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Solar Battery Charging

I have read so many articles on adding solar that I am totally confused.

So I will see if this is simple way of doing it

I am looking at amsloar's 50A system and was wondering if there is room on the roof for up to 4 170w panels and still be able to move around up there on my 36' coach.

I would guess this is enough to keep my batteries up and on sunny days with the sun over head even run some of the systems.  If I did 4 panels that would give me a max of 680w but I realize getting the full amount is probably not a reality.

What is the roof construction is there plywood under the fiberglass or do you have to find the frame work in the roof to be able to attach the panels and stuff?

Currently I have 2 house batteries and 2 red top starter batteries, but I do have another rack where I could add a 3rd house battery.

If I add solar for charging the batteries I found a place to store my coach about 2 miles from my house instead of 40 miles for the same price.
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #1
Do some research into panel sizes, 170 watt is pretty small today. You might be able to fit larger 300+ watt panels.
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #2
...do you have to find the frame work in the roof to be able to attach the panels and stuff?
Some members swear by using adhesive to stick the panel brackets on the roof.  Others like to use screws into either the fiberglass or the steel roof frame members.

AM Solar uses glue-on brackets for the installations they do in their shop.  We had ours done there in Sept of 2015 with glued-on brackets.  Have had zero failure of anything they installed in the 4 years since.
1993 U280 SE 40' WTBI, Build: 4359
C8.3 300hp, 6-Speed, Exhaust Brake
960 watts on the roof (6 x 160)
Sorento (or BOLT) on a Kar Kaddy SS
"Nature abhors a vacuum"

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Reply #3
I have read so many articles on adding solar that I am totally confused.

So I will see if this is simple way of doing it

I am looking at amsloar's 50A system and was wondering if there is room on the roof for up to 4 170w panels and still be able to move around up there on my 36' coach.

I would guess this is enough to keep my batteries up and on sunny days with the sun over head even run some of the systems.  If I did 4 panels that would give me a max of 680w but I realize getting the full amount is probably not a reality.

What is the roof construction is there plywood under the fiberglass or do you have to find the frame work in the roof to be able to attach the panels and stuff?

Currently I have 2 house batteries and 2 red top starter batteries, but I do have another rack where I could add a 3rd house battery.

If I add solar for charging the batteries I found a place to store my coach about 2 miles from my house instead of 40 miles for the same price.


40' U320, eight 180 watt panels. I can walk (very carefully) from rear ladder to front with some careful step arounds.
Dan - Full timing since 2009
2003 U320 40' Tag 2 slide

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Reply #4
Do some research into panel sizes, 170 watt is pretty small today. You might be able to fit larger 300+ watt panels.

I wondered about the size but I thought the more watts the larger the panel?
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #5
Some members swear by using adhesive to stick the panel brackets on the roof.  Others like to use screws into either the fiberglass or the steel roof frame members.
AM Solar uses glue-on brackets for the installations they do in their shop.  We had ours done there in Sept of 2015 with glued-on brackets.  Have had zero failure of anything they installed in the 4 years since.
Thanks Chuck, I like the idea of being able to tilt the panels if for no other reason is to clean under them.  is this still possible with the glue down brackets?
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #6
Yes it is but you willneed supports to hold them at an angle. Easy tomake them.
JohnH
Coachless, now use aircraft. 2003 Ford Travelair TC280 class C. Super shape. Just for 1 yr .
1994 Ford E350 ClassC,total renovation inside and out. Now sold.
2000 U295  36' Cummins 350 c/w Banks Stinger, Resonator upgrade,Solar, LED lites.Residential fridge with slide out pantry. Build 5674. Sold
ex 92 GV 022C ored Cummins. Sold
ex 95 GV240 cat 3116. Sold
2017 Mini cooper s & 2016 land Rover LR2 HSE  LUX.
jhaygarth@aol.com    SKP #130098
treat everyone as you would like to be.

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Reply #7
40' U320, eight 180 watt panels. I can walk (very carefully) from rear ladder to front with some careful step arounds.
Thanks, all my appliances are still gas so that may be a bit more than what I need but you never know, more is better :-)  how many watts are your panels.

If the batteries are at float does the system just shut off incoming power?

I am probably to clumsy to have that many. "LOL"
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #8
Yes it is but you willneed supports to hold them at an angle. Easy tomake them.
JohnH
Thanks John, I saw that and I do have a drill press and a chop saw that that would be a easy make for that part
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #9
I wondered about the size but I thought the more watts the larger the panel?
True, but it not proportional eg: 340 watt panel approx 78X39. 170 watt panel approx. 58X26. First time I bought panels, made a template out of cardboard and tried it on different spot on the roof to see where they could fit. You will also see the price per watt normally goes way down with bigger panels.
Bigger panels often mean higher voltage which means smaller wiring down to controller.
Been using uni-strut  and VHB tape for many years with no problems.
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #10
Steve, for the level of effort and $ put on as many high wattage panels that you can.  I have 4 300 watt full sized commercial panels, non-tilting with custom brackets that match the curve of the roof stuck on with 3M VHB tape.  This is a project many can do themselves.  I can get to everything on the roof that might need it.  I would suggest finding a panel that you think will work and make a cardboard cutout the same size, maybe several, and see how they will fit on your roof.  Your rear roof rack is a limiting feature there but you can work around it or remove it.

We can get more than 6KWh on a good summer day (about twice what we use).  Mid winter gloom, low sun angles maybe 2KWh.  It is sort of a best fit.  You want enough to fully recharge your batteries every day.  Adding another battery with the same use reduces the depth of discharge on each battery and increases their life. If you are lucky, very limited generator time. Send a PM if I can help more.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #11
I put 4 285 watt panels (330 watts today) on our 36 foot roof. I screwed them down, some into the aluminum supports, some into the glass/wood. The roof is .400" thick, a think layer of FG and then the rest is wood. There were already at least a couple hundred screws into the roof so I added about 40 more. No problems or leaks in over 10 years. I have not touched anything since I installed it.

If you have a drill press, saw and just a little talent, make your own mounts. Just do a neat job without cables looking like a San Francisco trolly.

See my old list of materials, sources from years ago. Don't tilt the panels unless you are clever. If you try and get up on the roof to tilt them, you WILL fall off sooner or later and probably end your RV life.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #12
Thanks, all my appliances are still gas so that may be a bit more than what I need but you never know, more is better :-)  how many watts are your panels.

If the batteries are at float does the system just shut off incoming power?

I am probably to clumsy to have that many. "LOL"
Eight 180 watt panels, 1440 watts total.

  36' coach I would probably do no more then 6 180 watts.  Less if only for storage purposes.  With the right solar controller it will taper down then shut off charging as needed for long battery life.

Dan - Full timing since 2009
2003 U320 40' Tag 2 slide

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Reply #13
True, but it not proportional eg: 340 watt panel approx 78X39. 170 watt panel approx. 58X26. First time I bought panels, made a template out of cardboard and tried it on different spot on the roof to see where they could fit. You will also see the price per watt normally goes way down with bigger panels.
Bigger panels often mean higher voltage which means smaller wiring down to controller.
Been using uni-strut  and VHB tape for many years with no problems.
Thanks jcus, I do have some large pieces of cardboard I can cut up, thanks for the idea.
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #14
Steve, for the level of effort and $ put on as many high wattage panels that you can.  I have 4 300 watt full sized commercial panels, non-tilting with custom brackets that match the curve of the roof stuck on with 3M VHB tape.  This is a project many can do themselves.  I can get to everything on the roof that might need it.  I would suggest finding a panel that you think will work and make a cardboard cutout the same size, maybe several, and see how they will fit on your roof.  Your rear roof rack is a limiting feature there but you can work around it or remove it.

We can get more than 6KWh on a good summer day (about twice what we use).  Mid winter gloom, low sun angles maybe 2KWh.  It is sort of a best fit.  You want enough to fully recharge your batteries every day.  Adding another battery with the same use reduces the depth of discharge on each battery and increases their life. If you are lucky, very limited generator time. Send a PM if I can help more.
Thanks Roger, are you using a 100 amp charge controller?
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #15
I put 4 285 watt panels (330 watts today) on our 36 foot roof. I screwed them down, some into the aluminum supports, some into the glass/wood. The roof is .400" thick, a think layer of FG and then the rest is wood. There were already at least a couple hundred screws into the roof so I added about 40 more. No problems or leaks in over 10 years. I have not touched anything since I installed it.
If you have a drill press, saw and just a little talent, make your own mounts. Just do a neat job without cables looking like a San Francisco trolly.
See my old list of materials, sources from years ago. Don't tilt the panels unless you are clever. If you try and get up on the roof to tilt them, you WILL fall off sooner or later and probably end your RV life.
Pierce
Thanks Pierce, the only reason I considered tilting them was to clean the roof, are your brackets tall enough you can clean under them.

For over 30 years I wrote those easy to follow instructions on to build airplane parts "LOL"
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #16
Eight 180 watt panels, 1440 watts total.
  36' coach I would probably do no more then 6 180 watts.  Less if only for storage purposes.  With the right solar controller it will taper down then shut off charging as needed for long battery life.
Thanks, I really dont want to burn up my batteries, I am not sure how old they are but so far they seem to be holding up OK.
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #17
Thanks, I really dont want to burn up my batteries, I am not sure how old they are but so far they seem to be holding up OK.
Does not matter how much solar you have, a good solar controller will shut off, and not overcharge your batteries. If you read the forum, you will see many have gone to residential fridges. If you do that down the road, you will be happy with the extra charging ability.
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #18
Does not matter how much solar you have, a good solar controller will shut off, and not overcharge your batteries. If you read the forum, you will see many have gone to residential fridges. If you do that down the road, you will be happy with the extra charging ability.
Thanks for the information Jim, I travel by myself so my gas/elec fridge me just fine.  I lived in it for 2 months last year and it was plenty big from my beef, bacon, and eggs "LOL"
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

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Reply #19
You need to spend several days reading all you can online and don't be in a hurry.  Don't try and reinvent the wheel and learn from others mistakes. I like commercial panels as they are built like tanks. 39 inches wide and about 77 inches long with a 1 1/2" thick aluminum frame. About 52 lbs so they will take a lot of abuse from trees, wires, etc. Most will be 36 volts so four panels in a series parallel wiring with bring about 72 volts in only four wires down to the the controller. Could do all parallel and have more wires coming down. All series would bring 144 volts in only two wires but on a cold morning, the voltage would exceed 150 volts and is discouraged by controller manufacturers as well as giving a possible fatal shock to the installer or during maintenance. Figure about 1 1/2" clearance between the bottom of the panel and the roof at the lowest point on a curved roof or 1 1/2" under a flat roof like ours.

96" coaches need more planning as the 3 inches on each side make a difference.

A good MPPT controller will get about 2/3 of the potential wattage from the panels in summer.

Our coach with LED lighting and 4K TV never needs the generator with less than 500ah house battery bank. Propane fridge and no AC.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #20
I fit six 320 watt panels on my 34 ft U270.

Lessons learned:

1. Get Sunpower panels, model X22 370 watt panels are the most durable and efficient (22%), and well worth the cost.
2. Don't bother tilting them. Just add more panels.
3. I used VHB tape and aluminum brackets, which is working well after 2 years of outdoor use and 16,000 miles.
4. Leave at least 4 inches above roof. This aids in cooling and allows cleaning.
5. The panels can stick out over the side of the rig up to the mirrors. I did this and they cleared every obstacle.
6. Install as many panels as you can fit. On cloudy days, power is reduced by up to 90%, so you'll be glad you have the power.
1997 U270 34FT Build 5140 Cummins 8.3 Allison 3060R
Solar 1920Watts, 14KWH lithium. Orion BMS.

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Reply #21
Steve, I have a Victron SmartSolar MPPT 150/70-Tr Charge Controller.  When I first installed this I used three 300 watt panels.  With four now a Victron SmartSolar MPPT 150/785-Tr Charge Controller would be better.  I lose a little bit on the very best days but for most days it is fine.  I'd get the bigger one if I could sell the one I have.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #22
On the other side of the solar spectrum, my 400 watt (4-100 watt panels) system along with my 300 amp hours of LiFePO4 batteries are working great!  I do have the Dometic fridge so take that into account.  With watching TV, Pepwave, laptop and phones charging (on a separate 350 watt inverter), aquahot running when needed, microwave to heat dinner, our typical overnight usage is less than 100 amp hours, usually 60-80.  On this Alaska trip I haven't had to use the generator to charge the batteries yet.  I did have a few days of overcast and rainy weather but the batteries did well enough to keep going with partial solar.  The first thing you should do is install a good battery monitor like a Victron BMV-700 series or other.  That will allow you to see how many amp hours you use. 
Now if we were full-time and dry camping in the winter I would add more panels.  Or if/when we go to a residential fridge, then I'd add 1 more 100 amp battery & at least 2 more panels.
Forest & Cindy Olivier
1987 log cabin
2011 Roadtrek C210P
no longer 1999 36' U320 build #5522
2013 Rzr 570 & 2018 Ranger XP1000
2006 Lexus GX470
2011 Tahoe LT 4x4
Previous 1998 45' 2 slide Newell, 1993 39' Newell

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Reply #23
You need to spend several days reading all you can online and don't be in a hurry.  Don't try and reinvent the wheel and learn from others mistakes. I like commercial panels as they are built like tanks. 39 inches wide and about 77 inches long with a 1 1/2" thick aluminum frame. About 52 lbs so they will take a lot of abuse from trees, wires, etc. Most will be 36 volts so four panels in a series parallel wiring with bring about 72 volts in only four wires down to the the controller. Could do all parallel and have more wires coming down. All series would bring 144 volts in only two wires but on a cold morning, the voltage would exceed 150 volts and is discouraged by controller manufacturers as well as giving a possible fatal shock to the installer or during maintenance. Figure about 1 1/2" clearance between the bottom of the panel and the roof at the lowest point on a curved roof or 1 1/2" under a flat roof like ours.

96" coaches need more planning as the 3 inches on each side make a difference.

A good MPPT controller will get about 2/3 of the potential wattage from the panels in summer.

Our coach with LED lighting and 4K TV never needs the generator with less than 500ah house battery bank. Propane fridge and no AC.

Pierce
Thanks Pierce, I was wondering about the voltage deal, I have seen 12, 24, and 36 v and was not sure if I had to just have 12v  panels
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5

Re: Solar Battery Charging

Reply #24
I fit six 320 watt panels on my 34 ft U270.
Lessons learned:
1. Get Sunpower panels, model X22 370 watt panels are the most durable and efficient (22%), and well worth the cost.
2. Don't bother tilting them. Just add more panels.
3. I used VHB tape and aluminum brackets, which is working well after 2 years of outdoor use and 16,000 miles.
4. Leave at least 4 inches above roof. This aids in cooling and allows cleaning.
5. The panels can stick out over the side of the rig up to the mirrors. I did this and they cleared every obstacle.
6. Install as many panels as you can fit. On cloudy days, power is reduced by up to 90%, so you'll be glad you have the power.
Thanks Tim, I will look up those panels
Steve

1997 U270 36' build 5179
Motorcade #18147
1980 CJ5