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Black Water Tank Removal

Hi - we've got a 1995 U320 - 40 foot and have developed a leak in the black water tank. Can anyone help me with the necessary steps to remove the tank?  Thanks - Chip

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Chip,

First off are you sure that it isn't some of the drain piping or drain valve that is leaking.  You need to make darn sure that you eliminate all other possibilities because pulling that tank is a PITA. The first thing is to pull the vanity covers that cover all your drain piping. This is the covers on the drivers side in your service bay. It should be 2 pieces you need to take off the top section to be able to see the piping. If you do need to pull the tank this cover will have to be off anyway. Once you reach this point then we can talk you through the steps.

Pamela & Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Chip,
I agree with Pamela and Mike.  Actual leaks of the tank are rare.  Most likely the connection for the drain.  Pulling panels is the first step no mater what.  I personally don't like the panels because I want to see a leak ASAP and not after it's made it's way out from under a panel days/weeks later.

(so here's the post I was working on before P&M posted)
I have a '91 which I think is very close to the same as your coach.  At most a few details might be different.

The actual bottom of both tanks is slanted for draining.  Each tank sits on a special made stand to conform the to slant of that tank.
Floor (drain) pipes from the living space drop down into each tank and a special rubber sleeve seals between the pipe and the tank.  The stands will pull out from under the tanks on the passengers side and this will allow the tanks to drop down enough so the floor pipes clear the top of the tanks; then the tanks pull out.

General Steps (from memory)
1.  Disconnect the 3" dump connection pipes that are on the drivers side.  Panels will need to be removed to gain access (this differs quite a bit depending on model years).  The 3" pipes are glued together with the valves so both grey and black will be disconnected together.  This connection may differ from the photos from mine.  I think your tanks are black ABS where mine are a "natural" color of some other plastic.
2.  Remove the panels on the passengers side of the coach where the tanks are.
3.  Remove the s ensors wires from tanks.  Label first before removing.
4.  Remove "L" bracket on the bottom of the tank stands.  (it there to keep the stands from vibrating out towards the passengers side)
5.  From the drivers side push the grey water stand out toward the passengers side.
6.  The grey tank may fall or you may need to help it drop down.  Spraying some silicone or other rubber lube on the floor pipes will help.  Once down it will pull/push right out.
7.  There is a long strip divider between the stands that needs to be removed.  It's screwed down to the floor of the basement.
8.  Pull out the Black tank stand.  This one needs to slide into the grey tank space in order to avoid an "L" bracket that is welded to the rear bulkhead.
9.  Let the black tank drop or as in my case lube the 3" drain pipe like crazy and work the lube down between the pipe and rubber with a blunt object.  Mine was tough but I eventually got it to move.  Once down, it can even tilt a little to clear the floor pipes.

John Fitzgerald
1991 U300 (SAI) Side Aisle Island Bed 40'
Detroit 6V92 with Allison Retarder
Meridian (Boise), Idaho

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................and there ya have it! WOW!
1994 U280, Build 4490
Deming, NM.

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Chip,
To add to John's excellent description, here's a few photos from my 95 300 which is likely just like yours. I had a leak in my black tank (thanks, Foretravel) and had to replace it when it proved impossible to repair. There are no more replacement tanks but Foretravel parts located me a close match from a later model. It required a 2X10 spacer and a homemade mounting base.

Taking them out was pretty straightforward but I could not get the tanks to break lose from the pipes and had to cut the rubber grommet/seals. Replacements are available but they are pricey.

I have many photos so if you need any drop me a PM.
jor

93 225
95 300
97 270
99 320

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John,

This is Chips first post and I wasn't going to scare his pants off yet.

 I have read over your post and don't think you missed anything. His coach may not have the divider strip listed in step 7 (we don't have one).

Pamela & Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Chip,

This came to me during the night. With you having a 320 the water manifold is mounted on the passengers side blocking everything. You will have to remove the manifold to be able to remove the tank stands.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

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Thanks John and Jor.  It is great to know how to remove these tanks , hopefully I will never have to use this knowledge. 

Jason
Jason
1999 U320 36'

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I sure appreciate all the info / pictures!

I will start with the vanity cover and keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks again everyone,

Chip

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here it is
1999 U270 40 #5518
USN. USPS.

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Thanks to everybody that help with all the information and pictures on this issue I have all the tanks out and setting on the floor trying to get the fuel tank out and them my repairs to the bulkhead begins on Monday with all the information I got on this site it took a lot of the guesswork out I might need a lot of help to put it all back together though laugh out loud
Rick & Hilda looking forward to full- timing one day for now couple of months at a time
1999 U270 3602
Built number  5530.  Feb 1999            Motorcade  number 18438
8.3 Cummins Allison six speed with brake  retarder
Purchased Nov 28 2019

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Don't forget there is a drain plug on the bottom of the fuel tank that sits in a recess. You have to lift the tank up about 1" to clear it.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
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