Shorten the learning curve..

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Reply #50 – July 27, 2017, 04:42:59 pm

That says rear engine gas... with the aft bathroom, it's probably front engine?

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Reply #51 – July 27, 2017, 05:26:35 pm

Sorry, you are correct, the link I posted (and removed because it was incorrect) was to an OREG (Oshkosh Rear Engine Gas).

Pictures look like FRONT ENGINE.

That year, Foretravel made both front and rear engine gas chassis motorhomes.

As far as I know, all used the Ford 460 gas engine.

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Reply #52 – July 27, 2017, 09:40:53 pm

That is on a John Deere chassis

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Reply #53 – July 27, 2017, 09:43:57 pm

Ah.. thanks. It's cheap! That will cover a lot of gas. And less than 40k original miles. We'll see how long it lasts.

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Reply #54 – July 28, 2017, 12:09:31 am

Sold a lot of RBT coaches back then

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Reply #55 – July 28, 2017, 02:07:21 am

Quote from: Paully – July 27, 2017, 09:43:57 pm

Ah.. thanks. It's cheap! That will cover a lot of gas. And less than 40k original miles. We'll see how long it lasts.

They are cheap, they are low mileage, put 2+2 together. In a heavy vehicle like a foretravel, they may be severely overworked, and may prone to overheating. Climb grades at 30-40 mph at near maximum rpms. If you travel the flatlands without headwinds, could work for you. Replacing an engine on a van or front Engine coach may be very difficult at Best equals $$$

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Reply #56 – July 28, 2017, 10:38:18 pm

Ok.. the guy I am asking about an rv doesn't have the keys atm, but he took a picture of the exhaust for me.

I have seen a 1991 DD 2 stroke exhaust.. what's the 8.2 DD look like? Any difference?

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Reply #57 – July 29, 2017, 12:47:43 am

DD 6V92 two stroke will be at least 5" and a brute of an engine, DD hate.2 may be 3 or 4" my best guess. Hate.2 4 stroke engines are probably a decent engine, as long as you run them lightly loaded, run them hard and a blown head gaskets may occur. FT coaches with the 8.2 DD tend to be as cheap as a gasser.

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Reply #58 – July 31, 2017, 10:03:54 pm

Well, I'm starting to look at destination purchase... there one in texas that sounds good. And there's one in idaho.

Both 8.3 cummins. Now I need to read up on that engine.

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Reply #59 – August 01, 2017, 09:35:17 am

Kerrville TX grand Villa approach with caution, there may be a forum member nearby who can look see. Could not get straight answers out of Vincent as he was apparently under the influence by noon. they have been living in it for some time. Don't know if it's a scam or not.

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Reply #60 – August 01, 2017, 06:48:24 pm

Thanks old phart! Not looking at a Kerrville.. it's in Tyler. And one outside Boise.. both 8.3 cummins. I searched, but haven't learned much. Sounds like the M11 is a good one. Lots of places to get it serviced relative to the Detroit Diesel.

Please, is anybody see's a good 1991 to 1995, and you aren't in the market... send it to me

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Reply #61 – August 01, 2017, 06:49:36 pm

Quote from: Paully – August 01, 2017, 06:48:24 pm

Thanks old phart! Not looking at a Kerrville.. it's in Tyler. And one outside Boise.. both 8.3 cummins. I searched, but haven't learned much. Sounds like the M11 is a good one. Lots of places to get it serviced relative to the Detroit Diesel.

Please, is anybody see's a good 1991 to 1995, and you aren't in the market... send it to me

M-11 is not 8.3

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Reply #62 – August 01, 2017, 06:52:40 pm

Right.. I still don't know if the 8.3 is good. The M11 I was looking at, seems like the guy doesn't want to sell.

I will be pulling a mini... but still need something that can handle altitude.

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Reply #63 – August 01, 2017, 06:55:18 pm

Just a point of interest: You will never wear out a higher-end diesel engine due to miles or age. ABUSE or more likely NEGLECT-- absolutely.

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Reply #64 – August 01, 2017, 07:00:07 pm

Quote from: wolfe10 – August 01, 2017, 06:55:18 pm

Just a point of interest: You will never wear out a higher-end diesel engine due to miles or age. ABUSE or more likely NEGLECT-- absolutely.

Really? Ok. There is an 8v92 local with 330k wants 30k. 100k for 20k someplace else still seems better.

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Reply #65 – August 01, 2017, 07:40:22 pm

Quote from: Paully – August 01, 2017, 07:00:07 pm

Really? Ok. There is an 8v92 local with 330k wants 30k. 100k for 20k someplace else still seems better.

no 8v92's in Foretravels

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Reply #66 – August 01, 2017, 07:51:02 pm

I stand corrected. Then I have seen a 1991 and a 1992 6v92 engines that did not look alike. One was rear radiator, one was side.. ?

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Reply #67 – August 01, 2017, 07:53:26 pm

I believe 1991 was the last year for 6V92 rear radiator.

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Reply #68 – August 01, 2017, 08:03:01 pm

Yes, 1991, but perhaps a turbo/exhaust wrap gave it a different look if you could even see the rear radiator Detroit engine. '92 was also the first year of the 102" coaches. The only 8 cylinders were the 8.2 liter four cycle Detroit. There is enough room to put the 8V-92TA in though. The HT746 should handle it.

Pierce

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Reply #69 – August 01, 2017, 08:38:36 pm

Quote from: Paully – August 01, 2017, 06:52:40 pm

Right.. I still don't know if the 8.3 is good. The M11 I was looking at, seems like the guy doesn't want to sell.

I will be pulling a mini... but still need something that can handle altitude.

Okay, I've got about 75K miles now on a U295 with 8.3. Total mileage close to 150K. I pull a tandem enclosed trailer, loaded weight about 5K lbs. Our trips typically traverse the Rockies, Cascades, Bighorns. This is a very simple, ultra reliable engine, with no electronics and the legendary inline Bosch pump. Mine has never left me beside the road. There will be zero problem pulling a mini. It will easily cruise above legal speeds on rolling hills, any altitude. Parts are plentiful and cheap, self service is simple. Only known weakness is the exhaust manifolds can shrink and leak...I've replaced mine. Check for exhaust leaks around exhaust ports on heads.
Skillful driving is called for on steep pulls, take a run at em, downshift to keep revs up, on a long 6% grade in hot weather you will be pulling at 35-40 mph max near the crest. Another 150 hp will get you up about 10 mph faster.
This engine is quite similar to the 12 valve cummins diesel in the older Dodge pickups if you're familiar with them. Big difference is more displacement of course, and liners. Wonderful, easy to love engine, though I would like to upgrade coaches I always choke up when I think about giving up my ultra reliable, economical mill.
Remove the garbage can muffler and put a resonator on it.

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Reply #70 – August 01, 2017, 08:45:24 pm

I love my 8.3 with a six speed. Not too many big hills around here. It will do 80 mph not towing no problem and 70 towing the dodge caravan. Found power acceptable on hills in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts if you get a run at them. Have had a peak of 13 mpg and no lower than 10. Thats in a 94 280 36 ft.

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Reply #71 – August 01, 2017, 08:52:23 pm

Right on Toby, that's good mileage and performance similar to my rig. I've started running faster these days, so my mileage is in the 8+ range. 300 hp and I'm using every one of them, temp never goes over 200, doesn't bother the engine a bit. Strong like bull. Sings like a p.o'd bird with the resonator, lets her breathe.

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Reply #72 – August 01, 2017, 08:56:13 pm

And they are a simple engine. Sooner or later they will become a dinosaur to parts departments. I am willing to wait for parts I can change myself or get replaced quickly for a lower labor cost. Electronics are great until they break.

As for driving speed it increases with the decibel level from the munchkin.

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Reply #73 – August 01, 2017, 09:08:30 pm

They are a simple engine. You can buy a remanufactured short block for less than it costs to replace the injection pump on the later model electronic engines. I've never had to futz with the pump on this engine, but the last Bosch P7100 I had rebuilt was less than $1K from local shop.

But pushing a 28K lb coach with a 5K trailer with 300 hp means you will be actively involved in driving, the higher HP engines give you a cushion of performance. Gotta know your priorities....they'll both get you to the same place at the end of the day.

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