Caterpillar Oil

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Re: Caterpillar Oil

Reply #25 – September 11, 2018, 10:39:14 am

You can run these on a diesel engine. They work awesome. You can run them on the transmissions, and even as a fuel filter, with different cartridges.You c see everything going on. All my friends run them on their race cars. All the Street Outlaw guys have them
Look to lower right on my engine picture. Picture of cartridge after the first dyno hit with new aluminum engine
They are made right here in Spokane but Jessica and Mike fellow racer's. You can buy them through Summit. They can't build them fast enough

Here is Jessica, with Big Chief at the Semi show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pdD4dyjAmA

Here is Mike. He has helped me a bunch with my combo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wATX_RX-H9s

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Reply #26 – September 11, 2018, 12:11:58 pm

Similar filters have been around for over 20 years for industrial engines,have used them on engines with over 100 gal. capacity.They
come in different micron sizes,one drawback is that you either have to have a spare to change out or clean the existing filter,we
would run ours until it reached a point and a light would signal it's time to clean.
Another type is the Spinner 2 system,it's a by-pass system and does work,can be seen at TF Hudgens in Houston.

Re: Caterpillar Oil

Reply #27 – September 11, 2018, 01:09:53 pm

Quote from: Old phart phred – September 11, 2018, 01:35:37 am

Not trying to be political as no parties are mentioned. After reading that hvo article, a few things bug me mainly the use of the word proprietary (aka a license to steal, make it appear to be competitive at first, regulate into a requirement and then steal all you want). Whose holy Grail is this sellers or consumers? Plants need to be superscale, which means any disruption in few supply chains, the few distribution chains, or a mishap at the plant will bring nation's to there knees. Germany's war machine ground to a halt somewhat, because the ball bearing plants were bombed first. Back to the lubrication thing I kinda like synthetics in a turbo motor, and bypass filters or any other filters for that matter don't typicaly achive their published micron ratings until 2/3 lifespan ratings, because it very tough to produce any filter media to that tight of tolerances. Can a machine tool be calibrated to one micron? JMO filters every other fluid change.

JMO?

Re: Caterpillar Oil

Reply #28 – September 11, 2018, 01:53:53 pm

JMO=just my opinion, not a brand of filter

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Reply #29 – September 12, 2018, 06:46:05 am

I had the block replaced in my Dodge pickup at 177,000 miles by Cummins due to the famous #53 block problem. It had only seen Walmart dino oil. Crosshatching was very visible in all cylinders.

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Reply #30 – September 13, 2018, 09:56:40 pm

Found this on a Cat sight. Have seen it many other places.

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Reply #31 – September 13, 2018, 10:33:47 pm

Quote from: Old phart phred – September 11, 2018, 01:53:53 pm

JMO=just my opinion, not a brand of filter

So.... you met to say IMHO?

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Reply #32 – September 13, 2018, 10:58:57 pm

Quote from: gracerace – September 13, 2018, 09:56:40 pm

Found this on a Cat sight. Have seen it many other places.

Yes on the 15-40 for my location 117 summer, -13 winter for grand total diverse weather range of 130 degrees. 4 seasons for sure. 4 sets of clothes. Coach length varies depending on the weather. LOL. Coach House so I can get some work done year around hopefully now.

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Reply #33 – September 15, 2018, 08:00:44 pm

OK
So after several stops at a bunch of places, no one carries 10/30 Diesel oil. Yes, some places have synthetic, or synthetic blend. I know lots of you like synthetic, as I mentioned, when I saw the oil pressure in my new 20K race car engine go to 10 psi idling, then while checking the oil, it ran off the stick like water, I just wasn't impressed. Once I switched to 20/50 Lucas racing oil, bam, normal oil 40-45 psi idling pressure. I know, I get the better lubricating of synthetic, but I guess I am just old school!

Didn't post this to talk you out of synthetic oil, I realize it's benefits, but even the Cat engine manual doesn't recommend it. I know it was written a few years ago. I realize many of you have had success with it, that is great.

After a bunch of research, I found out Cat 10/30 and 15/40 oil is made by Mobil. It's the devac 1300 super. Comes with great reviews all over the place. Super oil for older diesel engines, helps with ash from the fuel. Most the time I don't run bio fuel anyway. When it talked about deposits behind the rings, it got my attention.

I can understand why many of you want to run 15/40, that makes sense in higher temps,but 10/30 is good to 104 F. Since our engine is new and getting broken in, I feel 10/30 will be better for it. Probably won't drive it much this winter, but will this fall, and next spring.

So here is the Deal. Summit has the oil, in 15/40, and 10/30 for $14.99 a gallon.Other sizes are out of stock. Over $100.00, free freight. But wait, it gets better. Mobile has a rebate of $7.40 on a gallon, up to 10 gallons. Good till the end of the year:

10/30
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mob-122485-1

15/40
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mob-122492-1

From their sight:

Mobil Delvac 1300 Super motor oil is an advanced diesel formula that helps extend engine life, allowing you to run your business with confidence. These products meet or exceed OE requirements and deliver high performance in both on and off-highway applications. Fully backward compatible, Delvac 1300 Super delivers exceptional performance in both newer and older heavy-duty engine designs. Accordingly, it meets or exceeds the requirements of API CK-4, CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, and CH-4 service categories, as well as key factory requirements.

Cheers Chris

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Reply #34 – September 15, 2018, 08:20:30 pm

Mobil Delvac 1300 Super...$10.97 at Walmart. With $7.00 rebate/gal jug 10 limit...Now thats a nice discount...$3.97/gal.
John
Up to Off Mobil Delvac™ engine oils | Mobil Delvac™

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Reply #35 – September 15, 2018, 08:32:58 pm

Quote from: John and Stacey – September 15, 2018, 08:20:30 pm

Mobil Delvac 1300 Super...$10.97 at Walmart. With $7.00 rebate/gal jug 10 limit...Now thats a nice discount...$3.97/gal.
John
Up to Off Mobil Delvac™ engine oils | Mobil Delvac™

That is a good price for 15/40. But can't even order 10/30 in at wally world ......But this still works out from summit $1.95 a qt for 10/30.
I took 3 cases of Delo back to Costco today.
$120.00 for 5 gallon plus tax at cat, then they have to order it in. Otherwise, $20.00 a gallon plus tax, and I have to drive 20 miles in traffic.
Thanks for the great input

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Reply #36 – September 15, 2018, 10:28:12 pm

do what makes you confident, at that oil price run the engine several hours to flush out any stray stuff, and change oil. but your shop looked pretty clean. I'm guessing you chose a machine shops that also was clean.

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Reply #37 – September 15, 2018, 10:36:01 pm

What was the weight of the synthetic you used?Was it 20w50?

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Reply #38 – September 15, 2018, 11:22:48 pm

Quote from: John44 – September 15, 2018, 10:36:01 pm

What was the weight of the synthetic you used?Was it 20w50?

In the race car, it was 10/30 Joe Gibbs Driven racing oil. Cost $150.00. Dumped it out 2 times (20 qts). What a waste of $300.00. It was recommended with Alcohol, running less then .025 clearances. Which I have.That was after a $100.00 of Joe Gibbs break in oil , and another oil change of Delo 10/30 to clean the engine.

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Reply #39 – September 25, 2018, 11:57:21 pm

Thinking of adding a Amsoil bypass filtration on our M11 using Valvoline Premium blue extreme oil 5W-40 and a donaldson blue filter for the high flow filter. Not sure if this is a waste of money or not but considering the investment, and the cost of replacing the engine, thinking this might be a good thing. I use synthetic oil only in my jeep so why not the cummins?

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Reply #40 – September 26, 2018, 12:41:31 am

Either Foretravel or HMC put a Luberfiner LF 500 by-pass on my '81 I Have the LF-750 on my crane. It adds capacity and does collect a lot of crud.

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Reply #41 – September 26, 2018, 09:10:58 am

Quote from: Bob and Julie – September 25, 2018, 11:57:21 pm

Thinking of adding a Amsoil bypass filtration on our M11 using Valvoline Premium blue extreme oil 5W-40 and a donaldson blue filter for the high flow filter. Not sure if this is a waste of money or not but considering the investment, and the cost of replacing the engine, thinking this might be a good thing. I use synthetic oil only in my jeep so why not the cummins?

Bob,

Your M11 is good with just "regular" oil and filters for a million miles. And that is pulling a lot more weight in OTR trucks. So, I do not see the oil system as a weak point that needs improvement.

Re: Caterpillar Oil

Reply #42 – September 26, 2018, 09:23:58 am

oil bypass filters can promote cleaner oil by using a very low micron filter. That being said they work in bypass mode by bleeding a small quantity (most likely 10% or less) of filtered oil from the engine based on the oil pressure required to operate the bypass filter system. Therefore at lower or idle oil pressures they may have very little volume flow and filtering ability. As the bypass filter starts to get clogged less volume of oil flows through it due to increased pressure drop, so it loses its filtering ability based on volume. As long as you understand these two basic physical limitations that no amount of hype can defeat, do what makes you happy.

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Reply #43 – September 26, 2018, 10:29:24 am

Having used the bypass filters for at least 30 years I 've never had one"clog up" and I go one year.As for the million miles I agree
but the other side of the coin is what if every person on this forum or elsewhere that had an overhaul done was using synthetic oil?
Just read my engine book and it talks about cleaning the oil tube from the air compressor when it gets coked up with hot oil
synthetic would stop that.

Re: Caterpillar Oil

Reply #44 – September 26, 2018, 10:30:00 am

As Brett says, regular oil is good for several hundred thousand miles and is not a "weak" point in most conditions. Where the synthetic shines is with owners who can't get it in their head that they can't just shut the engine off at the top of a grade where the photo op is or after a good pull, stop for lunch or dinner without cooling the oil for several minutes. Petro oil will coke in these conditions and ruin turbos and then possibly cause high EGTs that can damage the engine from ruined turbo seals. Most of the new OTR trucks are now programmed to fast idle for up to 20 minutes after stopping to allow the oil to cool down to a point where there is no "heat soak."

Synthetics are great in forgiving the uninformed owner but not necessary to insure long life. Yes, a bypass filter will collect a lot of crud and a pretty good idea to me. Nice to have one with a spring loaded valve to not allow flow at low pressures as not to drop oil pressure at idle.

I run synthetics in everything from chain saws to our cars but just not the U300 as I like to change oil once a year (old school) and can't justify the extra expense.

Pierce

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Reply #45 – September 26, 2018, 10:32:42 am

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – September 26, 2018, 10:30:00 am

I run synthetics in everything from chain saws to our cars but just not the U300 as I like to change oil once a year (old school) and can't justify the extra expense.

Pierce

Ditto. Mobil 1 in all gasoline engines. Either Shell Rotella T or Delo in the diesels (try to stick with what brand previous owner used).

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Reply #46 – September 26, 2018, 01:02:56 pm

I have a caterpillar 3126B engine That I run Rotella T6 synthetic oil. I run a OPS eco pure filter system with a 10 inch filter. I now have 190,000 miles and running strong, I change all filters at 20,000 miles and send in a oil sample at this time, I do change oil at this time even tho sample always shows good to go.
Bill

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