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Rally issue

I really appreciate having a forum where political discussions don't insert themselves; it's a safe refuge from what we are all bombarded with on a daily basis and nothing seems to be accomplished by arguments/debates except that lines are drawn.

I'm hoping that this approach is used at rallies as well.  We've been to three rallies and have had a great time, with the exception where politics raised its ugly head at one event.
We've noticed a drop off on the number of attendees and I understand that the NW club has disbanded due to lack of participation.  Politics has the potential to cause further erosion.
Sven
2000 U320 mid entry  #5688
2006 Jeep Liberty


USMCR retired
SDFD retired
FEMA US&R TF8

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Reply #1
Very true.  I only discuss politics with a very small select group of friends.  I have friends of differing political persuasions and we've mostly all agreed to disagree knowing that we won't change each other's minds.
Now about the darn weather........
Forest & Cindy Olivier
1987 log cabin
2011 Roadtrek C210P
no longer 1999 36' U320 build #5522
2013 Rzr 570 & 2018 Ranger XP1000
2006 Lexus GX470
2011 Tahoe LT 4x4
Previous 1998 45' 2 slide Newell, 1993 39' Newell

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Reply #2
Three things never to discuss:
Religion
Politics
Making recommendations on doctors.
In restless dreams I walked alone.
Narrow streets of cobblestone.


'93 U225
Build 4337
'14 CRV Toad

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Reply #3
X2 what Moby said!!!!
Jerry & Nanci
1999 U270 34'WTFI
2011 Malibu
A smart man knows what to say, a wise man knows when to say it.

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Reply #4
Three things never to discuss:
Religion
Politics
Making recommendations on doctors.
How about including Detroits vs. Cummins?

I've been practicing with a quick draw holster for Q. ;D

P
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #5
How about including Detroits vs. Cummins?

I've been practicing with a quick draw holster for Q. ;D

P

NAH, we ARE here/there to discuss mechanical issues.  Caterpillar/Cummins/ Detroit Diesel all have their proponents!

Let the games begin.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
Moderator, ForeForum 2001-
Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
Moderator, FMCA Forum 2009-2020
Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Reply #6
My intent is to keep the Calif. Chapter rally in Temecula this fall totally non-political. PM me if you want a flyer.
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

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Reply #7
Speaking of Rallys, the California chapters is coming up next month at Pachanga RV resort and casino. 15 coaches so far, still have room for more!
Richard & Betty Bark & Keiko our Golden Doodle
2003 U320T 3820 PBDS
Build # 6215
MC # 16926
2016 Chevrolet Colorado 4X4 diesel

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Reply #8
That sounds like fun.. What are the dates?


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Reply #10
Does the Cummings pur like a cat 
Bob and Carol Cox
1987 gv 36 ft dp
Cat 3208t
2013 tundra crew cab lift

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Reply #11
When the diesels were first being used in foretravels,the owners would say ,if it's not a a cat,it's a dog. That's for the older group !
George Ray 1992 U280 40'

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Reply #12
I wanted a real engine.
That's why I have a  Cummins!
 :D  :)  :D
Better check your year 5.9L Cummins for a KDP,  killer dowl pin. My 10.6L alley cat just purs up 6% grades, and down grades because there's no replacement for displacement.
Old Phart Phred, EIEIO
89 GV ored 36' #3405 300 hp cat 3208 ATAAC side radiator, mountain tamer exhaust brake

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Reply #13
   Wagon Masters Tom & Diane Lang
California Chapter Foretravel Motorcade 2018 Fall Rally!
 Pechanga RV Resort
45000 Pechanga Parkway, Temecula, CA 92592
Check In – Thursday Nov. 29th - Check Out Monday Dec. 3rd $375 for Two People $325 for a Single – includes RV park fees, group activities,
and a continental breakfast each day
We've planned fun group activities – winery tour, tasting and lunch, March Field Air Museum tour, and Old Town Temecula Community Theater production of "A Christmas Carol. You'll also have plenty of time to enjoy the Pechanga Resort, Casino & Spa and tour Old Town Temecula.
For additional information, Call Tom Lang: (626) 260-6727
Please reserve your space by sending your payment by October 15th to Treasurer, Betty Bark
10480 Canyon Lake Drive, San Diego, CA 92131
(858) 695-2022
 First Name: ___________________________________ Last Name:_______________________________ First Name: ___________________________________ Last Name:_______________________________ Mailing Address: ________________________________________________________________________ Cell Phone Number: _________________________Other Contact Number:_________________________ Email Address: __________________________________________________________________________ Length of Coach: _____________Number of Slides: ______________ Number of People: _____________ Foretravel Motorcade Number: _________________________________________________
 
Tom Lang K6PG (originally  KC6UEC)
and Diane Lang
2003 38 U295 build 6209
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel
still have tow-ready 2006 Acura MDX 
Temple City, California
Motorcade 16681 California Chapter President
SKP 16663 member of SKP Park of the Sierra, Coarsegold California
FMCA F071251
Retired electrical and electronic engineer

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Reply #14
I understand that the NW club has disbanded due to lack of participation. 
Sven

The NW chapter had a rally in Montana not long ago. I wasn't able to attend, But maybe a decision was made at that event. Although as a member of the NW chapter. I haven't been notified.

I did go to the rally & chapter meeting in Pendleton, Or. as a guest. What I heard was:
1, Very low Foretravel density in this region.
2, The NW region is very large. So with the large area and not many Foretravels in that area, Just getting to a regional rally is a days long journey for a lot of folks to attend a 3-4 day event and a days long journey to get back home. So it takes a dedicated person to attend an event.
3, Lack of volunteers.
 
The NW Motorcade faces the same issue I do in the running of the camera club that I'm president of. Lack of active members and even fewer that come forward and volunteer. We have 30 total members and only about 5 core members are involved and at most 15 attend a meeting. The other members haven't been heard from in a great long while, But still pay dues.

Then there is the modern American that seems to think they have to schedule 30 hours of activities into their 24 hour day 7 days a week and then wonder why they are so busy and don't have free time. 
Jerry & Nona and Kimeru the cat that thinks she's a dog
1998 36' WTFE U320  #5314 Motorcade #17711
USAF 1975-1995
2019 Subaru Crosstrek 'toad'
2003 Subaru Legacy touring car
jerry Fincher | Flickr

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Reply #15
We are in the Great Plains Chapter.  In almost eight years there has only been one rally within a days drive.  There are 7 or 8 FTs in Minnesota that are in the MC Club. I have sent each of them a welcome note and info on the forum.  I have met only one of them.  We have had more FTs visit us in Hastings from TX than there are MN FTs. Other states as well, if you are passing this way let us know, friends are welcome.

It would be fun to have a MN rally.

The Great Lake Chapter events mostly centered in Michigan is still a two day drive but probably more inviting to us.

Civility and respect are the norm at most of these get-togethers.  If that is not the case you are free to seek other more compatible company.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #16
"I did go to the rally & chapter meeting in Pendleton, Or. as a guest. What I heard was:
1, Very low Foretravel density in this region.
2, The NW region is very large. So with the large area and not many Foretravels in that area, Just getting to a regional rally is a days long journey for a lot of folks to attend a 3-4 day event and a days long journey to get back home. So it takes a dedicated person to attend an event.
3, Lack of volunteers."


We attended this rally, along with some other California owners from outside this chapter, and the attendance was not large.  We would not have traveled so far (from San Diego) if we were only going to the rally.  As RVers, we are pretty accustomed to traveling long distances and are less inclined to attend rallys in our  "back yard", since there isn't much we haven't seen.  We did a tour of the NW, but based the timing around the rally dates.  We enjoyed meeting NW members, two of whom we visited after the rally at their homes.  The officers expressed some frustration in that there were no volunteers to relieve them of their responsibilities.  Since they did not want to continue indefinitely and since no one offered to step up, they felt the chapter would close.  There was a small contingent of NW Motorcaders at the Pendleton rally and that did not help.
2000 U320 mid entry  #5688
2006 Jeep Liberty


USMCR retired
SDFD retired
FEMA US&R TF8

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Reply #17
We are attending our first rally in Florida Dec 5.

I sure as heck don't intend to discuss politics. But that is nothing new; I avoid that everywhere I go.

We are newbies and want to absorb knowledge about running these coaches. It would also be cool to gain some friends. Next month we celebrate 2 years owning the coach. In exactly 19 months we retire and hit the road full time.

This discussion is a reminder to me that I need to volunteer to assist the organizer.

Michael Hayley; Barry Brennan
2001 U320, 36', IFS, build #5909
Buster and Shelby, (Boxers)

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Reply #18
"I did go to the rally & chapter meeting in Pendleton, Or. as a guest. What I heard was:
1, Very low Foretravel density in this region.
2, The NW region is very large. So with the large area and not many Foretravels in that area, Just getting to a regional rally is a days long journey for a lot of folks to attend a 3-4 day event and a days long journey to get back home. So it takes a dedicated person to attend an event.
3, Lack of volunteers."


We attended this rally, along with some other California owners from outside this chapter, and the attendance was not large.  We would not have traveled so far (from San Diego) if we were only going to the rally.  As RVers, we are pretty accustomed to traveling long distances and are less inclined to attend rallys in our  "back yard", since there isn't much we haven't seen.  We did a tour of the NW, but based the timing around the rally dates.  We enjoyed meeting NW members, two of whom we visited after the rally at their homes.  The officers expressed some frustration in that there were no volunteers to relieve them of their responsibilities.  Since they did not want to continue indefinitely and since no one offered to step up, they felt the chapter would close.  There was a small contingent of NW Motorcaders at the Pendleton rally and that did not help.

Part of the issue I have had within the photo club (and is likely the same in most clubs) is the fact that the general membership expects a jam packed gala event at every meeting. Yet won't lift a finger to help or take a chair position. Yet I don't blame folks for not wanting to step into the line of fire. It's a tough job keeping the "I must do it all every day" Americans from complaining or getting bored. (can you tell I lived in Europe & Japan for years?) Much more relaxed life styles.

After 20 years of military service, I became a seat of my pants impromptu sort at heart. So I'd be happy to just talk, Go somewhere, Do something extemporaneously. I loathe vacations that must have an agenda planned down to the minute from sunrise to sunset. Which of course doesn't fit well with clubs.
Jerry & Nona and Kimeru the cat that thinks she's a dog
1998 36' WTFE U320  #5314 Motorcade #17711
USAF 1975-1995
2019 Subaru Crosstrek 'toad'
2003 Subaru Legacy touring car
jerry Fincher | Flickr

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Reply #19
Many things like clubs are in transition because of advances in media.  I attend our wood turning club for the joy of hands on examination of projects and a live demo of techniques.  The location is 30 miles away.  BUT Youtube has videos on virtually every technique I can imagine.  The online clubs have searchable databases and I have long distance friends and mentors.

Hmmm, kind of like the forum.  Time was we met with others at these gatherings and did show and tells and how to.  I spent the last year holed up in my drive while the ticker was in maintenance.  The coach was a great diversion. But without media it would have been tough.  So these gatherings have become something done for the joy of friendship.  They have also become less formal.  We have spent many January's in Quartzite.  However I will confess that Motorcades are starting to appeal to us as the clock takes its toll and the ability to exercise independence narrows. 
George and Steph
1997 U270 36 Build 5081 "Honu"
1180w Solar 400A lithium all Victron house system
Motorcade 17670, SKP 128300, FMCA F459019
73 VW Camper, 79 VW Camper, 2363 Sunline, and an Arctic Fox 25P

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Reply #20
Mid South next week Hot Springs, Ark
Dan & Shirley Stansel
2002 U295 4020 AGDS Build#6054
Towing Buick Enclave & M &  G Braking
Emerald Bay, Lake Palestine, Texas
MC# 16650

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Reply #21
We have 27 coaches signed up for the Mid-South rally. This about normal for this chapter.
We try to coordinate our fall rallies with the GrandVention so this probably helps. I think we have a few coaches from other chapters, too.
I think there about 85 coaches registered for the Branson GrandVention.
If you haven't tried a chapter rally or Motorcade event I would encourage you to give them a shot. Just like this forum it is another venue for keeping the Foretravel faithful in touch with one another.

Steve
Steve & Sandy
2003 U320 4220 WCDS, build#6160
Motorcade #17794
USMC '67-'71

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Reply #22
Might be nice to have a dedicated page for coming rally's.  Perhaps a tab in campfire. 
George and Steph
1997 U270 36 Build 5081 "Honu"
1180w Solar 400A lithium all Victron house system
Motorcade 17670, SKP 128300, FMCA F459019
73 VW Camper, 79 VW Camper, 2363 Sunline, and an Arctic Fox 25P

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Reply #23
It looks like the east has more participation.  More FTs back east?
2000 U320 mid entry  #5688
2006 Jeep Liberty


USMCR retired
SDFD retired
FEMA US&R TF8

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Reply #24
More FTs and they are closer together.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN