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Zip Dee Manual Extension Arms Seized!

So, I unraveled my Zip Dee Awning, only to find that the Arms attached to the Round Roller Tube, seized up!  I immediately broke out my trusty can of PB Blaster....this oughtta work...Nope.  Next came the wrench on that Square Tube.....against the Aluminum Round Tube, and lightly smack it with a Persuasion Device (Hammer).  Nope!  Tapped even harder.....Nope!  I knew it would get REAL expensive if I Tapped any harder, so I stopped, as those Aluminum Castings  on the ends are not cheap, I am sure! So, I contacted Zip Dee, Techs.  Their solution....Buy new Arms.  Before I do that, I will buy an awning that I can put  Entire External Room  Panels like I had with my 5th Wheel.  The Dometic never gave me any grief whatsoever....and I had the option of the Patty -O - Room, which I loved!  I lived in my, 40' 5th wheel for 2 years, when on orders to Memphis Tn. It was extended for 2 solid years, and lasted several more without degrading. I don't need no stinking Slides on my RV's!  ;)  Having 24' of External Room, sure worked for me!  Having the option of a full screen room, or full privacy panels is the ticket! patty o room - Bing images

So, if I cannot get these arms to extend....I guess it's off with the old, and useless Zip Dee, and on with the Dometic Awning System, for me! It also has the Lovely Mauve Material that I so love....Not!  But, I'd sure like to delay the purchase for now, and IF anyone has a clue on how to free up the arms, I'd appreciate any suggestions you may have that worked for you?  Thanks!

It will be up for sale....cheap.... in a year, anyway!
Tom & Barb Root
'95, 40' U-320C SE, bought from Dave Head, 8/2017  FT Motorcade # 18196 Coach Build# 4663 October '94
2015 VW Golf Sportwagen, 1991 Suzuki Samurai, Off-Road Custom Build-Up, W/Toyota 22re mill, and a 2005 Chevy 2500HD, Duramax/Allison TOADS Will also pull a MacGregor 26X Powersailor 2001 Model, owned since new!

Retired SR Rocket Mechanic, FT Sales Associate @  FT of California, Escondido CA.!  and Retired USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Hence Retired Guns! ) Avionics Tech, on A6E Intruder & OV-10 Bronco Aircraft!  V/N Era Vet, and Desert Storm Participant.  Happily Retired now!

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Reply #1
Where it me I would store the awning then soak the slide tubes for a couple of days, you may want to remove the pull out lock knobs as well they just unscrew.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
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2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
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Reply #2
Where it me I would store the awning then soak the slide tubes for a couple of days, you may want to remove the pull out lock knobs as well they just unscrew.

Yep, did all that too....and it's been weeks actually, and several soakings now!  I should have mentioned that!
Tom & Barb Root
'95, 40' U-320C SE, bought from Dave Head, 8/2017  FT Motorcade # 18196 Coach Build# 4663 October '94
2015 VW Golf Sportwagen, 1991 Suzuki Samurai, Off-Road Custom Build-Up, W/Toyota 22re mill, and a 2005 Chevy 2500HD, Duramax/Allison TOADS Will also pull a MacGregor 26X Powersailor 2001 Model, owned since new!

Retired SR Rocket Mechanic, FT Sales Associate @  FT of California, Escondido CA.!  and Retired USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Hence Retired Guns! ) Avionics Tech, on A6E Intruder & OV-10 Bronco Aircraft!  V/N Era Vet, and Desert Storm Participant.  Happily Retired now!

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Reply #3
The ends are NOT aluminum, at least ours aren't, instead they are pewter. Pewter cannot be repaired. Unfortunately I learned the hard way, after the rear rafter end pewter casting broke in a rainstorm by New Waverly, TX.
I would take the arms off. Anchor one end to a tree or some solid object, then pull on the other end using a come-a-long or 2 ton cable hoist.
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD

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Reply #4
The ends are NOT aluminum, at least ours aren't, instead they are pewter. Pewter cannot be repaired. Unfortunately I learned the hard way, after the rear rafter end pewter casting broke in a rainstorm by New Waverly, TX.
I would take the arms off. Anchor one end to a tree or some solid object, then pull on the other end using a come-a-long or 2 ton cable hoist.
I have considered that approach actually.  I have to figure out how to SAFELY remove them so I do not modify my own body, by those PEWTER (as you say) Ends! All I know, it's a Casting, and far from forged! LOL! Anyway, I might remove them, Fill the Cavity up to the Bolt Hole on each end, with wood, Drill the Mounting holes, use a Grade 8 Bolt, and use that Come Along idea!  I have a 10K lb winch on my Chevy 2500 HD I could use, as well!  Might be overkill, but what the Hay! ;)
Tom & Barb Root
'95, 40' U-320C SE, bought from Dave Head, 8/2017  FT Motorcade # 18196 Coach Build# 4663 October '94
2015 VW Golf Sportwagen, 1991 Suzuki Samurai, Off-Road Custom Build-Up, W/Toyota 22re mill, and a 2005 Chevy 2500HD, Duramax/Allison TOADS Will also pull a MacGregor 26X Powersailor 2001 Model, owned since new!

Retired SR Rocket Mechanic, FT Sales Associate @  FT of California, Escondido CA.!  and Retired USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Hence Retired Guns! ) Avionics Tech, on A6E Intruder & OV-10 Bronco Aircraft!  V/N Era Vet, and Desert Storm Participant.  Happily Retired now!

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Reply #5
How much are the new parts from Zip Dee? Way cheaper than a new awnings would imagine. Let alone a bunch of new holes in the coach.
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
Zoey RIP 1/20/19
1999 U295 40' build #5400
2017 silver Jeep Wrangler, 1260 watts of solar on top
Moving around the country

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Reply #6
How much are the new parts from Zip Dee? Way cheaper than a new awnings would imagine. Let alone a bunch of new holes in the coach.
True, but I don't ever want to mess with a situation like this ever again, either!  To have the ONLY solution of buying new arms can be equally expensive, I'd imagine, anyway.  Besides, even though the Awning Material is in OK shape....I do Abhor the color immensely!  I just want to limp it along 'till I save up enough money to buy a New Dometic ( A&E) Awning and that Patty - O -Room deal!
Tom & Barb Root
'95, 40' U-320C SE, bought from Dave Head, 8/2017  FT Motorcade # 18196 Coach Build# 4663 October '94
2015 VW Golf Sportwagen, 1991 Suzuki Samurai, Off-Road Custom Build-Up, W/Toyota 22re mill, and a 2005 Chevy 2500HD, Duramax/Allison TOADS Will also pull a MacGregor 26X Powersailor 2001 Model, owned since new!

Retired SR Rocket Mechanic, FT Sales Associate @  FT of California, Escondido CA.!  and Retired USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Hence Retired Guns! ) Avionics Tech, on A6E Intruder & OV-10 Bronco Aircraft!  V/N Era Vet, and Desert Storm Participant.  Happily Retired now!

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Reply #7
I am not a REP. After three coaches, all Zip Dees, over thirty years, I'd NEVER switch brands!  ^.^d
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Reply #8
I'd try a few taps with a rubber mallet on the sides of the arms or with a plastic dead blow if you have one. The fabric can be changed much cheaper that the new A&E awning. Also the new A&E's are not as good as the old ones that you probably had on the fifth wheel. Most top of the line coaches had Zip Dee's or Carefree there must be a reason that they didn't use less expensive equipment.
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Reply #9
I'd try a few taps with a rubber mallet on the sides of the arms or with a plastic dead blow if you have one. The fabric can be changed much cheaper that the new A&E awning. Also the new A&E's are not as good as the old ones that you probably had on the fifth wheel. Most top of the line coaches had Zip Dee's or Carefree there must be a reason that they didn't use less expensive equipment.
Possibly?  And yes I do have Dead Blows and Rubber Mallets....which I will try!  I know that most people Love their Zip Dees a Lot and wouldn't want any other brand....and you just may be right about the Quality situation these days also!  I will watch when I go into RV Parks for newer R.V's and get their opinions....or maybe even source a Great Used A&E, eventually?  Again, I digress as to the Patty -O -Rooms, which are NOT an option with any Zip Dee product that I know of?  If they had that option, I'd stick with them...I just know I enjoyed that more than any awning I have had in 40 years of owning R.V.'s!  That sort of spoiled me, for sure!  When the weather isn't cooperating, or the sun gets brutal,  they sure do come in handy, that I can attest to!

But again, this one has to work for a while....I'm not impressed, so far....I guess?
Tom & Barb Root
'95, 40' U-320C SE, bought from Dave Head, 8/2017  FT Motorcade # 18196 Coach Build# 4663 October '94
2015 VW Golf Sportwagen, 1991 Suzuki Samurai, Off-Road Custom Build-Up, W/Toyota 22re mill, and a 2005 Chevy 2500HD, Duramax/Allison TOADS Will also pull a MacGregor 26X Powersailor 2001 Model, owned since new!

Retired SR Rocket Mechanic, FT Sales Associate @  FT of California, Escondido CA.!  and Retired USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Hence Retired Guns! ) Avionics Tech, on A6E Intruder & OV-10 Bronco Aircraft!  V/N Era Vet, and Desert Storm Participant.  Happily Retired now!

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Reply #10
I just replaced the patio awning claws on the rafter bar that hooks up to the back on both side.  Claws were $25 a piece from ZipDee. 

I wouldn't worry about replacing the parts and it happening again.  Who ever had it before probably never used the awning and never maintained it. 
John M.

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Reply #11
What about the Zip Dee "Tropic Room"?
Tropic Room
Besides, I believe that I could adapt another manufacture's awning room if the size was close enough. I would suspend judgement (not on the color, I'm with you on that one!) on the Zip Dee until you see how well it works. My limited experience with a Dometic awning would keep me from even considering it. Our Zip Dee has withstood some incredibly harsh conditions and still works well. I do plan on replacing the fabric on all of the awnings to match the painted graphics on the coach, but we use it all the time.
Don
Again, I digress as to the Patty -O -Rooms, which are NOT an option with any Zip Dee product that I know of?  If they had that option, I'd stick with them...I just know I enjoyed that more than any awning I have had in 40 years of owning R.V.'s!  That sort of spoiled me, for sure!  When the weather isn't cooperating, or the sun gets brutal,  they sure do come in handy, that I can attest to!

But again, this one has to work for a while....I'm not impressed, so far....I guess?
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Reply #12
On my 96 coach, I had the same problem.  Finally took 2 people, on adding heat to tube and one tapping on it.  Once it started to move we were able to extend and clean the tubes. 
Steve DeLange
2005 U320T 40'
Pearland, Texas

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Reply #13
Take a propane torch and heat the tube up Once you can get it a little loose it should slide. Mine is 26 years old on my 91 and works perfect. I wouldn't want anything else these are simple.
 
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Reply #14
What about the Zip Dee "Tropic Room"?
Tropic Room
Besides, I believe that I could adapt another manufacture's awning room if the size was close enough. I would suspend judgement (not on the color, I'm with you on that one!) on the Zip Dee until you see how well it works. My limited experience with a Dometic awning would keep me from even considering it. Our Zip Dee has withstood some incredibly harsh conditions and still works well. I do plan on replacing the fabric on all of the awnings to match the painted graphics on the coach, but we use it all the time.
Don
The Patty - O - Room is a Total Privacy enclosure, but also has Screening, for airflow, if needed!  I think the Arms of the A & E are actually too wide to mount, I am finding?  Does anyone have one installed with pics and tips, perhaps?
Tom & Barb Root
'95, 40' U-320C SE, bought from Dave Head, 8/2017  FT Motorcade # 18196 Coach Build# 4663 October '94
2015 VW Golf Sportwagen, 1991 Suzuki Samurai, Off-Road Custom Build-Up, W/Toyota 22re mill, and a 2005 Chevy 2500HD, Duramax/Allison TOADS Will also pull a MacGregor 26X Powersailor 2001 Model, owned since new!

Retired SR Rocket Mechanic, FT Sales Associate @  FT of California, Escondido CA.!  and Retired USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Hence Retired Guns! ) Avionics Tech, on A6E Intruder & OV-10 Bronco Aircraft!  V/N Era Vet, and Desert Storm Participant.  Happily Retired now!

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Reply #15
On my 96 coach, I had the same problem.  Finally took 2 people, on adding heat to tube and one tapping on it.  Once it started to move we were able to extend and clean the tubes. 
Take a propane torch and heat the tube up Once you can get it a little loose it should slide. Mine is 26 years old on my 91 and works perfect. I wouldn't want anything else these are simple.
 
Folks that just may work....didn't think of that, I will give it a try!  Thanks!
Tom & Barb Root
'95, 40' U-320C SE, bought from Dave Head, 8/2017  FT Motorcade # 18196 Coach Build# 4663 October '94
2015 VW Golf Sportwagen, 1991 Suzuki Samurai, Off-Road Custom Build-Up, W/Toyota 22re mill, and a 2005 Chevy 2500HD, Duramax/Allison TOADS Will also pull a MacGregor 26X Powersailor 2001 Model, owned since new!

Retired SR Rocket Mechanic, FT Sales Associate @  FT of California, Escondido CA.!  and Retired USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Hence Retired Guns! ) Avionics Tech, on A6E Intruder & OV-10 Bronco Aircraft!  V/N Era Vet, and Desert Storm Participant.  Happily Retired now!

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Reply #16
Extruded aluminum such as your Zip Dee telescoping tubes are "cooked" in a heat treat furnace to harden the aluminum. Too much heat with a torch will anneal the aluminum and you will end up with some very, very bendable tubes.
I was the die design engineer at an aluminum extrusion/powder coating paint company for a few years so I was familiar with the process at the time. But, time has a way of erasing knowledge.
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD

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Reply #17
I thought the Zip Dee's were stainless.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
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Reply #18
Could be stainless. Read my last sentence above.
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD

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Reply #19
Heat treating is usually in the range of 325-400F.  It takes nowhere near that much heat to free the slide.  You need to warm the entire piece which means moving heat source back and forth fairly quickly.
Steve DeLange
2005 U320T 40'
Pearland, Texas

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Reply #20
Heat treating is usually in the range of 325-400F.  It takes nowhere near that much heat to free the slide.  You need to warm the entire piece which means moving heat source back and forth fairly quickly.
And have a heavy glove on your hand also or a good rag! Don't burn your hand !
You might could clamp a nice big set of Vicegrips to the pole and hit the vice grips with a good smack.
Unscrew the pin locks from the tube first.
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6V92TA Detroit

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Reply #21
The heat creates thermal expansion which, because you are mostly heating the external tube, will cause separation of the tube and the internal bar.
Nitehawk,  Demolition Lady, & our NEW master, Zippy the speeding BB cat.
1989 Grand Villa 36' ORED
Oshkosh chassis, 8.2 DD V8
2006 Saturn Vue AWD

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Reply #22
Those arm's are definitely, Anodized Aluminum!  Stainless may have been used on other models perhaps, but I am sure they are Aluminum!  Gotta try this trick tomorrow, and report back the results!  .....and see if they become all Gumby like too! ;)  What do I have to loose....the Manufacturer says to replace them, anyway! LOL
Tom & Barb Root
'95, 40' U-320C SE, bought from Dave Head, 8/2017  FT Motorcade # 18196 Coach Build# 4663 October '94
2015 VW Golf Sportwagen, 1991 Suzuki Samurai, Off-Road Custom Build-Up, W/Toyota 22re mill, and a 2005 Chevy 2500HD, Duramax/Allison TOADS Will also pull a MacGregor 26X Powersailor 2001 Model, owned since new!

Retired SR Rocket Mechanic, FT Sales Associate @  FT of California, Escondido CA.!  and Retired USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Hence Retired Guns! ) Avionics Tech, on A6E Intruder & OV-10 Bronco Aircraft!  V/N Era Vet, and Desert Storm Participant.  Happily Retired now!

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Reply #23
They are Aluminum.  All the pieces are made from extruded aluminum .  I would have to bet that those awnings were hardly used.  That's why they are stuck in place.  If you didn't want to use a torch to heat them up, try a heat gun. Try not to get the inside arm Hot, only the outside arm.
John M.
John & Carm Morales

"We travel not to go anywhere, but to just go.  We travel for travel's sake.  Our great desire is to move."

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Reply #24
Second to last paragraph, stainless and aluminum arms. I will wait until I check mine tomorrow, I thought they were stainless


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2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
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