Help broke down on I-17 by Flagstaff

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Help broke down on I-17 by Flagstaff

February 11, 2018, 04:18:07 pm

Red apple one of our guys is broke down on the north bound 17 near flag. He said he was pulling the big hill and it sputter and quit, he has a 2000 GV with a 450 Cummins. He said he has been having trouble with his primary fuel filter loosing prime. He replaced the filter but won't start. Does the 450 have injector lines that he can bleed off? Thanks for any help guys

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Reply #1 – February 11, 2018, 04:38:00 pm

Yikes! That is one NASTY HILL, hope he gets going. If I was closer, I'd shoot up there..I know Northern Arizona Diesel is closed today.

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Reply #2 – February 11, 2018, 04:48:33 pm

The win racor system will sell bleed off if you push the button on the rear. If he has a replacement like my new razor, then he has to push in the scraper valve as he is cranking.

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Reply #3 – February 11, 2018, 05:04:45 pm

Quote from: John S – February 11, 2018, 04:48:33 pm

The win racor system will sell bleed off if you push the button on the rear. If he has a replacement like my new razor, then he has to push in the scraper valve as he is cranking.

Did he try the priming button at the top of the rear access? That has saved me a few times... Sounds like he is due for a fuel line replacement.

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Reply #4 – February 11, 2018, 05:08:39 pm

It would be hot as hell pulling that grade today, wonder if the heat had something to do with it?, Though 76 in Phoenix is balmy, that climb! I can make it with ours, but I don't try in the heat of the day.

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Reply #5 – February 11, 2018, 06:17:43 pm

Quote from: mike leary – February 11, 2018, 05:08:39 pm

It would be hot as hell pulling that grade today, wonder if the heat had something to do with it?

Where is the steep part of the climb? It's presently 67 in Camp Verde and 47 degrees in Flagstaff...

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Reply #6 – February 11, 2018, 06:25:32 pm

Ok just got off the phone with Larry, they had made it to munds park when it quit, tried the suggestions and no go. So the tow truck is on the way to take them to freightliner in Flagstaff.
The can stay in the coach and get looked at tomorrow. Mike it was not a heating problem he was past the big hill . Thanks for the help guys.

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Reply #7 – February 11, 2018, 06:36:20 pm

Quote from: Chuck & Jeannie – February 11, 2018, 06:17:43 pm

Where is the steep part of the climb? It's presently 67 in Camp Verde and 47 degrees in Flagstaff...

Phoenix is about 1,000 ft, Camp Verde is 3,000 ft. That is one steep "pull". Then you've got another to Flagstaff, which is almost 7K.
When it gets really hot, a lot of people will take 87 "The Beeline" up to Flagstaff, it's not as steep.

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Reply #8 – February 11, 2018, 07:00:21 pm

Thank you everyone
Tow truck coming, taking us to freight liner Flagstaff 😎

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Reply #9 – February 11, 2018, 07:06:31 pm

Quote from: RedApple – February 11, 2018, 07:00:21 pm

Tow truck coming, taking us to freight liner Flagstaff 😎

Try your best to see what they are up to, they like to stick clients in a run-down "lounge". Good luck!

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Reply #10 – February 11, 2018, 09:35:24 pm

Winn and rubber fuel lines and a grade and low fuel can contribute to this.

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Reply #11 – February 13, 2018, 02:13:56 pm

In the process of replacing fuel line to AquaHot...Biodiesel and the older FT's fuel lines not compatible......Will be doing the big engine and the generator soon...very soon

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Reply #12 – February 13, 2018, 04:20:57 pm

So far a lot of passing the buck at Freight Liner
Just had a conversation with the service manager
Asked that he get an air filter soon, then I see what's next

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Reply #13 – February 13, 2018, 04:34:46 pm

Can you post a photo of your primary filter, it will help diagnose your problem.
On another note,post you coach information in your signature line.

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Reply #14 – February 13, 2018, 05:23:27 pm

Quote from: RedApple – February 13, 2018, 04:20:57 pm

So far a lot of passing the buck at Freight Liner

I'm sure the back issues of Reader's Digest are still in the "Lounge" as when I spent a lovely day with them!

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Reply #15 – February 13, 2018, 07:56:33 pm

It's a 2000 GV320

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Reply #16 – February 13, 2018, 08:04:41 pm

If it still has the racor filter I would be suspect of it as many others have had problems with it. They should be able to see if it is pumping. Where the round clear filter has the line coming into the top there is an o ring and many times these leak air into the system and also many times the pump in the racor goes bad.

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Reply #17 – February 13, 2018, 08:23:20 pm

Tom Hall has a fix for most all coaches with his electric fuel pump and clapper valve modification. Makes it super easy to change filters and not have to wear out the starter. It can also temporarily overcome air leaks until you can find them. Our logging truck parts store ordered the valve me at $31 instead of the $50 he paid. Naturally, the pump would be 12V and not the 24V that his coach has.

Tom Hall

Pierce

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Reply #18 – February 14, 2018, 05:37:24 pm

I know our new friend has blown a couple of fuses on his ECU/ECM. Hopefully he'll respond with more information.

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Reply #19 – February 15, 2018, 09:47:30 am

Here's a follow up to our adventure so to speak
Replaced the air filter and reseated the Winn fuel filter
Got (Stormy) to start and stay running 😅
Paid our $445. Bill and left
Put had to return because of a vibration through the coach
They checked it and we told that a needle bearing had fell out
The put it in the shop this time, refunded the first bill with no charge for the final repair
We do not plan on going back to much anger and prodigal to deal with
Thank you everyone for your help

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Reply #20 – February 15, 2018, 10:03:04 am

Quote from: RedApple – February 15, 2018, 09:47:30 am

Here's a follow up to our adventure so to speak
Replaced the air filter and reseated the Winn fuel filter
Got (Stormy) to start and stay running 😅
Paid our $445. Bill and left
Put had to return because of a vibration through the coach
They checked it and we told that a needle bearing had fell out
The put it in the shop this time, refunded the first bill with no charge for the final repair

Red,

The needle bearing fell out of what? U-joint? Did they pull the driveshaft to tow? What did the final repair consist of?

No one should ever let a towing service pull the driveshaft. Too many chances for a costly mistake. Buy the axle hub covers and pull BOTH axles. Easy and it saves a lot of potential problems. I keep posting this but...

Pierce

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Reply #21 – February 15, 2018, 10:42:41 am

Quote from: RedApple – February 15, 2018, 09:47:30 am

We do not plan on going back to much anger and prodigal to deal with

X2 (in spades). I can say it now, did not want to jinx Larry, but they screwed me over a few years ago. I'd hoped they got their act together, but appears not. Northern Arizona Diesel and Little America are my choices in Flag. Happy trails, Larry!

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Reply #22 – February 15, 2018, 11:15:54 am

No one should ever let a towing service pull the driveshaft. Too many chances for a costly mistake. Buy the axle hub covers and pull BOTH axles. Easy and it saves a lot of potential problems. I keep posting this but...

Pierce
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OK. I'll bite. Axle hub covers?? Pull axles ?? I may be new to the world of MH ownership, but I have NO IDEA of what you are talking about. I sense that I MAY, however, one day wish that I did. Where does one go to learn about the proper procedure, should you ever need it, of getting your coach towed without thousands of dollars of damage ?? I'm sure that I am not the only one out here who is wondering the same. Thanks.

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Reply #23 – February 15, 2018, 11:30:44 am

Research AXLE COVERS on the entire forum section,you'll get most of the info you need.

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Reply #24 – February 15, 2018, 01:52:32 pm

Quote from: John44 – February 15, 2018, 11:30:44 am

Research AXLE COVERS on the entire forum section,you'll get most of the info you need.

Good advice John. Axle covers come in pairs and both must be installed or the spider gears will turn faster than designed and since they are plain bearings, be damaged. The damage may not be immediately apparent. I would post the part number but not all Foretravels have the same number and spacing of the studs.

If not properly done, drive shaft R&R has the possibility of not being torqued correctly and may come loose hundreds or thousands of miles down the road. They should also be marked and replaced as taken off. Not very likely with the average tow truck driver for the removal and as you have seen, shops may not install correctly. A simple job but simpletons abound in the world of repair shops.

Pierce

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