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Diesel fuel type

I have gotten fuel at a Sheetz that was labeled auto diesel 2.
I noticed at truck stops it is #4.
Pardon my ignorence but what is the difference and should I be using #4.
Rick & MJ Berry
1998 U320 40'
Ohio

Re: Diesel fuel type

Reply #1 –
I've never seen a pump that said #4 diesel. Up north in cold, Cold country. Some stations will have a winter blend and a #1 pump as well.

As I understand it. The cost difference between auto & truck diesel at truck stops is simply the lets gouge the truckers as much as we can factor. 
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Reply #2 –
Explanation: The Different Types of Diesel Fuel: #1,#2, and #4 - Diesel Power Products Blog

No #4 pumps in California.

Late Foretravels (common rail) should check the fuel requirements for their engines before going to Mexico and then do a search for the area they will be driving in. <15 ppm sulfur is the law but has not been implemented everywhere. Latest shows all 15 ppm in all of Baja. In testing, it was only 6 ppm.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #3 –
If you are in an area with heavy equipment or farm equipment in frequent us, is the stuff in the #4 labeled for offroad or ag use only (and dyed)?
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2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

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Reply #4 –
Quote from: Michelle –
If you are in an area with heavy equipment or farm equipment in frequent us, is the stuff in the #4 labeled for offroad or ag use only (and dyed)?
Dyed red, not labeled #4 here in Cal. just #2 dyed.
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Reply #5 –
Fuels: United States
Not sure if these match up with the numbers posted on the pump.
Grade
Description
No. 1-D S15
A special-purpose, light middle distillate fuel for use in diesel engine applications with frequent and widely varying speeds and loads or when abnormally low operating temperatures are encountered. Higher volatility than that provided by No. 2-D fuels.
No. 2-D S15
A general-purpose, middle distillate fuel for use in diesel engines, especially in applications with relatively high loads and uniform speeds, or in diesel engines not requiring fuels having higher volatility or other properties specified in Grade No. 1-D fuels.
No. 4-D
A heavy distillate fuel, or a blend of distillate and residual oil, for low- and medium-speed diesel engines in applications involving predominantly constant speed and load.
40ft 1997 U320

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Reply #6 –
In Arkansas the red died is for off road(farm Fuel). they do random stops and check diesel vehicles.  I was told the fine is based on total number of miles on vehicle at estimated miles per gallon to give total gallons used for that many miles times the taxes that would have been paid for that many gallons of fuel plus some other added  cost.  They don't care that you have 50000 miles and only put it in yesterday to keep from running out you still get to pay.
Chris
1999 U 320 DGFE
Build Number 5523
Chris & Elka Lang
In the field, Lonoke AR

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Reply #7 –
Quote from: Michelle –
If you are in an area with heavy equipment or farm equipment in frequent us, is the stuff in the #4 labeled for offroad or ag use only (and dyed)?
Don't know about other states but the red dyed fuel in California is #2 diesel with <15 ppm sulphur and exactly the same as road diesel except for the red color by California law. The red #2 is used for heating oil as well as generators/tractors, etc. Kerosene is also called #1 diesel. It has less BTUs per gallon than #2. All of these have approx. the same BTUs, Diesel #1, #1 Stove oil, K1 Kerosene, Jet A. Aircraft with diesel engines run on Jet A

Avgas/aircraft gasoline aka 100LL actually has lots of lead and quoting the FAA, Avgas emissions have become the largest contributor to the relatively low levels of lead emissions produced in this country. Avgas will be gradually phased out over the next couple of decades. This is the reason so many new aircraft diesel engines (both 2 cycle and 4 cycle) are being developed. Continental Aircraft Engine is now Chinese and many aircraft are flying with their diesel engines.

Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel 128,488 Btu/gallon
Biodiesel (B20)        126,700 Btu/gallon
Biodiesel (B100)        119,550 Btu/gallon

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #8 –
In Germany, if you get caught driving with dyed diesel, they figure the average number of miles driven per year (about 12,000 miles) and gallons used by the vehicle and then fine for 3 years worth. The difference between car diesel and heating diesel is huge since the heating diesel pays no road tax. This is a LOT of Euros. In California, the fine is $1000.

Pierce
Pierce and Gaylie Stewart
'93 U300/36 WTBI
Detroit 6V-92TA Jake
1140 watts on the roof
SBFD (ret)

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Reply #9 –
You were probably at Pump #4 ...
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Reply #10 –
Local stations around here (MN) have #1 and #2 available and you can select several levels of mix.  I usually do a 50/50 #1 and #2 mix as winter approaches, add biocide and anti gel stuff.  Easy to go in January.
Roger Engdahl and Susan Green
2001 U320 3610 #5879 (Home2) - 2014 Jeep Cherokee or 2018 F150
Hastings, MN

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Reply #11 –
There's no reason to use biocide at the same time you're using anti-gel and #1 blend.  Save it for hot weather.
Regards,
Brett

'99 42' Foretravel Xtreme
'14 Brown Motorsports Stacker
'05 Chevy SSR
'02 BMW R1150R

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Reply #12 –
Quote from: amos.harrison –
There's no reason to use biocide at the same time you're using anti-gel and #1 blend.  Save it for hot weather.

Totally agree if you are going to burn the diesel within 3 months or so in the winter (2 in summer) you don't need a biocide.

But if storing it, I do use a Biocide such as Biobar JF.
Brett Wolfe
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