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County Coach turbo replacement (split from Re: Is my turbo dying?

Mine had a loss of power and a puff of smoke here and there. Found peice of turbo gasket missing.

"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."

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After pulling turbo found this.

"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."

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From the looks of your impeller, you have had something upstream come apart to cause that damage. The impellers don't wear out looking like that.
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From the looks of your impeller, you have had something upstream come apart to cause that damage. The impellers don't wear out looking like that.
Wow! I have had a turbo go bad, smoked grey-blue. Found the seals were shot, decided to replace the whole unit, STILL SMOKED! Took the whole top end apart and had everything checked, all fine. Turned out to be the brand new turbo that had sat on the dealer's shelf too long and had shot seals, too! At least, I knew the top end was in good shape!  :facepalm:
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Wow Mike, that is shockingly catastrophic, but perhaps repairable.  What is the history of your coach and what engine/coach do you have?  Not in your sig or profile. 

If turbo gasket(s) fail, it can cause some level of performance degradation, but shouldn't cause that kind of impeller damage.  That damage looks like something metallic was introduced into the intake.  Woody.

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From the looks of your impeller, you have had something upstream come apart to cause that damage. The impellers don't wear out looking like that.
Agree, bought a coach that had  a impeller looking like that, no smoke but only 20 psi of boost. Replaced with rebuilt turbo and boost went to 32 psi.
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Only took three turbos

"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."

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Vacuumed out air charge cooler replaced all boots and pressure tested

"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."

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Wow Mike, that is shockingly catastrophic, but perhaps repairable.  What is the history of your coach and what engine/coach do you have?  Not in your sig or profile. 

If turbo gasket(s) fail, it can cause some level of performance degradation, but shouldn't cause that kind of impeller damage.  That damage looks like something metallic was introduced into the intake.  Woody.


It's a Detroit series 40 in a country coach the turbo gasket is metal
"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."

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Split this non-Foretravel tech discussion out of another topic.
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That piece of gasket may have been what ate the turbo
Bruce, Linda, and Macy
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Being on the intake side that would be my thought also.
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If the damage is to the compressor side, where would that gasket go? That gasket looks like it goes on the turbine side from manifold to turbo.
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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If the damage is to the compressor side, where would that gasket go? That gasket looks like it goes on the turbine side from manifold to turbo.
You are right
There would be no contact from that gasket to the intake side of the turbo. The missing piece would have gone through the exhaust impeller out the exhaust pipe.
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You are right
There would be no contact from that gasket to the intake side of the turbo. The missing piece would have gone through the exhaust impeller out the exhaust pipe.
When I had the same type of damage to my compressor wheel, checked out the air intake system and found PO, or repair shop, had installed air filter wrong  and there was about a 1/2 gap in the filter housing that admitted unfiltered air. From receipts I found in the coach, seems it only took about 6 months to do the damage, so make sure your air filter is installed properly. Mine was on a series 60, bigger brother to OP's series 40.
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Check all air intake duct. Especially any aluminum tubing. I  had a aluminum air duct on my Peterbilt that crosses over the valve cover. It had dropped down and made contact wearing a thin spot in the bottom of it. A small piece flaked off and did about the same thing as yours. Look all that over very carefully. And look in air filter housing and make sure nothing is in there. Vacuum canister out and replace air filter.
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You are right
There would be no contact from that gasket to the intake side of the turbo. The missing piece would have gone through the exhaust impeller out the exhaust pipe.


That gasket goes between the engine and turbo. That chewed up wheel is the compressor side. In order for those gasket peices to go out the exhaust it first would need to go through the air charge cooler pushed up by the Pistons then the hot side exhaust wheel and out the exhaust. This is why I vacuumed out all the tubing and removed the boots and air tested the air charge cooler.


"When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car."

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Mike That gasket is on the Exhaust side of the turbo. the old piece would have passed through the exhaust turbine and entered the exhaust pipe if in fact it did. Sometimes they split and just work their way out and fall to the . Your Damage is on the Intake side turbine.,That mounting gasket would in No Way have caused the damage on the intake impeller. Something sucked into it from the air filters back. I/E filters not filtering good,Trash in intake piping,etc inspect very carefully and make sure the correct air filter is even installed. That can happen also someone can replace an air filter with the wrong one ,possible to short or faulty gasket and cause these type issues.
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Mike That gasket is on the Exhaust side of the turbo. the old piece would have passed through the exhaust turbine and entered the exhaust pipe if in fact it did. Sometimes they split and just work their way out and fall to the . Your Damage is on the Intake side turbine.,That mounting gasket would in No Way have caused the damage on the intake impeller. Something sucked into it from the air filters back. I/E filters not filtering good,Trash in intake piping,etc inspect very carefully and make sure the correct air filter is even installed. That can happen also someone can replace an air filter with the wrong one ,possible to short or faulty gasket and cause these type issues.

CORRECT!
Brett Wolfe
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What I would be worried about is where did those pieces of the turbo go. Are the hung up on the intake of the after cooler or did they
go through the engine.
Peter and Frieda Morin
1999 36ft. U320 Foretravel
Build # 5436
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FYI

Was told by Dave Athertron, if it's a Caterpillar, buy the Cat turbo from Cat. He told me the spec's are tighter.

Core can not have any torch cutting or other damage, or $500.00 core charge

Before he told me this, I had already bought a Borg Warner refurb, because my waste gate was cracked. Then when I thought it was bad (turned out it was the motor) Spokane Diesel sent it back right at one year later to be checked, Borg Warner rebuilt it again, even though there was no issues. Zero charge.

Have 5K miles on it, no problem.

Chris
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
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Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
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What I would be worried about is where did those pieces of the turbo go. Are the hung up on the intake of the after cooler or did they
go through the engine.
Those pieces eroded and entered the charge air cooler. The impeller did not explode like most do, Lucky on that. But the small pieces either traveled into the CAC and were trapped or completly passed through and ingested inside the cylinders. My guess is they entered Cac and lodged not causing a concern or flakes so small they were ingested in the cylinders and either vaporized on combustion or just were spit out exhaust.  THE Intake impeller was being fed debris plain and simple  no other cause.    Look backwards from turbo at air supply system ,I,/E Filters and turbo feed tubing.jmo
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Those pieces eroded and entered the charge air cooler. The impeller did not explode like most do, Lucky on that. But the small pieces either traveled into the CAC and were trapped or completly passed through and ingested inside the cylinders. My guess is they entered Cac and lodged not causing a concern or flakes so small they were ingested in the cylinders and either vaporized on combustion or just were spit out exhaust.  THE Intake impeller was being fed debris plain and simple  no other cause.    Look backwards from turbo at air supply system ,I,/E Filters and turbo feed tubing.jmo

AGREED.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
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Moderator Diesel RV Club 2002-
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Chairman FMCA Technical Advisory Committee 2011-2020

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Depends on if you buy a new Cat turbo or a reman,not sure other then what you stated he means by tighter,the same parts go in them either way.
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Depends on if you buy a new Cat turbo or a reman,not sure other then what you stated he means by tighter,the same parts go in them either way.

They are all reman. Tight meaning all of the spec's & design from what I understand, which means maximum boost.

Just passing on what a retired Cat mech told me. Dave is really knowledgeable.

Either one requires a core.

Chris
Chris and Tammy White  CDA Idaho
Previous owners 1997 U295 36' 3126 Cat 300 HP Build # 4998
Former Foretravel tech & RVIA certified tech
Former owner Custom Satellite home/RV satellites 
Former owner Vans LTD  van conversions
Unemployed, panhandler, drag racer NHRA #6348