Towing With Both Axles

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Towing With Both Axles

May 28, 2017, 07:31:04 pm

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – May 28, 2017, 03:16:17 pm

If you need a tow, best is to pull both axles, driveline next. Don't let them tow pulling just one axle. Hope you can get a EZ fix so no tow is needed. Hopefully just a connector has vibrated loose. Good luck.

Pierce

I've read the above a number of times. What does this mean?
Mark

Re: Towing With Both Axles

Reply #1 – May 28, 2017, 07:35:48 pm

The rear axle has a shaft on each side that connects each wheel to the differential. The axle shafts need to be pulled (by removing the bolts at the center hub of the wheels) so that the transmission isn't damaged by towing. It is best to remove both shafts so that the differential doesn't spin while being towed.

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Reply #2 – May 28, 2017, 07:48:09 pm

Is this something the tow drivers can do when asked? A common task? Or something we as coach owners need to to before we let them tow us?

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Reply #3 – May 28, 2017, 07:58:51 pm

Dave, please elaborate. Do I recall you have to have a plate or something to screw over the axle opening to keep oil in?

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Reply #4 – May 28, 2017, 08:00:06 pm

Tow drivers will try to get away with only pulling one axle. But if you tell them that there might be differential damage that way they should pull both. They might only carry one cover though.

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Reply #5 – May 28, 2017, 08:01:24 pm

Gotcha, thus the covers that were posted. What about those of us with tags? Leave it down or raise it?

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Reply #6 – May 28, 2017, 08:09:50 pm

I can speak from experience, towed twice. The best tow is a low-boy flatbed, no worries about tyranny damage or frame damage, but more expensive. Good Sam won't cover a flatbed, we paid $700 additional. Most tow drivers have never heard of Foretravel, and assume all big motorhomes have a full beam frame. If a Foretravel is strap bumper lifted you will risk damaging your bulkheads. If they can axle lift you are OK. Our second tow was a front axle lift, and they pulled the differential drive shaft.

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Reply #7 – May 28, 2017, 08:27:57 pm

Quote from: Mark Duckworth – May 28, 2017, 08:01:24 pm

Gotcha, thus the covers that were posted. What about those of us with tags? Leave it down or raise it?

Shouldn't be a problem either way. But as Peter posted a flat bed would be best. I am not sure about 42' flat trailers though

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Reply #8 – May 28, 2017, 08:35:25 pm

I've been told you can make temporary covers using cardboard.

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Reply #9 – May 28, 2017, 08:45:44 pm

Quote from: Mark Duckworth – May 28, 2017, 07:48:09 pm

Is this something the tow drivers can do when asked? A common task? Or something we as coach owners need to to before we let them tow us?

A good tow driver should know how but it would be best for the owner to know how to do it--just in case.

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Reply #10 – May 28, 2017, 08:47:58 pm

Quote from: Michael & Jackie – May 28, 2017, 07:58:51 pm

Dave, please elaborate. Do I recall you have to have a plate or something to screw over the axle opening to keep oil in?

A cover should be used. Thankfully our previous owner included a pair with the motorhome

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Reply #11 – May 28, 2017, 11:14:21 pm

Quote from: D.J. Osborn – May 28, 2017, 08:47:58 pm

A cover should be used. Thankfully our previous owner included a pair with the motorhome

So are you actually pulling out the entire shaft on each side of the drive axle and then covering the shaft location with a plate cover? Where can we get covers? Can they be bought or made up?

John M.

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Reply #12 – May 29, 2017, 01:41:22 am

John, google "axel cover"

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Reply #13 – May 29, 2017, 07:13:34 am

Quote from: John Morales – May 28, 2017, 11:14:21 pm

So are you actually pulling out the entire shaft on each side of the drive axle and then covering the shaft location with a plate cover? Where can we get covers? Can they be bought or made up?

John M.

Howdy John, Here's a link to the part numbers, includes some pics. Axle Caps (split from Going down highway and white smoke coming out)
Good Luck, Dave A

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Reply #14 – May 29, 2017, 08:20:35 am

Thanks Dave ! I appreciate the response and help. I learn something new everyday from this forum. Thank you everyone!
John M

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Reply #15 – May 29, 2017, 09:42:53 am

So...........Do I need 2 sets (4 covers) with a tag axle?

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Reply #16 – May 29, 2017, 09:56:48 am

Tag axle isn't a drive axle, nothing to pull or worry about.

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Reply #17 – May 29, 2017, 10:00:14 am

FWIW, While waiting for tow truck a couple of years ago (just outside Flagstaff), I read owners manual for our 03 and removing drive shaft was recommended. Without input from me the tow truck driver removed the driveshaft and lifted by front axle.

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Reply #18 – May 29, 2017, 10:04:17 am

Quote from: Bill B – May 29, 2017, 10:00:14 am

FWIW, While waiting for tow truck a couple of years ago (just outside Flagstaff), I read owners manual for our 03 and removing drive shaft was recommended. Without input from me the tow truck driver removed the driveshaft and lifted by front axle.

Did you raise it and put the safety blocks in? If not he was taking a big risk. That is why the axles are easier to remove and accomplish the same result. Without air suspension not a problem removing driveshaft safely.

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Reply #19 – May 29, 2017, 10:20:44 am

Bill,

Removing the drive shaft is great if you have someone you trust and the complete R&R were to be done in a shop. Even in good weather, clean ground, easy access and assuming you still have the ability to raise the coach and secure it, it's too easy for the tow truck driver to misplace the fasteners or not mark the driveshaft so it can be reinstalled in exactly the same position. The driveshaft also has to be torqued to specs as you can imagine the damage it could do if it came loose. If one part were to be lost, it would also have to be replaced with the same grade bolt to use the recommended torque specs. In short, there are several chances for mistakes to be made.

To pull the axles, you just have to pull the chrome hub covers to get to the axle fasteners. A battery impact and a few seconds time are all it takes to get the axles pulled. The poly covers only take a minute to put in place and secure.

Both axles should be pulled to prevent damage to the spider gears while towing. That's why the covers are sold in pairs.

Pierce

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Reply #20 – May 29, 2017, 10:25:14 am

Not sure if already mentioned before, air will need to be supplied to the coach during the tow unless towed on a flatbed. On the road the air suspension is constantly adjusting and using air. Either the tow truck can connect a hose, or in my case I turned on my 12v HD air compressor as the tow distance was only 6 miles.

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Reply #21 – May 29, 2017, 10:29:14 am

If the key is off and the air leveling turned off won't the bags stay where they were set?

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Reply #22 – May 29, 2017, 10:37:10 am

Peter, on the towing of coach using a Flat bed Good Sam paid our tow 2 yrs ago and it was $1100.00. I also did not call them for the tow and filed the claim 3 months after the fact!! So Good Sam really looked after us.
I have made 2 covers for axle removal out of the plastic bread board items that only cost a few dollars to buy. I drew the diameter and hole spacing then used a jig saw to cut it out after drilling the holes to match bolt pattern. Once done I then glued to one side a piece of gasket paper. Now hopefully I never have to use them!!
JohnH

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Reply #23 – May 29, 2017, 10:42:55 am

Sitting still in driveway with everything off, when I stepped off the rear bumper from the ladder sometimes I would hear a hiss of air from the suspension (I weigh 200 lbs). It seems to me going over road bumps would also trigger airbag adjustments, I could be wrong...

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Reply #24 – May 29, 2017, 10:44:46 am

Quote from: prfleming – May 29, 2017, 10:42:55 am

Sitting still in driveway with everything off, when I stepped off the rear bumper from the ladder sometimes I would hear a hiss of air from the suspension (I weigh 200 lbs). It seems to me going over road bumps would also trigger airbag adjustments, I could be wrong...

I sometimes hear the same same thing when I accidentally step on the cat's tail.

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