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Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #50
That air leak is probably the reason for the amount of water you got out of the drain valve for the air tank
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
1999 Mazda Miata
Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #51
Hi friends.  Here's a quick update on the PPI.  We were supposed to have the PPI yesterday but we had to reschedule for later today because we were running late getting to Nac. yesterday.  Here are the items I found in the last 2 days of poking, prodding and driving:

Aqua Hot Zone 3 No heat
Antenna, CB - broken
Batteries, coach
Batteries, starting
Dash Air Conditioner not cooling properly
Brake, parking brake not holding coach when tranny in D or R
HWH bladder manifold valve leak
Window blind repair, passenger side living room
Polarity panel in kitchen inoperative
Potty fan exterior cover missing
Satellite -- obsolete?
Strut, bed platform, disconnected
Struts, cabinet door, worn out
Wiper blades, replace
Silverleaf weather station inoperative
Surround sound - Bose no sound
Faucet leak, kitchen

More to come!
Mark
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #52
My coach had the issue when the brake was engaged it would still lurch forward. Found the rear seal was leaking around the brake and everything was covered in grease.. the rotor was sheared all the way around the hub area and was not working at all.. Replaced the seal and new rear brakes and back to holding and stopping as needed.

Other than that.. good luck.. Kinda exciting for us to be involved with your walk through. Thanks for posting

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #53

No "gulps"from the peanut gallery, does not mean the coach is junk, it's just what you need to plan for with a older coach. We used to think, that setting aside 10CBs would work for "incidentals". In a conversation with a forum member the other day, we both agreed, with the labor and parts costs these days, 20CBs would be more "to the times."  Hang in here!  ^.^d
1993 U-240 "La Villa Grande"..CAT 3116 w/ Pacbrake PRXB...Allison 3060 6-speed..
Previous: 1983 Airstream 310 turbo diesel, 1979 Airstream 280 turbo diesel
                                      Build # 4297
                                      PNW natives
                      Home base:  'Cactus Hug' (Ajo, Arizona)
                        DW Judy & Chet the wonder dog
                        Full-Timers 'Sailing the asphalt sea'

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #54
No surprises there Mark and no big, giant ticket items either.  Tires and batteries are negotiating points.  If the seller wants top dollar they should be new or the price reduced to cover them.  AH issue is not a big one.  HWH leak is not big. Dash AC might be some work. The rest of it is like normal stuff.  How bad do you want to use your CB? Bose could be simple wiring. TV stuff you will probably want state of the art.

If the guts are good ... make a fair offer for both of you.

So all of the list aside, does it just grab you and the DW? Are the colors good? does it just say home? You have to want it too.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #55
Pretty standard FT list of items to touch up right there.  Dash A/C is your wild card.  Could be $400 to fix, or it could go out a few weeks after every fix for the next half decade and cost $7000 for a non-working unit (as it did for the POs of our coach).

However, there is an easy workaround for that expense.  If the temperature is too hot for windows-open driving to keep us cool, we just fire up the generator while driving and turn on the roof A/C units.  Works almost as well, and I'll gladly pay for the extra 10 gallons of diesel a year over trying to fix what some might consider a redundant system (and one that seems to have more frequent issues than almost all other coach systems, at that).
James
w/ DW Erin, sons Gideon and Tobias, cats Oscar & Oliver
Fulltime 1999 U270 34' #5508

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #56
Add in fuel lines and examine the air bags closely.

At 100k miles the valves and injectors need adjusting.

"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #57
Pretty standard FT list of items to touch up right there.  Dash A/C is your wild card.  Could be $400 to fix, or it could go out a few weeks after every fix for the next half decade and cost $7000 for a non-working unit (as it did for the POs of our coach).

However, there is an easy workaround for that expense.  If the temperature is too hot for windows-open driving to keep us cool, we just fire up the generator while driving and turn on the roof A/C units.  Works almost as well, and I'll gladly pay for the extra 10 gallons of diesel a year over trying to fix what some might consider a redundant system (and one that seems to have more frequent issues than almost all other coach systems, at that).
Agree.  The other benefit of using the coach roof A/C, especially in the mountains, is you are not using any precious engine power to keep cool.
Jennifer
2003 36' U295 (# 6070)
Thousand Oaks, CA

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Reply #58
  Dash A/C is your wild card.  trying to fix what some might consider a redundant system (and one that seems to have more frequent issues than almost all other coach systems, at that).

X2....I've had dash air "issues" on all of our coaches. My files show this one has been gone through, but I don't show a $ amount or what was done. Suffice to say, I am "gun shy" about running it, which is stupid, but the above mentioned suggestions are what I do.
1993 U-240 "La Villa Grande"..CAT 3116 w/ Pacbrake PRXB...Allison 3060 6-speed..
Previous: 1983 Airstream 310 turbo diesel, 1979 Airstream 280 turbo diesel
                                      Build # 4297
                                      PNW natives
                      Home base:  'Cactus Hug' (Ajo, Arizona)
                        DW Judy & Chet the wonder dog
                        Full-Timers 'Sailing the asphalt sea'

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #59
Add in fuel lines and examine the air bags closely.


I looked over the airbags.  To my novice eye, they appear checked, but we shall see what the inspector says!

Mark
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #60
X2....I've had dash air "issues" on all of our coaches. My files show this one has been gone through, but I don't show a $ amount or what was done. Suffice to say, I am "gun shy" about running it, which is stupid, but the above mentioned suggestions are what I do.

Yeah, I've driven old Mercedes in the 15-20 year age range and it was always challenging to keep old AC's cooling.    I'm not willing to chase this too hard.  Especially with 3 great roof top AC's.

Mark
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #61
....I'll gladly pay for the extra 10 gallons of diesel a year over trying to fix what some might consider a redundant system (and one that seems to have more frequent issues than almost all other coach systems, at that).

Agreed.  I was wondering what the hourly diesel consumption is under load.
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #62
No surprises there Mark and no big, giant ticket items either.  Tires and batteries are negotiating points.  If the seller wants top dollar they should be new or the price reduced to cover them.  AH issue is not a big one.  HWH leak is not big. Dash AC might be some work. The rest of it is like normal stuff.  How bad do you want to use your CB? Bose could be simple wiring. TV stuff you will probably want state of the art.

If the guts are good ... make a fair offer for both of you.

So all of the list aside, does it just grab you and the DW? Are the colors good? does it just say home? You have to want it too.
Roger,

It does say home! What's more, the current owner is agreeable to deducting the estimated cost of repairs from the purchase price.  Tires are 2 years old, Michelins.  Agreed on the audio video equipment plus that's what I do for a living so no sweat. 

Mark
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #63
My coach had the issue when the brake was engaged it would still lurch forward. Found the rear seal was leaking around the brake and everything was covered in grease.. the rotor was sheared all the way around the hub area and was not working at all.. Replaced the seal and new rear brakes and back to holding and stopping as needed.

Other than that.. good luck.. Kinda exciting for us to be involved with your walk through. Thanks for posting
Drove the coach from west TX to east TX yesterday.  Today the brakes seem super solid.  Almost as though exercising them and/or getting the surface rust off the rotors helped?  No creeping today at all when the parking brake is engaged and tranny is in gear.

Thanks for the encouragement.  Am I posting too much?  If yes I can tone it down.  Just excited.
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #64
Your coach is newer than mine, but on ours the main thermostat controls 2 zones and a separate thermostat located in the bathroom controls the 3rd zone.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #65
Your coach is newer than mine, but on ours the main thermostat controls 2 zones and a separate thermostat located in the bathroom controls the 3rd zone.
The one we're looking at has one thermostat above the driver's left shoulder that has temp sensors in the front, mid-coach, and in the rear.
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #66
In mode setting are you seeing 3 zones?
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #67
The one we're looking at has one thermostat above the driver's left shoulder that has temp sensors in the front, mid-coach, and in the rear.

Look for white thermostat in the bathroom for the bathroom zone.  It looks like a furnace thermostat, not the Dometic multi-button.  There will be a switch on top to turn it on (push to left for on, click to right for off), and another slider on the bottom for the temperature.
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #68
In mode setting are you seeing 3 zones?

Yes, sir!  3 zones.  Able to control all three from the the one multi-zone thermostat.

Look for white thermostat in the bathroom for the bathroom zone.  It looks like a furnace thermostat, not the Dometic multi-button.  There will be a switch on top to turn it on (push to left for on, click to right for off), and another slider on the bottom for the temperature.

No thermostat seen in the bath area.

Here's a pic of the thermostat.  It's a Dometic Duo-Therm.  In the bottom of the LCD display you can see the 3 zone indicators.
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #69
Yes, sir!  3 zones.  Able to control all three from the the one multi-zone thermostat.

No thermostat seen in the bath area.

Here's a pic of the thermostat.  It's a Dometic Duo-Therm.  In the bottom of the LCD display you can see the 3 zone indicators.

Neat - our 40 footer had a separate bath thermostat (because there were only 2 roof units, so no "zone 3" for A/C or heat pump)

When you say the the AquaHot doesn't work on zone 3, do the bath area blowers come on but no heat comes out, or do the blowers not come on at all? 
Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #70
Neat - our 40 footer had a separate bath thermostat (because there were only 2 roof units, so no "zone 3" for A/C or heat pump)

When you say the the AquaHot doesn't work on zone 3, do the bath area blowers come on but no heat comes out, or do the blowers not come on at all? 


Zone 1 = Dash, LR, Kitchen
Zone 2 = Bathroom
Zone 3 = Bedroom.

When the thermostat is calling for heat in zone 3 the fan in the bedroom comes on but the air never gets warm.  I'm guessing either zone 3's solenoid-operated valve or circulation pump may be the culprit.  But that's just head knowledge from reading the manuals and the forum, no actual experience yet.

BTW we're in the middle of the PPI.

Mark
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #71
Mark,

    First off there are many more used coaches out here that the dash air does not work on than do.

When a coach owner gets faced by too many items to repair, that they have lived with or were not

aware of they can get aggravated and decide to just not sell the coach and then look for another

buyer that is less picky on their coach. Everyone has a figure that they have to have out of their MH

to sell it. When that number is chopped lower and lower it can make them decide to keep it.

Remember if there were major problems they would probably have repaired it, as they did put

on new tires. This is a used coach and a buyer has to understand that not everything is going

to be perfect. Just do not want you miss getting a good coach.

Carter-

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Reply #72

Zone 1 = Dash, LR, Kitchen
Zone 2 = Bathroom
Zone 3 = Bedroom.

When the thermostat is calling for heat in zone 3 the fan in the bedroom comes on but the air never gets warm.  I'm guessing either zone 3's solenoid-operated valve or circulation pump may be the culprit.  But that's just head knowledge from reading the manuals and the forum, no actual experience yet.

BTW we're in the middle of the PPI.

Mark
Or could just be "air bound" and needs vented.
Old Phart Phred, EIEIO
89 GV ored 36' #3405 300 hp cat 3208 ATAAC side radiator, mountain tamer exhaust brake

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #73
I'm guessing either zone 3's solenoid-operated valve or circulation pump may be the culprit.
 

The check valve for zone 3 may also be stuck closed.  A gentle tap on the valve body may get the flapper loose.

Pamela & Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: 2003 U320 PPI Questions

Reply #74
...This is a used coach and a buyer has to understand that not everything is going

to be perfect. Just do not want you miss getting a good coach.

Carter-
Carter, -- that's good advice. 

Thanks!
Mark Duckworth
2003 U320 4220
Build 6199, Motorcade 17971