Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #25 – August 08, 2019, 10:24:25 pm Quote from: John S – August 08, 2019, 09:46:44 pmI do not think they will compare favorably to some of the other coaches on the lot unless the person knows FT. Now that they are the same chassis what sets them apart from a newmar or Entegra or Tiffen. People will look and see the price and decide that way. They are ok on the IC 37 I would figureAgree completely with most this. Most of the folks who visit these dealers are going to go side by side on those brands and the uplift for a FT will be hard to justify. Where I disagree is that Newmar's New Aire is seriously stiff competition for the IC-37 and I think the New Aire comes out heads and tails ahead for someone wanting a shorter DP. That is based on looking at specs and the many photos of each available online. The IC's interior seems stuck in the past, and the exterior is not terribly attractive. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #26 – August 08, 2019, 10:53:06 pm Quote from: Michelle – August 08, 2019, 10:24:25 pmAgree completely with most this. Most of the folks who visit these dealers are going to go side by side on those brands and the uplift for a FT will be hard to justify. Where I disagree is that Newmar's New Aire is seriously stiff competition for the IC-37 and I think the New Aire comes out heads and tails ahead for someone wanting a shorter DP. That is based on looking at specs and the many photos of each available online. The IC's interior seems stuck in the past, and the exterior is not terribly attractive.The 33 footer New Aire has only the smaller 6.7 engine, but the bigger 35 ft models has the same drivetrain as the IC-37, think it will be stiff competition to the IC in the smaller coach market as it lists for $75000 less.2020-new-aire-brochure.pdf - Google Drive Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #27 – August 09, 2019, 03:03:07 am Built over carpeting. Flange seal on slideouts. Aluminum frame. 90 gallons versus 150 fuel. Smaller holding tanks. 5/8" insulation in walls. Batten in roof. No mention of heated floors. As a salesman give me more to sell. If you can afford one you can afford the other Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #28 – August 09, 2019, 08:50:01 am Quote from: Caflashbob – August 09, 2019, 03:03:07 amBuilt over carpeting. Flange seal on slideouts. Aluminum frame. 90 gallons versus 150 fuel. Smaller holding tanks. 5/8" insulation in walls. Batten in roof. No mention of heated floors. No "build over carpeting" that I see. Heck, no carpeting that I see at all. Flange seal easier (and cheaper) to replace than a slide bladder - handy folks could even do their own. 5/8" bead foam is in addition to wall (and ceiling) insulation - it is not the primary insulation. Heated floors are an option.FT is using a smaller hydronic heating plant with no engine heat/preheat loop.It is hard to see what you get for the extra $ with the IC. The fact that they had to drop the price already (who did the market research on that one initially? They should be sent packing) confirms it.Quote from: Caflashbob – August 09, 2019, 03:03:07 amAs a salesman give me more to sell. If you can afford one you can afford the other Then you are exactly the kind of pushy salesman I would never buy from (and have left a sales location because of it). Quote Selected 5 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #29 – August 09, 2019, 08:59:52 am Quote from: Michelle – August 09, 2019, 08:50:01 am (who did the market research on that one initially? They should be sent packing) Most likely the same ones that did the market research on that B camper that kind of fizzled.Mike Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #30 – August 09, 2019, 10:05:03 am Putting FT next to the aforementioned brands that are likely priced at a much lower price point may not bode well. Newell might as well get in there too. Most folk buying these models are likely not going to have these new units 3-5 years. As we all know all of them deprecate like a rock , so 500k vs close to Mil. Hum. As far as bigger tanks and such l doubt any of these new units will be doing any extended Dry camping any time soon so that's a moot point. IMHO it's likely to force FT to reduce prices to become competitive, that could be a bad thing. Of course I am a poor travel owner so just my thinking. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #31 – August 09, 2019, 12:26:48 pm The horse trailer person too. Sadly they are probably not going to be able to compete with the higher volume manufacturers as they all have the same product now. Just an observation but one I made when they went away from building coaches their installed base bought in the past. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #32 – August 09, 2019, 01:30:44 pm After spending some time reading the other rv forums, found older used coach owners do know about Foretravels, but the new buyers of sub 40 ft high line motorhomes, generally only know about Newmar, Enterga, Winnebago, Tiffin and Thor, etc., with Newmar generally thought to have the best quality and value. Appears the most valued quality of a new coach is floorplan and decor. Far different than the days when Foretravel, Country Coach, Beaver and American Coach were top of the line, and quality really mattered.Funny reading about complaints on new SOB's, cabinet doors falling off, doors sticking, plumbing leaks, walls moving, slides leaking and not flush with body, and many comments saying, "you have to expect that in a new coach and it is easier if you just fix it yourself" Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #33 – August 09, 2019, 01:53:25 pm Upper Midwest was not the build quality capital long ago. That's being courteous. No aluminum framing. No batten. Any roof ladder? See any 30 year old Indiana coaches around? Business expands. You hire new people who need training. Quality drops.Seen this many times, cyclical biz.Need a plant tour video.I turned off the Cornerstone video when they rolled out the carpet and put the cabinets on top. That was after the 256 bolts holding the wooden cross beams in the floor to the chassis frame rails part.In the video or tour I would want the see if they pinched rolled the sidewalls or bagged it during the laminate part.Did they weld the bars in the wall or just insert them like cornerstone. If the welded them did they weld all around?Welded steel frame can normally take a roll over and be uprighted and drive, Walk the roof of any prospective rv. Oh no ladder? They do not want you up there. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #34 – August 21, 2019, 10:42:45 pm I see moving the new coaches to MHSRV and RV ONE may be working. One IC-37 now shows as sold. Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #35 – August 22, 2019, 12:33:48 am Those two dealers are too few. I'd love to see a dealer in Nac, such as MOT. Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #36 – August 22, 2019, 10:12:31 am Quote from: Tom Lang – August 22, 2019, 12:33:48 amThose two dealers are too few. I'd love to see a dealer in Nac, such as MOT. I bet this will be brought up at the Grandvention. The questions is does MOT want to be a dealer?I hope they keep a coach or two at the factory. When I am there for service I always go thru the new units. Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #37 – August 22, 2019, 10:32:34 am Given the histories involved, both related to being a dealer for FT only to have the dealership pulled, and also to carrying other new brands that went under (Country Coach, Mandalay, Born Free), if I were MOT I don't think I'd be inclined to do new model sales again. They certainly are highly successful with the used market. Plus the cost of "floorplanning" new coaches on the lot is a significant financial risk to a small dealership. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #38 – August 22, 2019, 11:26:52 am I believe that bank want a new line to give a better rate on their business loans. Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #39 – August 22, 2019, 12:15:53 pm Quote from: John S – August 22, 2019, 11:26:52 amI believe that bank want a new line to give a better rate on their business loans. Several years ago, heard mention of MOT selling new trailers out of the old Old Town Motorcoach building for that very reason. Don't know if that happened. Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #40 – August 22, 2019, 12:29:10 pm I assume MOT is in their owned used inventory 100% cash. The profit is if you own it cash Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #42 – August 22, 2019, 02:54:47 pm How many of the MOT coaches have a "C" in there stock number. Normally "P" means purchase.Do they take in trades? consign trades? Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #43 – August 22, 2019, 03:16:42 pm Quote from: jcus – August 22, 2019, 12:15:53 pmSeveral years ago, heard mention of MOT selling new trailers out of the old Old Town Motorcoach building for that very reason. Don't know if that happened.Accross the street from MOT next to the MOT annex(old town motorcoach) is RV Outfitters of texas. this is owned by MOT. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #44 – August 22, 2019, 03:32:37 pm Quote from: Caflashbob – August 22, 2019, 02:54:47 pmHow many of the MOT coaches have a "C" in there stock number. Normally "P" means purchase.Do they take in trades? consign trades? They will offer to buy your coach as well as consign it. Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #45 – August 22, 2019, 04:17:51 pm They will also take your coach as trade in and apply that value to another coach either consigned or owned by MOT. You can save a good chunk on state taxes doing this. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #46 – August 22, 2019, 09:20:18 pm RV 1 had them on display at FMCA including the 37. The price on the 37 was around 480 as I recall but I may be off by a few 10s of thousands. Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #47 – August 29, 2019, 09:05:20 pm Has anybody looked at the entire RV industry sales numbers lately? It looks like a storm is brewing.... Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #48 – August 29, 2019, 09:11:24 pm The storm is from humongous conglomerates buying up the bulk of the RV manufacturers and only looking at the bottom line. Drive costs and quality down, at any cost. Thank Thor, Forest River, and REV for killing the RV industry. Most buyers don't even know of the few quality brands still in existence. They think all new RVs are junk. Quote Selected
Re: FOT new sales plan Reply #49 – August 29, 2019, 09:16:32 pm All true about the quality "storm". But that's not what I was referring to. 2007 wasn't that long ago, but we forgot it so quickly. Quote Selected
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