Luber finer air filter

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Luber finer air filter

September 17, 2018, 06:27:48 pm

Luber Finer filters. Anyone use these air filters? It seems that OTM used it on my coach when they replaced the filter. It is almost half the cost of Fleetwood or Donaldson.....but that isn't the determining factor. I would think that OTM knew what they were doing.....when they were in business!!!??? Thanks

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Reply #1 – September 17, 2018, 06:47:45 pm

I have for the last 6 years....Oil,Air,Fuel.

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Reply #2 – September 17, 2018, 06:55:05 pm

Never used them, just got a donaldson p148043 from Ryder fleet products under 55 bucks including shipping. Don't see any problem with luber finer though. Withe that said, I have used all the major brands and the donaldson fits better. But as always DWMYFG 😎🍺

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Reply #3 – September 17, 2018, 06:55:55 pm

They are good,but not as good as the Donaldson blue,and yes old town was a business but went under for some reason.

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Reply #4 – September 17, 2018, 08:46:21 pm

If you do not absolutely know that it has an internal screen get rid of it right now. My PO had service done on the coach before we bought it and they put in a cheap LuberFiner filter that failed and caused $28,000 in engine damage.

If you are not sure take it out and put in a quality new one.

Why would you risk your engine to save a few bucks on a cheap critical filter?

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Reply #5 – September 17, 2018, 11:33:07 pm

So how did the Lubefiner filter fail,was it the air filter,looked at their site and the air filters I saw had the inside metal cage.

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Reply #6 – September 18, 2018, 12:25:39 am

They implode, due to inaduqute internal structure. At that point everything on the outside of the filter may be stripped off and carried by a high velocity air rush into a engine high vacuum. Implosion is equally as violent as an explosion.
Explosion is typically followed by an implosion, and vice versa. Not good.

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Reply #7 – September 18, 2018, 12:26:21 am

Reply #68 this has been discussed before and the Luberfiner is fine.

Air Filter Element Pricing

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Reply #8 – September 18, 2018, 06:00:17 am

Answered my question about the filter after reading all the previous posts,Roger's filter got WET and failed,think in this case no
matter what filter he had the result would have been the same.The coaches with the drivers side air intake and the Donaldson
seperator are less likely to have this problem then the ones with the intake by the camera.

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Reply #9 – September 18, 2018, 06:30:52 am

Read up on Donaldson air filter products,if you have the seperator with the rubber duck bil device and if it has any wear and or
missing rubber,replace it.According to Donaldson during operation it will expell dirt and water but should be in good working order.
The Donaldson site has some good info and video's on air filtration.The rubber device is called a vacuator,and I found some on
Ebay.
Think if I had a coach with the top vent intake and no seperator I would look into modifying some way.

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Reply #10 – September 18, 2018, 10:10:02 am

Wet or not no internal mesh structure on your filter is a disaster waiting to happen. The LF used was $30 cheaper than the best Donaldson. What a deal. Just don't take the chance.

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Reply #11 – September 18, 2018, 01:48:34 pm

I have a lot of respect for the " collective wisdom" on this forum. There are those of you, in particular, who I pay close heed to. I had ordered the LAF filter from Amazon, as it was $20 cheaper than what I had paid at Old Town Motors, and had a two day free delivery. After reading the above posts, I got sufficiently concerned that I learned how to cancel an Amazon order. The problem I still have is...do you REALLY think that OTM would have installed an inferior air filter in my coach?? I had just purchased the coach and was trying to help them establish a clientele base. Would they have allowed themselves that type of liability?? Now I have a filter that is still in my coach, and I am afraid to look at it. If I had more time, I would simply order a Fleetguard and be done with it, but we are packing up to get on the road. It will now have to wait until I get to Texas.

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Reply #12 – September 18, 2018, 02:58:28 pm

Good catch

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Reply #13 – September 18, 2018, 03:14:05 pm

Gleam,I would just take it out and look at it,take a rag and wipe out the inside of the housing,it won't hurt anything.

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Reply #14 – September 18, 2018, 04:24:40 pm

I maybe new to the site but know a little about preventive maintenance. Back in the day I switched a rather large fleet of heavy equipment and on and off road trucks to Donaldson made air filters. If I remember correctly the ppm of ingested dirt (silicone) from oil sampling went down after switching. Just an observation. Less dirt less wear ie....longer life.

Sometimes the best might cost a bit more but is usually cheaper in the long run.

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Reply #15 – September 18, 2018, 05:19:43 pm

Glenn, Did OTM give a part number for the filter they installed? They should have in an itemized list of parts installed. If so you can look it up and see what the filter looks like. If it has no internal screen or you cannot tell then get it replaced whan you can. Getting the air filter wet in a big rain storm is more common that you might think. We got caught in what was described as a 100 yr storm south of Prescott AZ. They got 20" of anow at the GC in the same event in just a few hours. It is probably OK as long as you check or change before a big rain.

Somehow filters seem the the last thing I want to save money on when what they protect is worth so much.

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Reply #16 – September 18, 2018, 05:25:57 pm

Quote from: GleamB – September 17, 2018, 06:27:48 pm

Luber Finer filters. Anyone use these air filters? It seems that OTM used it on my coach when they replaced the filter. It is almost half the cost of Fleetwood or Donaldson.....but that isn't the determining factor. I would think that OTM knew what they were doing.....when they were in business!!!??? Thanks

Glenn,
As I recall you got your FT a couple of years back. What makes you think you need to change the air filter already? I would do as others have suggested and remove the filter and have a look at it. It may not be so dirty that replacement is necessary and you will know if it looks suitable for your application.

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Reply #17 – September 18, 2018, 05:40:44 pm

I've tried removing and cleaning but with poor results. The restriction gauge immediately went to past what Detroit recommends so I changed it. Now, after a fairly short time, the restriction gauge is past the limit so I will be changing it again. In trying to clean it, all that I did was create clouds of dust in the air without changing the reading on the gauge much. Too much pressure, especially with a wet filter can damage it. That's a fatal mistake for any pusher diesel. Having a look at it does not give much of a hint of the restriction level.

Many Foretravels, especially GVs, have an air intake designed to pickup as much dirt as possible with from the intake location at road level behind the rear tires. We go down a lot of dirt roads so ours clogs in a hurry.

Detroit 2-cycles use over twice as much air as a 4 cycle so the filter only lasts half as long. This is why ours comes OEM with a 5 inch exhaust.

Look up the maximum restriction for your engine and compare it to the gauge reading.

Pierce

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Reply #18 – September 18, 2018, 07:54:02 pm

Roger,
That is point. I first looked up the part number that OTM had installed, from my invoice. I, then, entered it in a google search and found the Amazon price. I then checked it against Fleetguard and Donaldson. Amazon offered two day free delivery, the others could have been two weeks. I have read past posts that say Cummins doesn't like us to reuse filters. The idea of inspection is ok, except I have no place to purchase a replacement quickly. If there is no danger of me doing damage to the coach, I will check the filter tomorrow. Does the coach have to be running to look at the air filter guage?

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Reply #19 – September 18, 2018, 08:08:32 pm

Quote from: GleamB – September 18, 2018, 07:54:02 pm

Roger,
That is point. I first looked up the part number that OTM had installed, from my invoice. I, then, entered it in a google search and found the Amazon price. I then checked it against Fleetguard and Donaldson. Amazon offered two day free delivery, the others could have been two weeks. I have read past posts that say Cummins doesn't like us to reuse filters. The idea of inspection is ok, except I have no place to purchase a replacement quickly. If there is no danger of me doing damage to the coach, I will check the filter tomorrow. Does the coach have to be running to look at the air filter guage?

No, it does not have to be running. As the restriction goes up, the reading on the gauge goes up too. It stays at the highest reading until it's manually reset. If you reset it by pushing the reset button, you won't be able to get a new accurate reading unless you drive it and go to WOT (wide open throttle) as the engine will be quite happy with even a very clogged filter at idle or if you "blip" the throttle. When we replaced ours, there was a definite power increase. Note that a damp filter will cause the restriction gauge to read higher. When the filter dries out, the gauge won't come back down until you manually reset it. Bottom line is that if you have driven in the rain or for some coaches with the next to the ground air intake in wet pavement conditions, you will have to reset the gauge in dry weather and then drive it to be sure of an accurate reading.

Big air filters are not cheap but neither are new engines.

Pierce

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Reply #20 – September 18, 2018, 08:18:13 pm

Gleam,you probably have a Donaldson filter housing,look around it,it may be on the back or not in plain sight for a label with the
Donaldson filter number,one way to be sure.

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Reply #21 – September 19, 2018, 01:52:47 pm

Anyone using their blue filter ?
Donaldson blue
What about 2 stage filtration if you were boondocking alot where its pretty dusty?

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Reply #22 – September 19, 2018, 02:35:41 pm

Using the Donaldson blue.

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Reply #23 – September 19, 2018, 03:02:20 pm

The Cummins engine tech that rebuilt my engine said if you open the air filter canister, remove the old filter, clean the canister very carefully and put in a new air filter. I have replaced it once since the rebuild with a Blue Donaldson filter and will do it again in about a year. I do not carry one with me. I do this as a regular maint thing. Even still a quality air filter can get to you in two days from Amazon. A premium air filter might take longer. If you have room bring one along.

Every one gets to choose how and when and with what they do this. Its your engine.

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Reply #24 – September 20, 2018, 01:34:09 pm

Roger,which insurance company do you use,seems like they did good covering the engine?

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