 22, 2017, 09:26:09 am

The only difference I see is in the make up of filter. One has a "spiral" strengthener and the other is a series of circumfrential rings going the length of it instead. Now, exactly which is better than other I do not know, it maybe just a way to get around the patent, but will let Daryl explain that if he is able.
JohnH

The patent reference I can't answer but my understanding of the benefit of the cone vs round is simply available surface area for increased filtration with the same basic footprint.

Darrel

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #34 – February 22, 2017, 11:52:56 am

I think I am going to climb the ladder and jump! Now I need to find out if the Fleetguard from Filter Barn had two gaskets or one. Beginning to realize I need to do all of this myself. Provided the filter to Tech in VA and who knows if he moved a missing gasket.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #35 – February 22, 2017, 12:02:05 pm

Beamalarm.com shows that a Donaldson P14-8043 was the OEM filter. The alternate Donaldson filter is a DBA5029. DBA5024 is not designed for the air flow direction required in our applications.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #36 – February 22, 2017, 12:38:55 pm

Beam Alarm and our manuals both spec the Donaldson P14-8043. The DBA5029 was what I came up with as well, however, the pictures of the filters on the Donaldson website (same pictures use on some of the vendors websites as well) showed a gasket loose next to the filter on 5024 but not on the 5029. That said, I think the extra gasket shown is for the cover. Both numbers have the same conical shape, and I don't think the filter housing could accommodate a straight sided cylinder shaped filter. The air travels from the outside of the cone to the inside of the cone with the smaller diameter facing the rear of the coach (small end is capped and has a gasket with a small hole within the circumference of the gasket for the restriction gauge). Both ends of the filter need gaskets as well as the lid for the filter housing. The filter medium needs to have the wire mesh or equivalent on both the inside and the outside for maximum integrity of the system. Just popping the lid off and having a look is NOT likely to introduce contamination (as long as some care is taken about where you do this, and of course the engine is not running at the time) in my opinion, as what you see when you do that is the outside of the filter and the turbo intake is at the back of the housing. Here are pictures of both filter numbers. The vendor site does't give any technical information, for that you have to look at Donaldson's page to be safe.
Don

Quote from: flite2010 – February 22, 2017, 12:02:05 pm

Beamalarm.com shows that a Donaldson P14-8043 was the OEM filter. The alternate Donaldson filter is a DBA5029. DBA5024 is not designed for the air flow direction required in our applications.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #37 – February 22, 2017, 01:05:37 pm

Thanks Don...Steph talked me down from the ladder.

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Reply #38 – February 22, 2017, 01:30:57 pm

Look at the pictures of both of them and you will see that the one on right has a top gasket installed and the one on left does not show any (as far as I can see) #24 has it #29 does not.
JohnH

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #39 – February 22, 2017, 01:35:27 pm

I noticed that too John, however it also appeared that there was possibly a slight difference in the angle of the shot. In any case, there is no clear indication either way. Hopefully this thread will eventually result in some first hand knowledge of the subject!
Don

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #40 – February 22, 2017, 03:13:54 pm

Since Filter Barn stopped carrying our favorite filters, we looked around and purchased on Amazon Prime $43.42 Lubrifiner LAF-9396 air filter, which is perfect. Metal mesh in & out, Filterminder vent hole in small end, attached foam gaskets on both ends of filter and new cover foam gasket in package. And now we get 7 MPG. (whereas previously we only got 7 MPG)

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #41 – February 22, 2017, 03:23:21 pm

Here is what the Beam site says for filters for my 2001 coach, yours may be different.

Cummins put in a WIX 42610 when they did mine. The Donaldson is still sealed in a plastic bag and in the box at home so I cannot look at it. It is a DBA 5024 which is definitely cone shaped.

This was confirmed by Dave M, bless his heart. ❤️

It came from Filter Products. See their cross ref for the DBA5024

http://www.filterspro.com/detail_2.cfm?part=2671687

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #42 – February 22, 2017, 04:01:57 pm

Before I would believe one thing or another from hear say you should take a damp rag and slide under your coach and scrub off the grime on the filter can tag. Yes all filter cans came with a tag that spec. the filter that was needed for that filter can. I don't have a pic of one with me and we are away from our coach or I would post a pic as to what you are looking for. Most coaches that we have looked at the tag is about 6" in front of the duct bill drain.

Pamela & Mike

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #43 – February 22, 2017, 04:06:54 pm

So Barry's mileage stayed the same?

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #44 – February 22, 2017, 05:12:50 pm

Mine says P14-8043 which coincidently is what I put inside. had to crawl under the back and it is around 90f here so need a beer now, that was hot work.

JohnH

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #45 – February 22, 2017, 06:08:16 pm

Which agrees with my owners manual and with the Beam Alarm site, which also lists the Fleetguard AF1838M. However, Donaldson's own website lists the DBA5029 as the cross from the P148043 (Donaldsn's site doesn't like the dash) but I can't find any information about gasket VS no gasket. Did you take a picture of the housing part number while you were there John?
Don

Quote from: John Haygarth – February 22, 2017, 05:12:50 pm

Mine says P14-8043 which coincidently is what I put inside. had to crawl under the back and it is around 90f here so need a beer now, that was hot work.
JohnH

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #46 – February 22, 2017, 06:16:27 pm

In the links to the filter the one ending in #24 style is round the one ending in #29 style is cone. You have to read the whole spec.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #47 – February 22, 2017, 06:20:07 pm

The air filter in my coach that failed causing severe engine damage was a Luber-Finer LAF9396. It was installed by the PO shortly before we bought it. Cheaper. No interior mesh.

Look at the Donaldson details for the Blue Filters

http://www.donaldson.com/content/dam/donaldson/engine-hydraulics-bulk/literature/north-america/donaldson-blue/F111417-ENG/Donaldson-Blue-Filtration-Overview.pdf

I am sticking with what I have. I think it is the correct one.

You might choose something else.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #48 – February 22, 2017, 06:42:11 pm

Link to the spec you are referring to? Here is a picture of a page from the Donaldson catalog that lists the DBA5024 under the EBA Konepac Service Parts & Accessories section.

Quote from: craneman – February 22, 2017, 06:16:27 pm

In the links to the filter the one ending in #24 style is round the one ending in #29 style is cone. You have to read the whole spec.

Re: Possible water in air filter?

Reply #49 – February 22, 2017, 06:51:14 pm

Thanks Don.

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