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Reply #25
  Welcome ,
 Please help me out as a fellow newb. Is the Chevy Engine front or rear?  I have both spec sheets  on the beamer site .  There is a rear  engined Chevy Rat  GV down the road from me at another shop. It also has a tag.    What Chassis is the rear engine gas?

  If it is a  front engine, P30 chassis , flush the hydraulics/rebuild the calipers  if stuck.
 Check out the parking brake system .  I serviced a P 30 front engined RV for a few years  and the common issues were the parking brake  pump fails and the bus wont move ,  do a little preemptive investigation. It is a large drum brake on the rear of the trans.
 The "Banks headers/ intake "  helped a ton on power. 0to 60 went from 22sec to about 17. Fuel use went from 7.5 to 8.2. 
 The heat issues are real ,the oil filter is near the headers, exhaust and a shield helps .  Cold air intake helps.  Nice big exhaust( if not Banks)  will have a nice return.  IMHO. 
 If you get tired of the Rat, many of the FMC guys are swapping the  Duramax/Allison into the smaller FMC coaches . 
 Thanks for taking the time to post here .  There seems to be a huge cross section of social/economic/demographic backgrounds here.  All very nice . 


I have no idea which how to answer your question about the chassis. But mine is definitely a front engine with a tag axle.

Thanks for the tips on the brakes. I'll add that to my list of things to check out. Same with the headers.

 I'll have my brother look at the heat issues with me. The engine doesn't seem to overheat. Even driving over mountains getting it home. So I'm not sure what to make of that.

I'm not sure what you mean by "If you get tired of the rat". But I'm excited to know you can swap the transmission. Can you get an extra gear by going to the Allison? The one in it only has three gears. Though I've been told the transmission is a beast... very strong.
Husband & Wife Team. 3 Kids. 8 yo boy, 4 yo girl, 19 mth girl. Mostly Finished Renovating 1986 Grand Villa 3300 GVF SBI for a multi year trip around the country with the kids.

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Reply #26
I'm not sure what you mean by "If you get tired of the rat". But I'm excited to know you can swap the transmission. Can you get an extra gear by going to the Allison? The one in it only has three gears. Though I've been told the transmission is a beast... very strong.
"RAT" = common nickname for a "big block" Chevy/GM engine.  Your 454 is a rat engine.

Duramax/Allison swap:  This would involve removing your existing gas engine and transmission, and replacing it with a diesel engine and trans.  The Allison automatic may be 5 or 6-speed.  Swapping a gas engine for diesel engine is expensive, but can yield big gains in power/economy.

Duramax Buyer's Guide: How To Pick The Best GM Diesel | DrivingLine

Another option, if your existing engine is in good shape, and you are happy with the power level, is to add a Gear Vendors Under/Overdrive unit to your 3-speed transmission.  Can give you a more flexible range of transmission gears, and may improve gas mileage.  Still expensive, but cheaper than a complete engine/trans swap.

Gear Vendors Under/Overdrive Motorhome, RV's 3-Speed Automatic with Parking...
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #27
Welcome to the group.  We are also neighbors down in Poway.  It sounds like you have a good eye for detail and are willing to do the work.  I've found that this is the best way to learn about your rig.  The biggest investment you will ever make is in the memories you create with the kids while they are young.  Getting a motorhome is a great way to do it.  Good luck and we look forward to hearing about your adventures.
2000 U320 mid entry  #5688
2006 Jeep Liberty


USMCR retired
SDFD retired
FEMA US&R TF8

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Reply #28
And, also, welcome to OUR neighborhood---owners of Foretravel coaches built in the 80s. :))
We even "allow" owners of newer coaches in. Why? Because many of them have been thru our neighborhood and have so very much to offer in the way of knowledge and experience. ^.^d
It is always a pleasure to see someone take one of these "sleeping beauties" and bring her back to life.
Good bones are worth saving and these ladies are beautiful when they have been treated to some loving care.
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD

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Reply #29
Chevys were notorious for exhaust manifold leaks.  Probably fixed long ago.

End exhaust manifold bolts would break off from the manifold growing from heat cycles

"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #30
We have some friends with a B.B.Q. special that they got sick of. Found a fresh Duramax/Allison in a recently totaled pick-up.
He and his Dad are mechanics with a full shop and lift, so the labor was free. They love it after fooling with the install, wiring, etc.
He kept track of the costs (and what their labor would have been) and figured the whole change-out (including the engine/trans) done by a reputable shop would have been around 20 CBs. That is one sweet combination, though!  ^.^d
1993 U-240 "La Villa Grande"..CAT 3116 w/ Pacbrake PRXB...Allison 3060 6-speed..
Previous: 1983 Airstream 310 turbo diesel, 1979 Airstream 280 turbo diesel
                                      Build # 4297
                                      PNW natives
                      Home base:  'Cactus Hug' (Ajo, Arizona)
                        DW Judy & Chet the wonder dog
                        Full-Timers 'Sailing the asphalt sea'

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Reply #31
Does this look like your coach?
This article indicates that coaches with the Chevy 454 have a Roadmaster Chassis.
But this link talks about Roadmaster being purchased by Monaco from Chrysler in 1984:  Diesel Pusher Motorhome Chassis Comparison
This brings up more questions than answers in regards to your chassis.

Did your coach come with an owners manual (or binders)?  They should indicate what chassis you have.
Also is there any logo on the steering wheel?  or ignition key?
The transmission shift control, dash instruments and controls, parking brake, gas and brake pedals are all typically chassis supplier parts that might give you a hint at who the manufacture is.
John Fitzgerald
1991 U300 (SAI) Side Aisle Island Bed 40'
Detroit 6V92 with Allison Retarder
Meridian (Boise), Idaho

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Reply #32
You can swap it for a diesel? That's awesome. I'd totally do that if the engine was bad. I'll be sure to post pics of the interior work. :)

you could probably do a 454 to Cummins 5.9 12v diesel. Anything newer with a computer would be... challenging.
I talk like some authority, but my contribution to the swap in my coach was looking in the engine bay and saying OH WOW A DIESEL.
The 7.3 IDI in mine adds about 200 pounds more weight, more reliability and theoretically double the fuel economy. I haven't tested that yet.  I'm still about a week away from getting mine on the road. It came in a bit worse shape than yours.

Oh, and the 7.3IDI was supposed to be a direct swap from the ford 460. i think you would need some engine mount work for a cummins. I know nothing about the Duramax, so I can't ad anything there.
1986 36' Grand Villa OREG converted to 7.3 IDI diesel

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Reply #33
Did'nt the medieval alchemests know how to create gold???
96 U270 BUILD 4810
85 380SL
Drummonds TN.

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Reply #34
Did'nt the medieval alchemests know how to create gold???
Lol. Yes and that's actually why I have the Screenname. My business is marketing. I tell my clients that good marketing is like modern day alchemy... it allows you to turn your words into gold. :)
Husband & Wife Team. 3 Kids. 8 yo boy, 4 yo girl, 19 mth girl. Mostly Finished Renovating 1986 Grand Villa 3300 GVF SBI for a multi year trip around the country with the kids.

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Reply #35
Welcome to the group.  We are also neighbors down in Poway.  It sounds like you have a good eye for detail and are willing to do the work.  I've found that this is the best way to learn about your rig.  The biggest investment you will ever make is in the memories you create with the kids while they are young.  Getting a motorhome is a great way to do it.  Good luck and we look forward to hearing about your adventures.
Thanks for the welcome. I've been really enjoying working on the rig so far. Even if it's a pain in the ass. Lol. Can't wait to get on the road with the kids.
Husband & Wife Team. 3 Kids. 8 yo boy, 4 yo girl, 19 mth girl. Mostly Finished Renovating 1986 Grand Villa 3300 GVF SBI for a multi year trip around the country with the kids.

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Reply #36
And, also, welcome to OUR neighborhood---owners of Foretravel coaches built in the 80s. :))
We even "allow" owners of newer coaches in. Why? Because many of them have been thru our neighborhood and have so very much to offer in the way of knowledge and experience. ^.^d
It is always a pleasure to see someone take one of these "sleeping beauties" and bring her back to life.
Good bones are worth saving and these ladies are beautiful when they have been treated to some loving care.

Glad to be here. I specially wanted a Grand Villa. I love the shape. Love the look. Love how the insides were made. I'm so glad to have gotten a 33 footer. Seems like the perfect size. Not too big. Not too small. Can't wait to bring it back to it's glory days with a little effort.
Husband & Wife Team. 3 Kids. 8 yo boy, 4 yo girl, 19 mth girl. Mostly Finished Renovating 1986 Grand Villa 3300 GVF SBI for a multi year trip around the country with the kids.

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Reply #37
Chevys were notorious for exhaust manifold leaks.  Probably fixed long ago.

End exhaust manifold bolts would break off from the manifold growing from heat cycles

I have "Cherry Bombers" On the exhaust. Not sure what those are... but it makes the exhaust sound dumb and loud. Probably part of the "fixed long ago" thing.
Husband & Wife Team. 3 Kids. 8 yo boy, 4 yo girl, 19 mth girl. Mostly Finished Renovating 1986 Grand Villa 3300 GVF SBI for a multi year trip around the country with the kids.

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Reply #38
I talk like some authority, but my contribution to the swap in my coach was looking in the engine bay and saying OH WOW A DIESEL.

Lol. That's about how I do engine stuff... *opens up the engine bay*... "OH LOOK... AN ENGINE!"

That's why I have my brother and dad around. I mean, I know how to get myself dirty and fix things that need fixing. But I'm just not an engine guy.
Husband & Wife Team. 3 Kids. 8 yo boy, 4 yo girl, 19 mth girl. Mostly Finished Renovating 1986 Grand Villa 3300 GVF SBI for a multi year trip around the country with the kids.

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Reply #39
I have "Cherry Bombers" On the exhaust. Not sure what those are... but it makes the exhaust sound dumb and loud.
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1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #40
you could probably do a 454 to Cummins 5.9 12v diesel. Anything newer with a computer would be... challenging.
I talk like some authority, but my contribution to the swap in my coach was looking in the engine bay and saying OH WOW A DIESEL.
The 7.3 IDI in mine adds about 200 pounds more weight, more reliability and theoretically double the fuel economy. I haven't tested that yet.  I'm still about a week away from getting mine on the road. It came in a bit worse shape than yours.
Oh, and the 7.3IDI was supposed to be a direct swap from the ford 460. i think you would need some engine mount work for a cummins. I know nothing about the Duramax, so I can't ad anything there.
Yes, you would need to check the bell housing for compatibility and engine mounts would have to be fabricated.

Totally get rid of the 7.3 IDIs spin on fuel filter, fuel heater, etc, etc. It's notorious for causing air leaks in at least a half dozen spots. Go to NAPA and buy a spin on filter and mount and then run hoses to the engine. I also installed a 12V Facet fuel pump. The round type not the square one. Mount where you can easily get to it to change filters.

The 7.3 did double the fuel mileage.

Watch for overheating when you first get it going.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #41
Regarding your ice maker....

U-Line Refrigerator Ice Maker Assembly 80-54372-00 | RepairClinic.com

Not inexpensive but well worth it to us. I use a lot of ice and I wanted mine to work, which now it does!

Can a less expensive ice maker be adapted to fit?
Refrigerator Ice Maker Assembly IM116000 | RepairClinic.com

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Reply #42
Welcome. Show us pictures.
Ding some updates on ours too.
Chris
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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Reply #43
Or free up some space and use this.Igloo Compact Ice Maker, Black - Walmart.com
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #44
For what it is worth: We bought an Igloo Ice Maker two years ago.
It got constant use making ice to put on the DW's right knee after her knee replacement surgery. And It held up admirably!
Definitely worth the price.
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD

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Reply #45
We put Thorley (sp) headers on our 454 in a South Wind from another generation. Got rid of a lot of heat and really improved the performance plus that great header rumble.
Larry
1996 U295 36'
Build # 4805
Actually we sold it but just like to lurk

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Reply #46
The Doug Thorley headers are Cal. certified for smog also. If installed according to instructions.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean

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Reply #47
UPDATE: We have finished a lot of the stuff on our checklist.

√ - Remove all vinyl decals from the outside of the coach. Wet-sanding and buffing is next.
√ - Plumbing under the bed finished
√ - Plumbing under the sink finished (replaced water filter with new one)
√ - Valances have had their fabric updated and curtains are being made. Should be done today. Valances look fantastic now.
√ - RV is packed and ready to move into. :)

I'll update with more pictures soon.

Husband & Wife Team. 3 Kids. 8 yo boy, 4 yo girl, 19 mth girl. Mostly Finished Renovating 1986 Grand Villa 3300 GVF SBI for a multi year trip around the country with the kids.

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Reply #48

Our ice maker went south last year. We replaced it with Amazon.com: Sunpentown IM-150US Stainless Steel Undercounter Ice Maker with... and have been very happy with it. It was almost a direct drop-in. I only had to remove one small piece of trim wood and seal up the drain hole in the new freezer. The fan is much noisier but you get used to it.

If you get too worn out on your project you might want to consider taking your coach to "Rocky Point" (Puerto Penasco), Mexico. Its only 90 miles south of the border and a very safe area. I understand you can get much of the body work and upholstery done very inexpensively in Mexico.

Best of luck on your project.

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Locust Grove, OK
1993 U300 SSE 40' (Restored at FOT 2009) Build 4323
720 watts Solar
6V92TA DDEC Silver Engine
2014 Subaru Outback

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Reply #49
Another update on progress:

√ - Bathroom re-caulked
√ - Redid plumbing for freshwater intake. Had a small drip leak.
√ - Hinged and added gas powered lifts to the bed. Now it's not a pain in the Pa-tooty to open and close.
√ - Propane leak fixed
√ - BBQ Attachment added to propane bay
√ - Water heater sensors replaced
√ - Water heater spark assembly replaced
√ - Removed ice-maker (water supply line was snapped in half... and didn't want to figure out how to re-run it from the bathroom, under the floor in the master, and back up into the wall on the other side to fix it. So I took it out. Finished the inside of the cabinet. And put in a slide drawer in the bottom of it that our laundry basket fits onto. We will made a new matching Teak wood cabinet door for it eventually... when I decide I want to spend $135 for teak wood to make the door).
√ - Crack in generator muffler repaired
√ - Full generator service completed (new voltage regulator board installed with proper sized fuze, new spark plugs, new oil filter, new oil, new air filter, and some new screws to hold it all together). Works beautifully now.
√ - Air Bags on tag axles replaced.
√ - Air Leak in tag axle system fixed
√ - Temp switch for Air Compressor installed until new pressure switch arrives.


I think that's it for now. We did all of this while living and working in it full time.

Only have a few more functional updates to get done.
- Carburetor adjustment for smog (and license in CA)
- New pressure switch installed for Tag Axle system (plus remove my temp override switch)
- Figure out why my Water Heater still won't light up despite having new sensors and sparker. Probably the Gas Solenoid Valve.
- New Door Latches... which I found at vintage trailer supply for $20 less per latch than Foretravel. Baggage Door Pop Lock. I still need $460 worth of them though... so It's gonna wait until other things are finished.

Then we can move onto cosmetic stuff like the new floor, new couch upholstery, and new decals on the outside.
Husband & Wife Team. 3 Kids. 8 yo boy, 4 yo girl, 19 mth girl. Mostly Finished Renovating 1986 Grand Villa 3300 GVF SBI for a multi year trip around the country with the kids.