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front hwh 6 pack

Does anyone know the part number for the front hwh 6 pack on a 98 u270?
previous 1984 35 ft ORED 250 HP 3208 Cat       
previous 1998 40 ft U295 CAI 325 hp Cummins
previous 2003 40 Ft u320 build #6140 450 Cummins M11.                                                         
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Ron, Nancy, Tipper the cat, Max The dog
1997 U 270 36 ft build number 5174 8.3 Cummins

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Does anyone know the part number for the front hwh 6 pack on a 98 u270?
Unless actual damage to aluminum block, way cheaper to rebuild solenoid valves.HWH Leveling Six Pack Manifold Replacehttp://www.foreforums.com/index.php?topic=27598.msg226555#msg226555
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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I just bought 2 complete valves here:

Replacement HWH Air Solenoid RAP1940: nwrvsupply.com

Super nice people. Sent them Priority mail to where I am at. I highly recommend carrying one complete with you.I carry the rebuild kits with me, but lost the magnet portion of the valve in the middle of the desert. Luckily I had a new spare with me. You won't find these in the auto parts store.
6 pack's easy to rebuild. I chose to fix them as they start leaking. Guess I am lazy.
Chris
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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Does anyone know the part number for the front hwh 6 pack on a 98 u270?

As has been indicated you likely just need solenoid refresh. If, however, you need a new aluminum block, you can buy one from the manufacturer. They have to make it and the cost is over $800 for the blank block.
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As has been indicated you likely just need solenoid refresh. If, however, you need a new aluminum block, you can buy one from the manufacturer. They have to make it and the cost is over $800 for the blank block.
jor

YIKES!

Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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Can't you buy the replacement block from hwh for about 850$? With the solenoids ?

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Can't you buy the replacement block from hwh for about 850$? With the solenoids ?

Would that were true! I would have bought it. I talked with Mary at HWH in October (2017) and she quoted me $802 for part number RAP9283 which she described as the drilled aluminum block. She advised me that all of the parts (solenoids & pressure switches) had to be purchased separately. I'm still looking for a used block but not having any luck.
jor

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Would that were true! I would have bought it. I talked with Mary at HWH in October (2017) and she quoted me $802 for part number RAP9283 which she described as the drilled aluminum block. She advised me that all of the parts (solenoids & pressure switches) had to be purchased separately. I'm still looking for a used block but not having any luck.
jor

What is wrong with the block? Just curious....Machine shop can't repair?
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348

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What is wrong with the block?

The aluminum block is just flaking apart. The corrosion goes right into the drilled-tapped holes. I did a half ass rebuild on it by cleaning, painting and replacing o-rings and it is not leaking but I can't abide something like this. I hope to find a replacement that is in normal condition. I've had three FTs with six packs and never saw anything like this and I'd like to take care of it.
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Same here with the flaking six pack. Hope you find and share your solution.

Roland
1993 U280 4341
2010 Jeep Liberty
The Pied Pipers

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What does the rear HWH manifold look like?
John Duld
1995 U320C SE 40'


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The rear manifold looks OK. I just cleaned it off with the intention of rebuilding it later. Hate to think of my front as sacrificial!  :) Interesting that you also have this issue, Roland. Anyhow, I'll keep looking for a replacement.
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I am surprised you were able to get it all sealed up. Hope you find a used one reasonably priced.
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I think the rear 6-pack manifold is often "protected" by the thick layer of grease and dirt that naturally accumulates on everything in that vicinity.  Probably one of the good reasons to resist taking a steamer to any of the critical components under the coach.

I agree the corrosion on Jor's manifold looks terrible, and I wouldn't like it either.  However, as long as it is surface damage, and does not affect the function of the unit, then replacement is not mandatory.  None of his photos show the sealing surfaces under the brass valve bodies.  Those are the critical areas of the block, where any imperfection or roughness might cause a leak.  On the other side of the block (shown in the photos) where the hose connectors screw in, the condition of the surface is only a cosmetic concern.  As long as the threaded holes are intact, they should seal and work fine.

If anyone comes up with a source for a reasonably priced replacement for these manifolds, please let the Forum know!
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If anyone comes up with a source for a reasonably priced replacement for these manifolds, please let the Forum know!
Wonder if this might include the six pack?
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Dave and Nancy Abel
'00 U320 36' WTFE  Build #5669
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Would that were true! I would have bought it. I talked with Mary at HWH in October (2017) and she quoted me $802 for part number RAP9283 which she described as the drilled aluminum block. She advised me that all of the parts (solenoids & pressure switches) had to be purchased separately. I'm still looking for a used block but not having any luck.
jor



I was confused .. I was thinking the bladder manifolds. I have seen these on ebay from time to time

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Wonder if this might include the six pack?
Therein lies my frustration. They tell me they don't have one but I suspect they do. Just never heard of anyone wanting one of these things used. I'll give them another call just in case. I also called Visone as they have wrecked FT and they also said they didn't have one but I suspect they can't find it.

Another thing according to HWH. We really have to buy the manifold that was made specifically for Foretravel. Others, for example Country Coach, look the same but are drilled differently.
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Finally got around to installing my shiny new front HWH manifold. Thanks to JerryW I got the pressure switches in the right holes. The new one is set up a little different than the originals. The exhaust ports are threaded for some reason. Anyhow, works like a charm. The back one is in a lot better shape so I'll just rebuild the solenoids.

The front original looked awful. I couldn't even separate the cans on four of the solenoids as the nuts were welded onto the stud I cleaned it up best I could, threw in some new o-rings and bolted it back up. It worked fine for the last year but now I have a bit of peace of mind.

One other thing, was it JohnS that posted a few years back the idea of using different colored zip ties to ID the electrical connections. Worked great.
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When I was in the loader business, did lot's of demolition jobs. Loved the phone trunk lines I took out. saves my Snap-On number tapes.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
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Jor, Where did you end up finding the HWH manifold?

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Could it be possible to mill the block to remove corrosion?
John
1998 U270 34'

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Where did you end up finding the HWH manifold?

I ordered it from Foretravel and HWH shipped it directly to me. Same as JerryW. It was $634.50 with the Motorcade discount.
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