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Airbags on 03 U295

Just checking tires etc before heading out and noticed flaking rubber on airbags , guessing it's time to change them before I get stuck on side of road .
Anyone have experience on an 03 u295 , list of tools and source for bags would be appreciated.
As usual I will have to find a quiet spot in a CG and use my four legged friend as look out
Jimmy
2003 U295 3620

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Here is our Berry Beam Foretravel tech source. Air Bags Make sure your bag part number is the same as the earlier models. Check posts for the Conti airbag (Continential Tire  Germany) part number and price. They are less expansive and should be at least as good as the Firestone. Again see old posts for the Conti airbag. Look up my old posts for the tools needed. The price may have gone up on the Conti airbags but should still be less expensive than the Firestones.

Online Catalog – ContiTech Air Spring Systems – Division ContiTech of...

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Confirmed that I have the firestone
W01-358-9448 but unable to cross reference with continental!
Jimmy
2003 U295 3620

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ContiTech Number:9 10-14 P 312

try that

also ...not sure about bolt alignment

"Removed wrong link"


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so looking at them it looks like there are different materials used inside? Steel, Aluminum and plastic.. what preferred? Or needed

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The airbags are made of a very thick layer of rubber with layers of fabric cords. The ends are either aluminum or plastic. I don't think the material matters much on the ends. The bags are exposed to a lot of road debris and chemicals if driven on treated winter roads. Storage with the bags compressed will cause the bags to create a sharp fold at the bottom. This is where most air bags fail. Even then, they may last for twenty years. They may look very old and you may be able to see the cord before they start leaking.

In the majority of cases, air bags don't blow out but develop a hole in one spot that will increase in size. If you notice the air pressure cycling more than usual, a bag may have a leak. If on the road, it may be plugged with a tubeless tire plug and will get you home or to a shop.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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We cut airbags apart long ago and as far as I know they were steel belts in there.

The hour glass shaped bags were not over the road parts,  used on assembly lines and such.

Monaco used them with good results as the shape seemed to dampen the coaches movements up and down..

Old mid door dynasties drove beautifully.

Their engineering VP was an old drag racing buddy.  Enoch
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Just checking tires etc before heading out and noticed flaking rubber on airbags , guessing it's time to change them before I get stuck on side of road .
Anyone have experience on an 03 u295 , list of tools and source for bags would be appreciated.
As usual I will have to find a quiet spot in a CG and use my four legged friend as look out
I would recommend new nuts, washers, and air fittings when you replace the bags.
Elliott & Mary Bray
ex. 1996 36' U295 - Build 4879
ex. 2018 Coachmen Leprechaun 319MB
 

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The correct number Contitech for my '03 U295 is AS9448 which is a direct replacement for the OEM Firestone
W01-358-9448.  The ones pictured above on ebay in no way resemble them.

AS9448 by CONTITECH - CONTITECH AIR SPRING 64286/1R11-150/8563

The price for all eight Contitechs has increased $304.96 since I purchased mine back in February.

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The correct number Contitech for my '03 U295 is AS9448 which is a direct replacement for the OEM Firestone
W01-358-9448.  The ones pictured above on ebay in no way resemble them.

AS9448 by CONTITECH - CONTITECH AIR SPRING 64286/1R11-150/8563

The price for all eight Contitechs has increased $304.96 since I purchased mine back in February.

I tried to order 6 more,(already bought 2) say's they only have one. I also found on Ebay from same company, only one left. Same price, free shipping, and sales tax for Idaho.

CONTITECH AS9448 - CONTITECH AIR SPRING 64286/1R11-150/8563

Even with free shipping, they are $118.00 each.

I found these:

1R11-150 Air Bag 9448 in Suspension

And these:

http://www.stengelbros.net/product.asp?itemid=1791&gclid=CjwKEAjw1PPJBRDq9dGHivbXmhcSJAATZd_Bk2JmLOCitmji7THDmazBnKyYCuHtbex10VfuAEKtzxoCp8Pw_wcB

Any input. May not be plastic bottoms

Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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Chris, it says $111.16 for them now. Find It Parts has never charged me sales tax, but even if they did $33.84 seems like a lot. 
That's 30%, and I thought Tennessee was high.

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The Firestone spec sheet mentions fabric cords for the body.

A swear the old ones we tried to cut were steel belted.

"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Chris, it says $111.16 for them now. Find It Parts has never charged me sales tax, but even if they did $33.84 seems like a lot. 
That's 30%, and I thought Tennessee was high.

We are 6% tax ($6.67).It does it when I go to order. It does it on ebay also. They also tacked on a handling and shipping  $3.95.So it's $121.78 OTD. But say's only one at this price.
I have a $15.00 off coupon to use, but it won't let me buy 2, "only one at this price" I plan to call them Monday direct. Will see if the $3.95 is each, or per sale.
As you know, they went from like $75.00, to $111.00.
I always planned to buy 6 more. Kind of bummed. I will buy the other's else where if they don't work with me. More comfortable with the brands too.







Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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The Firestone spec sheet mentions fabric cords for the body.

A swear the old ones we tried to cut were steel belted.


Looks like steel cords showing in my old one's.
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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Did you order new nuts , washers , air fittings .
Any specific tools or techniques required
Jimmy
2003 U295 3620

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Did you order new nuts , washers , air fittings .
Any specific tools or techniques required
There is a past post on this. If you use the search above you will find everything you need to do it. There are 2 ways to do them.
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348


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Try to do most jobs myself as I haven't had much luck with shop techs .
Jimmy
2003 U295 3620

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Did the search but didn't find a " dummies guide " ( me ) .
Did find talk of obscured nuts that required homemade wrench?
Jimmy
2003 U295 3620

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LOL......No sir. Taking the fender off, or not.
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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Did the search but didn't find a " dummies guide " ( me ) .
Did find talk of obscured nuts that required homemade wrench?

Yes....That is it
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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Try to do most jobs myself as I haven't had much luck with shop techs .
I totally agree. I am an unemployed, panhandler drag racer. I need all the help I can get.
I stand on the corner with a "I'll race for food" sign twice a week.
I live way above my pay grade.
But there are no pockets in caskets!
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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Did you order new nuts , washers , air fittings .
Any specific tools or techniques required
My friend did his, and it is crusty, rusty, and sweaty. He didn't have any problem using the old hardware.
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination."
Oscar Wilde
Jimmy
2003 U295 3620

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Update, Continental Bag installed

Made my eight 7" steel blocks to lock the chassis up. Used an old 5th wheel jack tube, so 4 slide inside each other for small storage.
Did the  1st bag today. Now that Find Parts.com jacked the price up, I decided to only change 2. The ones behind the front wheels.
They really aren't that bad, just had some scary splits, which once off, turned out to be nothing.The others are a little crusty around the bottom, but IMHO no big deal.

I ordered one more for a spare. If I ever have to change one, why not put a new one on, rather then an old one. I liked doing it at home for a dry run, to see what I would need. I did it all with hand tools, even though I have air and all kinds of impacts.I had all the parts to make a fancy tool, but the truth is, with a swivel headed ratchet, it was easy. I can also see how cutting the hard to get bolt off with a sawzall would be easy.If done right, it's not going to hurt anything.You just need to loosen the bag some, and let the it drop off the plate a bit.My blade was too short, so i didn't do it.

I thought about doing them on the road, if it gave me any hassle, I would take the fender off. When I was a FT tech, we did it all the time. No biggy. But this way was quick. Start to finish, less then an hour. I'am 69 1/2 years, so I am no spring chicken either.

I cleaned all the lower plates and painted them, then cleaned and wiped down the old bags with Protectant 303. I used all the old hardware. But will get new hardware for spares, when I do the next one. I also got a brass cap together for the air line for future use if one starts leaking.

I thought about changing the plastic bottom plate out to the old metal one, but it looks fine to me.I went with it.

Now that I know it is easy to do, carrying a spare and all the parts and tools, I am not going to worry about it. They don't "blow out" anyway.

New one on left, old on right

Cheers
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348