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Reply #25
David, that battery bank wholesale is 26K alone.
My guess is closer to 32K to 35K. But then again, I am never good at estimating labor costs. So could be closer to 40K.
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Reply #26
Jim - If you mean total operating voltage AM Solar has posted on their website the operating voltage for each panel.  So would thaT be 312V (12 100W with 20V operating voltage and 4 90W with 18V operating voltage) for one controller and 352V (14 100W with 20V operating voltage and 4 90W with 18V operating voltage)for the tother controller.  I am not sure if I am properly answering your question so forgive me I gave you the wrong info.  They once had 115W panels in the build but I see now I only have 100W and 90W panels in sets.
Oscar. believe your controllers can only take 150 volts max, so they would need to parallel some panels, [voltage stays the same but current increases] and series some [voltage increases, but current stays the same]. or they could run all in parallel which would require massive sized wires. If they specify  150 volt controllers, suspect they are going series/parallel. But they are experts and might know something I don't.  My old 45 ft Newell with basement airs, could probably have taken 4000 watts :D  :D
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #27
Oscar. believe your controllers can only take 150 volts max, so they would need to parallel some panels, [voltage stays the same but current increases] and series some [voltage increases, but current stays the same]. or they could run all in parallel which would require massive sized wires. If they specify  150 volt controllers, suspect they are going series/parallel. But they are experts and might know something I don't.  My old 45 ft Newell with basement airs, could probably have taken 4000 watts :D  :D

Oops, I think I answered incorrectly. :o  Like you stated since I have two panels in series I would only have an operating voltage between 40V to 36V ( two 100W with 20V operating voltage = 40V or two 90W with 18V operating voltage = 36V) going to the controllers since these sets are in parallel.  But, I will ask the experts putting this together in the morning when I get there.  That is why I have them doing this and not me! ^.^d
Oscar & Janet Valent
2023 Coach House 261XLQD
Former 2004 U320 3820 PBBS
Former 2007 Newell Coach #815
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit

Re: Another PV Install at AM Solar

Reply #28
Jim - I asked this morning and the operating voltage will be between 40V and 36V ( two 100W panels with 20V each operating voltage = 40V or two 90W panels with 18V each operating voltage = 36V).

They are installing the front solar array today so I will have some pictures tonight to post.
Oscar & Janet Valent
2023 Coach House 261XLQD
Former 2004 U320 3820 PBBS
Former 2007 Newell Coach #815
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit

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Reply #29
Today they did more internal wiring and have the leads now up through the refrigerator vent.  They installed four sets of 100W panels.  They hope to finish the front solar array tomorrow and start on the rear solar array next week.  I am hoping to get some pictures on the internal wiring tomorrow.  In the picture with the four sets of panels the one panel set was not yet installed for they had to reorient the panel set to fit better and the feet were going to have to be moved to the side so it could be tilted.
Oscar & Janet Valent
2023 Coach House 261XLQD
Former 2004 U320 3820 PBBS
Former 2007 Newell Coach #815
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit

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Reply #30
Today they did more internal wiring and have the leads now up through the refrigerator vent.  They installed four sets of 100W panels.  They hope to finish the front solar array tomorrow and start on the rear solar array next week.  I am hoping to get some pictures on the internal wiring tomorrow.  In the picture with the four sets of panels the one panel set was not yet installed for they had to reorient the panel set to fit better and the feet were going to have to be moved to the side so it could be tilted.
So, thinking panel sides to the center of the coach can be lifted/tilted up so you can walk down the center between them?
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #31
To add to Jim's question, is tilting for a walkway/maintaining roof, or to tilt for more sun in the winter months?
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Reply #32
I like the orange strings off the lift.  I wonder how many coaches they hit before doing the strings.
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Reply #33
How do you get to all of the wing nuts when you want to tilt the panels?  I assume a ladder from the ground for the side & front edges? What about the 4 inside corners?

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Reply #34
Really long arms?
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Reply #35
Did not quite finish the front array, only 1160W on the roof before quitting time.  You can see 6 of the 8 LifeBlue 300Ah batteries on the table beside the coach.  The other 2 LifeBlue 300Ah batteries were still being charged up to 100% SOC.  They installed the Easy Starts in both A/C units.

Oscar & Janet Valent
2023 Coach House 261XLQD
Former 2004 U320 3820 PBBS
Former 2007 Newell Coach #815
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit

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Reply #36
I like the orange strings off the lift.  I wonder how many coaches they hit before doing the strings.
The strings are likely to prevent hitting your head on the platform.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
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Reply #37
To add to Jim's question, is tilting for a walkway/maintaining roof, or to tilt for more sun in the winter months?

Yes to both.  I would not be tilting the front 4 sets of panels for maintenance for they are beyond my A/C units.  I will see what my consumption is when we get to our wintering spot this year near Temecula, CA.  I prefer not to tilt any for additional sun unless I have to.  The Solar Irradiance figures for that area and the direction the side of my coach will be facing with my panels down flat are:
Nov - 3.34
Dec - 2.79
Jan - 2.99
Feb - 3.73
Mar - 5.28

If I tilt them 41 degrees from vertical:
Nov - 5.36
Dec - 4.91
Jan - 4.95
Feb - 5.14
Mar - 6.15

So if you multiply your total panel wattage by the solar irradiance factor that in theory is what you can expect to produce given clear blue skies and no obstructions.  My total panel wattage is expected to be 3320W.  So, for example, in Dec I would only be able to produce 9,262.8Wh in perfect conditions with the panels down flat.  If I tilted just 3 sets of the 100W two panel sets (total of 600W) that would increase to 10,534.8Wh. [Corrected to say Wh instead of W for solar panel daily production]
Oscar & Janet Valent
2023 Coach House 261XLQD
Former 2004 U320 3820 PBBS
Former 2007 Newell Coach #815
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit

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Reply #38
Yes to both.  I would not be tilting the front 4 sets of panels for maintenance for they are beyond my A/C units.  I will see what my consumption is when we get to our wintering spot this year near Temecula, CA.  I prefer not to tilt any for additional sun unless I have to.  The Solar Irradiance figures for that area and the direction the side of my coach will be facing with my panels down flat are:
Nov - 3.34
Dec - 2.79
Jan - 2.99
Feb - 3.73
Mar - 5.28

If I tilt them 41 degrees from vertical:
Nov - 5.36
Dec - 4.91
Jan - 4.95
Feb - 5.14
Mar - 6.15

So if you multiply your total panel wattage by the solar irradiance factor that in theory is what you can expect to produce given clear blue skies and no obstructions.  My total panel wattage is expected to be 3320W.  So, for example, in Dec I would only be able to produce 9,262.8W in perfect conditions with the panels down flat.  If I tilted just 3 sets of the 100W two panel sets (total of 600W) that would increase to 10,534.8W.

Oscar, I am confused. Understand that with proper tilt to get max. sun, solar production will be greater, but not sure how you would get over 9000 watts out of 3300 watts of panels?
Mine are flat, but even under ideal conditions, have never seen more than 90% of their rated capacity.
I need your secret.
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #39
Oscar, I am confused. Understand that with proper tilt to get max. sun, solar production will be greater, but not sure how you would get over 9000 watts out of 3300 watts of panels?
Mine are flat, but even under ideal conditions, have never seen more than 90% of their rated capacity.
I need your secret.
I believe he is talking about watt hours.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
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Reply #40
I believe he is talking about watt hours.

Craneman is correct!  I goofed in my units and will correct it.
Oscar & Janet Valent
2023 Coach House 261XLQD
Former 2004 U320 3820 PBBS
Former 2007 Newell Coach #815
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit

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Reply #41
I believe he is talking about watt hours.
Watt hours are what a panel produces in one hour, so his 3300 watts produce 3300 watts in one hour is 3300 watt hours, so do not understand how this becomes 9000 watt hours.
What is watt-hour (Wh)? - Definition from WhatIs.com
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #42
The amount of watts produced on that day of Dec 1st.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean

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Reply #43
Daily output. Thanks guys, understand it now.
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #44
While parked close to Craneman's coach at June Lake, I saw his total for the day exceed 5kWh with 1450 watts non-tilting panels. Ours is a 36 footer and has one less panel. Will still go over 4kWh if no trees.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
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Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
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Reply #45
While parked close to Craneman's coach at June Lake, I saw his total for the day exceed 5kWh with 1450 watts non-tilting panels. Ours is a 36 footer and has one less panel. Will still go over 4kWh if no trees.

Pierce
Not to hijack this thread I will post my upgrade to 1750 watts when I finish the project, on another thread.
1999 40 ft. U-320 wtfe build 5563 Chuck & Lynda's "Rollin' Inn"  2030 watts solar
prev. mh's 71 GMC 5 yrs. 73 Pace Setter 1 yr. 78 Vogue 5 yrs 81 FTX 40ft all electric 18 yrs. 1996 Monaco Signature 3 yrs.
2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
Dream as if you will live forever. Live as if you will die today.  James Dean

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Reply #46
Me to. Batteries have to be pretty low, but have seen 5 kwh a couple of times. Normally topped off by noon if SOC is above 70% in the morning.
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #47
Glad to hear that you all are not having to tilt your panels and still get back up to 100 SOC!  I am going to try to not plug in while we winter at the Jojoba Hills RV Resort near Temecula, CA, and just run off of solar and batteries to practice.  Our coach is now all electric except for the heating and hot water that can also run on diesel.  I will start off keeping my heat and hot water on diesel and see how it goes and then switch over to electric if I have enough power left.  Our major appliances that draw the most power are:
washer/dryer combo
induction cooktop
dishwasher
residential refrigerator
speed cook microwave convection oven
coffee maker
toaster
instapot
vitamix
water pump

I left out the A/C units for I will not need to use them in the winter.  I also assumed using diesel for heat and hot water.  I made a spreadsheet of all my electrical items and usage and it came out to about 13kwh a day.  It will be interesting to see what my actual usage will be since the system will record usage.

Oscar & Janet Valent
2023 Coach House 261XLQD
Former 2004 U320 3820 PBBS
Former 2007 Newell Coach #815
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit

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Reply #48
Glad to hear that you all are not having to tilt your panels and still get back up to 100 SOC!  I am going to try to not plug in while we winter at the Jojoba Hills RV Resort near Temecula, CA, and just run off of solar and batteries to practice.  Our coach is now all electric except for the heating and hot water that can also run on diesel.  I will start off keeping my heat and hot water on diesel and see how it goes and then switch over to electric if I have enough power left.  Our major appliances that draw the most power are:
washer/dryer combo
induction cooktop
dishwasher
residential refrigerator
speed cook microwave convection oven
coffee maker
toaster
instapot
vitamix
water pump

I left out the A/C units for I will not need to use them in the winter.  I also assumed using diesel for heat and hot water.  I made a spreadsheet of all my electrical items and usage and it came out to about 13kwh a day.  It will be interesting to see what my actual usage will be since the system will record usage.


Oscar, I guess all electrical loads, including aqua-hot element will be able to run on inverter?
Jim C.
coachfree, previous 1997, 1999, 2000, and 2003 Foretravels.

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Reply #49
Consider adding a temperature gauge to the Aquahot.  That way you won't need to keep it running 24/7 but only turn it on to get the temp. up for a shower or take the chill off in the morning.
Forest & Cindy Olivier
1987 log cabin
2011 Roadtrek C210P
no longer 1999 36' U320 build #5522
2013 Rzr 570 & 2018 Ranger XP1000
2006 Lexus GX470
2011 Tahoe LT 4x4
Previous 1998 45' 2 slide Newell, 1993 39' Newell