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Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #25
Interesting that Parker says to not use bands or clamps when using the hose with push-on couplings.
I asked that question too. They said clamps will damage the hose/fitting combo, and leak.I freaked out when I saw "WP" on the hose. Asked all kinds of questions.
I am fine with it all. House of Hose is huge, been around since the 40's, has a great reputation.They don't sell junk.
I think this might be a step less then what Ft uses, because they use top shelf stuff, just think this is universal for all applications.
When I saw "OK with ethanol", I was sold. What could be worse then that? Acetone!
BTW, I have 40 year old air hose  with push on's. None leak at 120 psi
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #26
I just finished the replacement of the fuel supply and return lines on my 1997 U295 40' with 6C8.3 Cummins.  I did not find it as easy as others posted although finished this by myself, including bleeding air from the fuel system.  This took me approx 15 hrs, spread over 4 days.  Checked "safety" posts and blocked the chassis between the rails properly.  I did this after twice loosing prime and having to add fuel at 1/4 tank reading and bleeding the Cummins to start.  I may also have the issue with the gen and eng supply tubes switched in tank.  This I will deal with on another day.  I noticed cracks in the fuel line over the press on barbs of the fittings. They allowed air in causing hard starting and eventually total loss of prime resulting in no start.  If your lines are over 10-15 years old (from hose mfg) and you have not already replaced, you will most likely find these lines hardened and cracks the full length of these lines.  These should be replaced with low pressure hydraulic hose rated for current 5-20 ethanol diesel fuel.  I used a combination of Gates RLA and Eaton Easy Couple H201 hose.  The gates was RLA ( used for supply RLA-10 and return lines RLA-06 for main eng and generator) and the Eaton was H20110 ( the 10 at the end designates 5/8 H201 hose used for the low pressure short hose between fuel filter and lift pump.  They both are low pressure nitrate hose.  My supply was 5/8 to the Cummins, and was in the center of the fuel tank along with the supply (3/8) to the generator.  Both of my return lines for the Cummins and the generator were on drivers side edge of the tank along with the smaller vent hose.  I used Gates RLA, 67 feet of 3/8 hose and 37 feet of 5/8.  The short piece of Eaton H201 was given to me by the local Eaton supplier when I inquired about fittings for the filter to lift pump (the Eaton could use the old brass slip on fittings and they worked great, with a little help from a heat gun to heat up and insert.  The Gates hose is not recommended for slip on fittings.  I used the Gates press on fittings at the tank end to start.  I then attached this new hose to the old hose at tank and pulled thru.  I attached using a short brass pipe coupling threaded at each end.  The coupling thread gripped each hose so I did not need to use and other attachment.  Doing it over I might have also pulled a string or wire line in case the coupling came loose.  I just never pulled to hard, went slow, pushed when it bound up pulling.  Be careful not to twist hose, as mfg says a 7% twist can cause early failure.    Also............ I've owned the rv for four months.  Prev owner owned for two years, and said he never had any issue, when asked after I bought if there was anything wrong, I would like to know and fix before I had an issue.  He said no, no issues, the orig owner he bought from in Klamath Falls had maintained it very well and he had only put 5,000 miles on it.  Then he said, oh yes, the original owner, Jerry Klingberg, told me to make sure to always fill up at 50% full, but he never told me why.  I've put 2,500 miles on in 4 months.  Twice I had to bleed fuel injection to start at 1/4 tank, ran to that level to check gauge when refilled.  Gage is accurate, rv died both times while parked overnight at 1/4 tank.  I had heard on this forum that some 1997's had the two supply tubes switched.  Either my supply tubes are switched or it was just coincidence that I lost prime the only two times I let it go to 1/4 tank from the bad fuel hose.  I am not sure.  After the first time I replaced the fuel solenoid and the lift pump.  The second time it lost prime at 1/4 tank, I now replaced all the low pressure fuel hose.  I will post when I find out.  Also, if anyone knows how to contact the orig owner, Jerry Klingberg, please let me know.
97 U295 40, Build #5040, 6C8.3 325 HP
Oregon Continuous Traveler
Samsung Residential #RF20HFENBSR,
Xantrex SW2012, (3)AGM8D Hse, (2)AGM Grp24 Eng, Victron BMV-712, 1800w Solar 4 LG & 2 Sunpower
Extreme Full Body Pt w/hdlmps, new furn/floor, 4 down Lexus 2004 GX470 AWD curb weight 4,740 lbs
Prev: 1990 Barth, 10L 300 2 yrs; 91&92 Monaco Signature, 10 yrs, 10L C 300 &  6C8.3 300; 1997 ForeT 6C8.3 325 since May 2017.  Employed by Guaranty RV 14+ yrs.  Former VW New Car Dlr/Service Dlr, Sales Mgr, Rv Sales, and Service Adviser from 1968-2017
"Don't criticize what you can't understand" Bob Dylan

Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #27
Nice job. better then paying someone 2K+ to do it.Looks like one line was spliced previously.This will be worth the peace of mind you will have.
Chris
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #28
What's the difference between the HTFL/PFT and air line hose?  Look at any new truck and it looks like they use the same plastic tubing for air line and fuel lines.

Something is leaking on my RV. If I park it with front of RV pointing down an incline, the engine loses prime. No issue when level or engine on the low side.
1998 U270 34'

Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #29
What's the difference between the HTFL/PFT and air line hose?  Look at any new truck and it looks like they use the same plastic tubing for air line and fuel lines.

Something is leaking on my RV. If I park it with front of RV pointing down an incline, the engine loses prime. No issue when level or engine on the low side.
Air line hose and fuel hose are not the same material. The plastic fuel lines would not be what you want in the coach.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean



Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #32
I believe it would be harder to install through the coach. I guess if you installed a fitting on the end, it could be pulled through the bays. The plastic air lines I use on the crane wear through where they rub on anything and the rubber doesn't
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean

Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #33
Also that plastic hose links easier when pulling it through and once it kinks you can't get the link out all the way.
Toby a 94 u280
Cummins 8.3
6 speed Allison
Exhaust brake


Adopted by Derek and Annabelle

Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #34
the genset pickup is supposed to leave you 1/4 tank of fuel when it stops picking up  and it is common for riggers to hookup to the wrong fuel tank pickup on rv's and boats. I"ve had issues on new boats running out of fuel with the gauge reading 1/4 fuel in tank



wantabe

Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #35
the genset pickup is supposed to leave you 1/4 tank of fuel when it stops picking up  and it is common for riggers to hookup to the wrong fuel tank pickup on rv's and boats. I"ve had issues on new boats running out of fuel with the gauge reading 1/4 fuel in tank



wantabe
The engine is 5/8'" fitting and the generator is 1/2" fitting at the tank. It would have had to be welded in the tank wrong to switch them. When going to see the eclipse I underestimated the distance to the next fuel stop and had the generator shut down at about a 1/4 tank. Not something I let happen often, to keep the fuel cool.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean

Re: Fuel Line repalcement

Reply #36
Generator ran, coach did not.  Drove into campground, next morning coach would not start.  Never ran out of fuel, thus with new fuel lines, I am hoping none start was due to cracked supply lines allowing air in and loosing prime, not switched supply pick ups.  I am now an expert in starting this 6C8.3  Even worked with new, empty of fuel lines installed.  Turned ign key on, not far enough to energize starter, pumped lift pump maybe 40 times, opened two turns #1 and #3 injector, started engine with fuel pedal to the floor until running at 1500 to 2000 rpm smoothly, shut off, tightened #1 and #3 injector line.  If it still will not start, re due above, may have to do 3 or 4 times to bleed air out.  (If you install new filters, you will have to pre fill filters).  With new lines, I can bleed and start in minutes.  I know this because I did so twice after final replacement of approx 50 inch of new 5/8 hose between filter and lift pump.  Previously trained truck diesel mechanics took hours to start my diesel, I was there watching their replacement of lift pump, replacement of fuel cutoff solenoid, checking solenoid linkage, adding 40 gal of fuel, removal of filters, refilling filters, use of Diethyl ether to aid start, bleeding as I did above, and still no start until many tries hours later.  I am sure all this was due to the cracked fuel supply lines.
97 U295 40, Build #5040, 6C8.3 325 HP
Oregon Continuous Traveler
Samsung Residential #RF20HFENBSR,
Xantrex SW2012, (3)AGM8D Hse, (2)AGM Grp24 Eng, Victron BMV-712, 1800w Solar 4 LG & 2 Sunpower
Extreme Full Body Pt w/hdlmps, new furn/floor, 4 down Lexus 2004 GX470 AWD curb weight 4,740 lbs
Prev: 1990 Barth, 10L 300 2 yrs; 91&92 Monaco Signature, 10 yrs, 10L C 300 &  6C8.3 300; 1997 ForeT 6C8.3 325 since May 2017.  Employed by Guaranty RV 14+ yrs.  Former VW New Car Dlr/Service Dlr, Sales Mgr, Rv Sales, and Service Adviser from 1968-2017
"Don't criticize what you can't understand" Bob Dylan

Re: Fuel Line replacement

Reply #37
Interesting that Parker says to not use bands or clamps when using the hose with push-on couplings.
The local Eaton dealer told me to not use clamps since this would cut the inside of the hose on the hose barbs and cause premature failure.  My oem existing hose were slip on clamp free hoses.  On the lift pump to primary filter I re-used the old brass slip on fittings with new Eaton fuel hose, the dealer gave me a 5 ft remnant for free.  On the rest of the hoses (supply and return for both C68.3 Cummins and 10K Power Tech generator, I used gates RLA 1-Fiber Braid Return Line Hose.  RLA Return Line & Low Pressure Hose | Gates Corporation  With this hose I had the Gates hydraulic hose dealer crimp on Gates steel hose fittings and supply the hose fittings to use at the other end.  With this now brass to steel coupling you must be careful to not over tighten as the steel will ruin the brass fitting.
97 U295 40, Build #5040, 6C8.3 325 HP
Oregon Continuous Traveler
Samsung Residential #RF20HFENBSR,
Xantrex SW2012, (3)AGM8D Hse, (2)AGM Grp24 Eng, Victron BMV-712, 1800w Solar 4 LG & 2 Sunpower
Extreme Full Body Pt w/hdlmps, new furn/floor, 4 down Lexus 2004 GX470 AWD curb weight 4,740 lbs
Prev: 1990 Barth, 10L 300 2 yrs; 91&92 Monaco Signature, 10 yrs, 10L C 300 &  6C8.3 300; 1997 ForeT 6C8.3 325 since May 2017.  Employed by Guaranty RV 14+ yrs.  Former VW New Car Dlr/Service Dlr, Sales Mgr, Rv Sales, and Service Adviser from 1968-2017
"Don't criticize what you can't understand" Bob Dylan

Re: Fuel Line replacement

Reply #38
Question here...Why not abandon the old fuel line and run a new one in the chase...?? seems like allot less frustration on the binding issue..?

IMWTK  :)

Hans
Hans & Marjet
1995 U300 "Ben" (#4719)
3176B Cat,4060HD,Jake
SKP#139131
Motorcade#17579
2006 Honda Element (towed)

Re: Fuel Line replacement

Reply #39
Question here...Why not abandon the old fuel line and run a new one in the chase...??

Especially on coaches with an Aqua Hot you need the room due to all the extra hoses. Depending on the floor plan on some coaches the chases are not in a straight line, they have an offset over the holding tanks. On some coaches it would be possible with out the A/H and the correct floor plan.

Pamela & Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: Fuel Line replacement

Reply #40
Question here...Why not abandon the old fuel line and run a new one in the chase...?? seems like allot less frustration on the binding issue..?

IMWTK  :)

Hans
Kind of a built in fish wire to pull thru.  Also the old line may leave some non odorless liquid in the storage area.  "I used the Gates press on fittings at the tank end to start.  I then attached this new hose to the old hose at tank and pulled thru.  I attached using a short brass pipe coupling threaded at each end.  The coupling thread gripped each hose so I did not need to use an other attachment.  Doing it over I might have also pulled a string or wire line in case the coupling came loose.  I just never pulled to hard, went slow, pushed when it bound up pulling.  Be careful not to twist hose, or stretch, as mfg says this can cause early failure."
97 U295 40, Build #5040, 6C8.3 325 HP
Oregon Continuous Traveler
Samsung Residential #RF20HFENBSR,
Xantrex SW2012, (3)AGM8D Hse, (2)AGM Grp24 Eng, Victron BMV-712, 1800w Solar 4 LG & 2 Sunpower
Extreme Full Body Pt w/hdlmps, new furn/floor, 4 down Lexus 2004 GX470 AWD curb weight 4,740 lbs
Prev: 1990 Barth, 10L 300 2 yrs; 91&92 Monaco Signature, 10 yrs, 10L C 300 &  6C8.3 300; 1997 ForeT 6C8.3 325 since May 2017.  Employed by Guaranty RV 14+ yrs.  Former VW New Car Dlr/Service Dlr, Sales Mgr, Rv Sales, and Service Adviser from 1968-2017
"Don't criticize what you can't understand" Bob Dylan

Re: Fuel Line replacement

Reply #41
Had folks at Old Town check the fuel hoses when they did the bulkhead. Said the fittings looked fine with no problems. Of course, since they are 22 years old plus shelf time before installation, they could go any time but no problems are obvious from the outside.
Larry
1996 U295 36'
Build # 4805
Actually we sold it but just like to lurk

Re: Fuel Line replacement

Reply #42
Had folks at Old Town check the fuel hoses when they did the bulkhead. Said the fittings looked fine with no problems. Of course, since they are 22 years old plus shelf time before installation, they could go any time but no problems are obvious from the outside.
Hello Larry, It is not to hard to check again yourself.  The worst splits will be where the line stretches over the fittings, so check the fittings at the lift pump, and the primary filter looking for small cracks or splits. The next worst area will be the turns of the hose on top of the fuel tank.  Best to check yourself prior to something being hard to start.  I've appreciated all your posts, this comes back to you as a thank you.
97 U295 40, Build #5040, 6C8.3 325 HP
Oregon Continuous Traveler
Samsung Residential #RF20HFENBSR,
Xantrex SW2012, (3)AGM8D Hse, (2)AGM Grp24 Eng, Victron BMV-712, 1800w Solar 4 LG & 2 Sunpower
Extreme Full Body Pt w/hdlmps, new furn/floor, 4 down Lexus 2004 GX470 AWD curb weight 4,740 lbs
Prev: 1990 Barth, 10L 300 2 yrs; 91&92 Monaco Signature, 10 yrs, 10L C 300 &  6C8.3 300; 1997 ForeT 6C8.3 325 since May 2017.  Employed by Guaranty RV 14+ yrs.  Former VW New Car Dlr/Service Dlr, Sales Mgr, Rv Sales, and Service Adviser from 1968-2017
"Don't criticize what you can't understand" Bob Dylan