Diesel Additives

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Reply #25 – December 29, 2017, 09:39:36 pm

Ah well any hazard materials are not allowed anywhere generally on 'planes etc. Wet cell batteries will not ship either if I remember correctly. Funny thing is though "how do they get them to a distributer then"?
By the way Mike ,where in Ajo is the park you are in?
JohnH

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Reply #26 – December 29, 2017, 11:15:55 pm

What Brett said, if you have biological contamination, or any other fuel contamination, it'll show up in the filter(s). There's a can opener looking device that can cut the fuel filters open easily so you can see what's trapped in them. Algae that I've seen in diesel filters usually looks like a very dark green solid. I've also seen sand in diesel filters before, probably due to vandalism. I wouldn't put anything in the fuel tank except fuel unless you're sure you need it. Always carry at least one set of new fuel filter(s) with you. The best preventive action is to drive your coach regularly... or get rid of it and rent a brand new coach for your infrequent camping trips, just saying ...that's not what anyone on this forum wants to hear but if you don't use your coach why not sell it to someone who will?

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Reply #27 – January 14, 2018, 01:10:29 pm

Finally got some fuel treatment, but I'm unsure of the amount to add. The directions say, "For in season use 1 oz. per 10 ga., for storage use 1oz. per 5 ga.". Given the coach is sitting until the end of May, should I throw in the "storage" amount, or? She has about 75 ga. (of 100ga.) on board. Thanks, M

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Reply #28 – January 14, 2018, 02:51:05 pm

Mike,

Exactly what additive are you working with-- that will help us address your question.

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Reply #29 – January 14, 2018, 03:05:07 pm

It's all the local NAPA had:

Quote from: wolfe10 – January 14, 2018, 02:51:05 pm

Mike,Exactly what additive are you working with-- that will help us .

It's all the NAPA store had, called "STA-BIL " (fuel stabilizer for diesels).

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Reply #30 – January 14, 2018, 03:11:27 pm

Mike,

Will have to get advice from others on this. Only "storage" additives I have ever used are a BIOCIDE and if storing summer grade fuel into cold conditions PS brand anti-gel (from Walmart).

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Reply #31 – January 14, 2018, 03:16:15 pm

Thanks, Brett, they just suggest twice as much additive for "storage", but I don't know if 4 1/2 months is "storage".

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Reply #32 – January 14, 2018, 05:16:18 pm

All boils down to the money situation Scott,some have the money to have a coach and let sit some don't.

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Reply #33 – January 14, 2018, 05:37:41 pm

Quote from: John Haygarth – December 29, 2017, 09:39:36 pm

By the way Mike ,where in Ajo is the park you are in?

We've been wintering over for ten years+ at "Shadow Ridge R.V. Resort" 431 N. 2nd/ 520.387.5055" next to the Shell station (same owner). If you're coming from the south, it's through old town, up the hill, just after the sharp turn it's on the left, next to the Shell. Nice spot, we've had other forum members stay, there's a '89 GV ORED next to us & a Blue Bird WL on the other side.

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Reply #34 – January 14, 2018, 07:22:28 pm

Oh, and let's not forget asphaltine.

I'm sure that's what I had because after treatment there was no residue, like with algae.

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Reply #35 – January 14, 2018, 08:28:38 pm

Quote from: mike leary – January 14, 2018, 03:16:15 pm

Thanks, Brett, they just suggest twice as much additive for "storage", but I don't know if 4 1/2 months is "storage".

Mike,
I don't think you need the "storage" rate, especially in Arizona. I have machines that sit most of the year and I have never used any diesel additive for storage. A few get treated fuel for winter operation, but that's it.

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Reply #36 – January 14, 2018, 09:02:33 pm

Diesel is long life here in So. Cal. I started my Lincoln welder Fri. that hadn't been used for over a year. Put a good battery in it and about 3 revolutions and it fired. Its an old Perkins diesel engine but the fuel is abut 2 years old and no additives. I think you needn't worry about storage doses. On a side note I have only known about algae in diesel by reading the Forum, never in 45 years of using diesel engines here have I seen anything develop in the diesel.

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Reply #37 – January 15, 2018, 10:40:07 am

50 year old diesel would start and run fine. Diesel does have additives that do have a limited life and diesel will go "out of spec" after a certain period and could increase emissions a little. Not that the engine would notice.

Biodiesel absorbs much more water than petrol diesel so I would think an unvented container would be best for storage. B5 is used in many locations in California's Central Valley. B100 will cut CO2 emissions from 20 lbs/gal down to 5 lbs/gal. For those living there, especially down by Bakersfield, anything that reduces the air pollution is welcome.

Pierce

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Reply #38 – January 15, 2018, 11:30:49 am

Pierce, me not being all that knowledgeable re emissions, but it seems strange that one gets 20# of CO2 emissions from a gallon of diesel that weighs around 8#. Typo or is this really actual?
Us uneducated ones would like to know.

Or is the typo like up home where the weather station predicted 2-3' of snow (four letter word, I know) for the night but actually meant 2-3"?

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Reply #39 – January 15, 2018, 11:57:39 am

Contamination is prevalent up in the Pacific N.W. I learned about it from the fishermen, who had all sorts of problems with the boats sitting in the off-season. Our Airstreams got it pretty good, too. I love being in Arizona!

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Reply #40 – January 15, 2018, 12:05:59 pm

Just to migrate the subject a little: How many of us are using diesel lubricants since ULS fuel started? I understand that certain oil companies are adding the lubricants, but don't know which.

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Reply #41 – January 15, 2018, 12:53:39 pm

Quote from: nitehawk – January 15, 2018, 11:30:49 am

Pierce, me not being all that knowledgeable re emissions, but it seems strange that one gets 20# of CO2 emissions from a gallon of diesel that weighs around 8#. Typo or is this really actual?
Us uneducated ones would like to know.
Or is the typo like up home where the weather station predicted 2-3' of snow (four letter word, I know) for the night but actually meant 2-3"?

I knew someone was going to ask that question.

So, the additional weight is CO2 converted from the air the engine burns. Here is the website with the graph on the left side toward the bottom.
https://www.e2.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/CaliforniaBiodieselValueChainReport.pdf

On Sven's question, I carry a combination bio/lubricant/cetane improver in a gallon jug in next to the tank and add it on a regular basis. Years ago, I got a bad load of diesel out in the desert in a Mercedes 220D. The engine knocked really loudly so I reduced the speed to about 50 mph. When I got to a truck stop, I added a quart of additive to the tank and in a minute, the knocking stopped. Yes, a minute.

I was in Wisconsin and knew I had algae in the secondary filter of a 190D. It had lost power with much of a throttle load. I stopped and got a tank of B100. The engine immediately regained power until I had to fill up again. By that time, I had picked up a new filter. The biodiesel must have a thinner viscosity. Can't think of another reason.

Pierce

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Reply #42 – January 15, 2018, 02:34:37 pm

Pierce, what brand of lubricant... do you use and where do you get it (if not easily found)?

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Reply #43 – January 15, 2018, 04:02:44 pm

I have a 80 oz container of Power Service's Diesel Kleen next to the tank. It's about $15 and treats 250 gallons. They make several products including a tank cleaner. Many truck stops and auto parts stores carry it.

Amazon.com: diesel kleen

Gone are the days of a really powerful algae killer as a quart could shut down a water treatment plant.

Pierce

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Reply #25 – December 29, 2017, 09:39:36 pm

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Reply #27 – January 14, 2018, 01:10:29 pm

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Reply #28 – January 14, 2018, 02:51:05 pm

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Reply #29 – January 14, 2018, 03:05:07 pm

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Reply #30 – January 14, 2018, 03:11:27 pm

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Reply #31 – January 14, 2018, 03:16:15 pm

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Reply #32 – January 14, 2018, 05:16:18 pm

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Reply #33 – January 14, 2018, 05:37:41 pm

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Reply #34 – January 14, 2018, 07:22:28 pm

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Reply #35 – January 14, 2018, 08:28:38 pm

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Reply #36 – January 14, 2018, 09:02:33 pm

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Reply #37 – January 15, 2018, 10:40:07 am

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Reply #41 – January 15, 2018, 12:53:39 pm

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