Allison shift pad

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Allison shift pad

April 29, 2018, 09:52:38 pm

My push button shift selector/pad is becoming increasingly slow to respond.
I seem to remember tell of a company that rebuilds them?!.
If there is no such rebuilding option any advice on where to look for reasonably priced replacement?
Thanks as always!

Re: Allison shift pad

Reply #1 – April 29, 2018, 10:23:46 pm

Tom,
These folks do a top notch job Transmission Instruments Several here have used these folks.

Mike

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Reply #2 – April 30, 2018, 06:19:37 am

I just got my shift pad back from Transmission instruments. Could not be happier with there work and attitude.
I did not get the same soft touch screen back, its a hard plastic push button screen, works great and has a better feel than the soft touch. Looks brand new.

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Reply #3 – April 30, 2018, 10:48:21 am

Quote from: Lon and Cheryl – April 30, 2018, 06:19:37 am

I just got my shift pad back from Transmission instruments. Could not be happier with there work and attitude.

Good to know, my 'N' is sticking, not all the time, but I know this won't get better. Price?

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Reply #4 – April 30, 2018, 10:55:40 am

Quote from: Lon and Cheryl – April 30, 2018, 06:19:37 am

I just got my shift pad back from Transmission instruments. Could not be happier with there work and attitude.
I did not get the same soft touch screen back, its a hard plastic push button screen, works great and has a better feel than the soft touch. Looks brand new.

Pics? Help a Brother out!!

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Reply #5 – May 01, 2018, 07:26:38 pm

Quote from: DavidS – April 30, 2018, 10:55:40 am

Pics? Help a Brother out!!

here you go, bro.

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Reply #6 – May 01, 2018, 10:28:51 pm

I wonder if the pad would work with the newer system that only shows the selected gear not selected and actual?

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Reply #7 – May 02, 2018, 01:57:46 pm

Brett replaced our 'one window' display in 2010 with the dual window, looks the same as Lon's, I like the 'click' buttons !

Lon, what did you pay for it?

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Reply #8 – May 02, 2018, 02:09:51 pm

Mike, your '93 probably came with a 2 window display from Foretravel. Hope to find out if it wasn't and that they are interchangeable.

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Reply #9 – May 02, 2018, 02:20:17 pm

Quote from: craneman – May 02, 2018, 02:09:51 pm

Mike, your '93 probably came with a 2 window display from Foretravel. Hope to find out if it wasn't and that they are interchangeable.

Correct. 1993 Allison 3000/4000 had two window displays.

I do not believe two windows can be interchanged in place of one window. A good reason for Scan Gauge D, Silverleaf, etc if you have the one window display and are not comfortable determining gear by speed and RPM.

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Reply #10 – May 02, 2018, 02:24:27 pm

Until I put in the VMSpc, I didn't know the coach wouldn't upshift to 6th until 63 mph. Towing in Cal. limits speed to 55 so I am running in 5th while towing and mileage suffers.

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Reply #11 – May 02, 2018, 05:24:47 pm

Quote from: craneman – May 02, 2018, 02:24:27 pm

Until I put in the VMSpc, I didn't know the coach wouldn't upshift to 6th until 63 mph. Towing in Cal. limits speed to 55 so I am running in 5th while towing and mileage suffers.

So you're saying the CHiPs don't have no sense of humor? They won't let you fudge it a bit up to 63? Bummer.

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Reply #12 – May 02, 2018, 05:48:40 pm

Quote from: mike leary – May 02, 2018, 01:57:46 pm

Brett replaced our 'one window' display in 2010 with the dual window, looks the same as Lon's, I like the 'click' buttons !

Lon, what did you pay for it?

Transmission Instruments charged about $500 including return S&H. It took a few days for them to turn around.
First class service. I much prefer this new pad to the old one.

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Reply #13 – May 02, 2018, 05:54:59 pm

Quote from: Chuck & Jeannie – May 02, 2018, 05:24:47 pm

So you're saying the CHiPs don't have no sense of humor? They won't let you fudge it a bit up to 63? Bummer.

I have a commercial license and am not allowed to remove a violation with traffic school. Also 10 mph over the speed limit and possible suspension on commercial lic. Insurance premium goes up also, and on a crane not good. When we go to other states I can get into high towing the Jeep.

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Reply #14 – May 02, 2018, 09:53:38 pm

Interesting as my m11 upshift into 6th occurs at 55. I think the shift points are adjustable? Same axle ratio

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Reply #15 – May 02, 2018, 11:46:06 pm

Quote from: Caflashbob – May 02, 2018, 09:53:38 pm

Interesting as my m11 upshift into 6th occurs at 55. I think the shift points are adjustable? Same axle ratio

We must have something different if not the rear gears. Maybe Allison computer can be programed. When not towing I have experimented by getting up to 63 and watching the VSMpc show 6th gear and then backing down, around 58 it goes back into 5th. Did the ISM mine has change anything to the shift points?

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Reply #16 – May 02, 2018, 11:56:59 pm

"In ECONOMY MODE, the transmission will not downshift even at WOT (Wide Open Throttle) until the engine pulls down to peak torque RPM in some application and 200 RPM lower that "regular mode" in others. And similarly, on up-shift, economy mode will shift into a higher gear EARLIER-- with the difference only at or near WOT."
Brett posted this many years ago, think the Allison 4000 can be programed to default to either normal or economy mode. Mine shifts at about 63 also, maybe Bobs is programmed for default economy mode operation.

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Reply #17 – May 03, 2018, 08:18:47 am

My tranny shifts to 6th at 61mph. Not 60.5 even.

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Reply #18 – May 03, 2018, 09:02:50 am

Yes, the Allison ECU can be reprogrammed by an Allison dealer. BUT (large BUT) the RPM range is what is set, so it would affect all gear changes, not just 5-6.

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Reply #19 – May 13, 2018, 10:16:10 am

Quote from: Lon and Cheryl – May 01, 2018, 07:26:38 pm

here you go, bro.

was it simple to remove? Getting ready to tackle it after feeding MOMS.

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Reply #20 – May 13, 2018, 07:21:42 pm

If all repairs were this simple I would be a very happy camper.
Less than 15 min. even if you "milk" the job.

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Reply #21 – January 10, 2021, 02:26:09 pm

Changed fuel filters and started coach,was going to move around but will not go in drive,all the other buttons work but drive will not beep or indicate drive,removed keypad,will call the repair place in morning.The wiring harness had a jumper wire between number
3 and 1, the wire was cut/broken,connected the wires but just got the 2 snake eyes,disconnected wire and will wait to talk to repair place.

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Reply #22 – January 10, 2021, 02:29:43 pm

That is what John does for a living: Transmission Instruments

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Reply #23 – January 10, 2021, 02:56:09 pm

Quote from: John44 – January 10, 2021, 02:26:09 pm

The wiring harness had a jumper wire between number 3 and 1, the wire was cut/broken...

The cut wire has been noticed by many Forum members when they are poking around the back side of the touch pad. It is a "modification" to the touch pad wiring connector, done by the factory when the touch pad is located remotely from the Allison CPU. The cut wire is discussed here:

Allison Touch Pad connector

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Reply #24 – January 10, 2021, 03:55:17 pm

Quote from: John44 – January 10, 2021, 02:26:09 pm

Changed fuel filters and started coach,was going to move around but will not go in drive,all the other buttons work but drive will not beep or indicate drive,removed keypad,will call the repair place in morning.The wiring harness had a jumper wire between number
3 and 1, the wire was cut/broken,connected the wires but just got the 2 snake eyes,disconnected wire and will wait to talk to repair place.

Try putting hair dryer on the touchpad to warm it up and see if that gets it to go in gear. I am assuming you made sure engine was at slow idle when you tried to shift into gear. If idle is too high it will not let the transmission go into gear

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