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I weighed our coach the other day.
The scales were about 9 miles from our house at temp in the lower forties so I guess they were cold.
I attached the results.
So my front axles are at 11280
And my rear are at 19260.
My tire pressure all around was set at 90.
The front are ok at that.
But the back based on the weight should be at 85 based on the chart from Foretravel.
Does that sound correct?
I just don't want to make any mistakes when it comes to tires.
Also the tow vehicle weighs 5220 lbs. Does that have any impact on the tire pressure of the back tires.  It is flat towed.

Rick & MJ Berry
1998 U320 40'
Ohio

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Reply #1
The weight of the towed has nothing to do with bus tire pressures.
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Reply #2
Don't know where FOT gets their information on tire pressures.

For best results, use the tire pressure chart published by the manufacturer of your tires.

Always check the pressures when tires are cold (early in the day before the sun hits the tires).
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Reply #3
And yet another worry over tire inflation. Not trying to make fun of you, Pyolet, but there has been so much discussion on this subject and so many folks seem to obsess over this.... Anyway, I had a friend with a CC of the same year and basically the same configuration as my '96 U295. He checked his tire pressures so often that it affected his inflation values. Every time you check you lose a little air. Check often enough and you prove yourself right that your tires are going down. We full-timed for 18 years on tires that we checked once a month. kept them between 85 and 90 psi. All was good, never had a problem except for punctures. Just driving up a steep hill will increase your tire pressure. Actually, anything that heats the tires up changes things. We set the pressure at 90 psi and when it got to 85 psi we raised it back up. Tried to do the checking under the same conditions as best we could. WE ran our tires 6 to 7 years depending on how the sidewalls looked. I think you're good to go. Safe travels.
Larry
1996 U295 36'
Build # 4805
Actually we sold it but just like to lurk

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Reply #4
My Uniroyal tires are all at 110 psi in all 6. My dealer only does trucks and heavy vehicles. My max on tires is 120. My techs all said stay at 110 and quit worrying so that's where they are set . Go by the tire, not the old FT info.
1996 U295-36, Cummins 300hp, 8.3. Build number 4864. Vin number 1F97D536XTNO54271. Purchased October 31, 2019.


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Reply #6
My Uniroyal tires are all at 110 psi in all 6. My dealer only does trucks and heavy vehicles. My max on tires is 120. My techs all said stay at 110 and quit worrying so that's where they are set . Go by the tire, not the old FT info.

Actually, the statement should be: "Go by your new tire manufacturer's inflation table for your actual weight."  Agree, if tires are different than OE, the PSI on the GVWR sticker may not be accurate for your new tires.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
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Reply #7
My experience long ago was that overinflated tires rode worse on poor roads and had a smaller tread contact patch pressure area.  The edges had less pressure holding the tire to the pavement.

Probably why the tire manufacturers have a pressure vs load chart?
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
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1095 watts solar
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2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #8
My Uniroyal tires are all at 110 psi in all 6. My dealer only does trucks and heavy vehicles. My max on tires is 120. My techs all said stay at 110 and quit worrying so that's where they are set . Go by the tire, not the old FT info.
Bingo!  Someone got bad info when new Michelins were installed on ours: she was inflated to 100 psi all around and rode terrible. I had her four corner weighed, called Michelin and went down to 85 front 80 rears; MUCH BETTER RIDE. b^.^d
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Reply #9
Don't know where FOT gets their information on tire pressures.


I believe the sticker/plate tire pressure weights are based on the OEM tires (brand, model, size, and load range) and the pressures listed on that sticker are for the GAWR of each axle as applied to the load inflation table for the OEM tires.

As Brett said:

 
Actually, the statement should be: "Go by your new tire manufacturer's inflation table for your actual weight."  Agree, if tires are different than OE, the PSI on the GVWR sticker may not be accurate for your new tires.
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Reply #10
Thanks. 
I have Michelin.
I will see what they recommend.
Rick & MJ Berry
1998 U320 40'
Ohio

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Reply #11
Did you happen to weigh your coach with what you normally carry in terms of fuel, fresh water and normally stowed cargo in the bays? Did you include the normal number of human and animal cargo with you when you weighed? In my case, full tank of 148 gallons of diesel at 7lbs/gal is 1036lbs and with family traveling with us adds some more... thus increasing actual loads on the tires.
Walt, Dawn, Matt & the Poodles
99 36' U320 #5515 MC #17977 "Axle"
Not All Who Wander Are Lost (not original but I like it)

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Reply #12
Sure you did not mean wander?
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #13
Yes, Wander! Thanks for letting me know :)
Walt, Dawn, Matt & the Poodles
99 36' U320 #5515 MC #17977 "Axle"
Not All Who Wander Are Lost (not original but I like it)

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Reply #14
I'm coming from a gasser which rode terrible all the time, so at 110 psi with the bags, it's very smooth compared to what I'm used to. The bigger picture is no blowouts so 110 it is
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Reply #15
I'm coming from a gasser which rode terrible all the time, so at 110 psi with the bags, it's very smooth compared to what I'm used to. The bigger picture is no blowouts so 110 it is

How much is that over the MIchelin/Uniroyal recommended minimum PSI for your actual weights? 110 PSI is only relevant as compared with your tire manufacturer's recommendation.
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
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Reply #16
I'm coming from a gasser which rode terrible all the time, so at 110 psi with the bags, it's very smooth compared to what I'm used to. The bigger picture is no blowouts so 110 it is

I've attached the Uniroyal commercial tire inflation book. For 275-80-22.5, 110 lbs., that takes you to 22,750 on your rear axle, (check your plate, it is probably only 19,500) and 12,350 on the front axle, (which is probably only rated at 10,500). So it appears you are overinflated by 20 lbs. The pressure you've been recomended is too high, so I would at least weigh sometime when fully loaded and check with Uniroyal book for your tire size or at least do not overinflate beyond your axle capacity.
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Reply #17
Overinflated tires hydroplane easier as the edges are lighter loaded.  Slide on ice easier
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #18
The max. is 120. The tire shop that fixes many many tires on I-70 are the ones that wanted 110 with 36,000 possible pounds so I really respect their opinion but like oil, tire pressure has many many ideas and opinions. We also get to 105-107 in the summer so that factors in. They see more blowouts for under pressure than anything else. Age is number 2 failure. They also don't like to use screw on tire valve extensions. Their opinion is 90% of them leak and cause under inflation. They actually have a steel bend that is long enough to easily test and air up the inside dually without the extensions so that's what I'm running
1996 U295-36, Cummins 300hp, 8.3. Build number 4864. Vin number 1F97D536XTNO54271. Purchased October 31, 2019.

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Reply #19
STOP.  Did they ask you for the actual weights of your wheel positions or even axles???

On exactly what did they base their opinion???

Unless clairvoyant or they had the above information, they could be off by 20 or more PSI from the engineers who designed your tire.

Said another way, I would sure trust the advice of the engineers who designed your tire, rather than a guy who sold/mounted them.

Yes, we go through this several times a year and have for the last 20 years.

Off my soap box now!
Brett Wolfe
EX: 1993 U240
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Reply #20
Here's what Michelin says is the minimum pressure to inflate their tires to:

Load & Inflation Tables | Michelin Truck

Find your installed size/model tire in the chart and inflate the tires to the pressure in the table corresponding to your axle weights (divide the axle by 2 and each tire to this pressure depending on single or dual loading)...cold, full fuel, full water, empty gray/black tanks.  Tire pressures will increase with temperature changes, especially after driving, so don't EVER let air out of a warm tire as the tire (and wheel) is engineered to take much more pressure than the cold ratings.  It's that simple.  If the ride is rough, deal with it...the ride will never be car-like, but it's close.

Also, a TPMS is mandatory for my peace of mind...this includes the towed and tag.  Woody out.
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Reply #21
Dan, I would listen to wolf10.  He has more knowledge and experience than any of us on this forum.  He is extremely cautious before making a recommendation.  We are not trying to criticize you or the advice you've been given.  We just want you to question the advice you've been given, do more research, and make your own researched and educated choice. No problem sending me a personal message if you would rather discuss it that way.

As an example, to compare mine (97 U295 40') to yours (96 U295 36'), I load my rv heavy, near the axle limits rated by the FT plate at 10,500 front 19,500 rear.  So off the Toyo chart, I use 105 in the front, 90 in the rear.  This gives me a tire capacity of 10,740 in the front, 19,540 for the rear duals.  Using your Uniroyle chart for your RS20 275x80x22.5, 90 lbs all the way around would give you 10,740 front capacity and 19,540 rear capacity respectively.  Do you not see the error your tire store made, as wolf10 pointed out? You are 20 lbs overinflated all the way around from the maximum carrying capacity of your rv!  I disagree with your tire dealer and agree with the Uniroyal tire inflation book.

Having been in the industry when rv mfgs, leading tire dealers, and rv dealers went to recommending the max inflation pressure printed on the sidewall, sometimes ignoring axle capacity, rv loaded weights, etc., they made steering sometimes horrible, and the ride sometimes horrible. I questioned the tire dealers, the service department, the supplier of tires to CC and Monaco, and the rv manufacturers Country Coach and Monaco.  All responces came back to avoid lawsuits, after advice from their legal departments.

Note, this change in recommendations did not come from the engineering or service departments,  but from the legal department.

In other words, I was told too often owners raise the weight they are carrying, they do not check the pressure before travel, etc.  These three Industries wanted to avoid being involved in a suit involving underinflated tires.

After that I had a truck tire gauge in my desk as well as the correct tire manufacturers inflation guide.  I had the good fortune to have a a free state run truck scale a few miles away.

To solve customer issues before, and after the sale, I'd visit these scales with the appropriate mfg tire inflation guide.  Many an owner said they could not believe the difference.  Telling them would not do it, it would take an hour and a half or two, the benefits were extreme.

If your trying to be cautious, and on the safe side, weigh each side of each axle when you are at full load, and then add 5 lbs of air for that little extra weight you might add.  I carry two tire gauges that read the same, and a blown up copy of my Toyo inflation pressures. 

As I said earlier; "I've attached the Uniroyal commercial tire inflation book. For 275-80-22.5, 110 lbs., that takes you to 22,750 on your rear axle, (check your plate, it is probably only 19,500) and 12,350 on the front axle, (which is probably only rated at 10,500). So it appears you are overinflated by 20 lbs. The pressure you've been recomended is too high, so I would at least weigh sometime when fully loaded and check with Uniroyal book for your tire size or at least do not overinflate beyond your axle capacity."

Both the Uniroyal and Michelin Guides recommend the same inflation pressure, 90 lbs, for your tire size,  to get the above tire load capacities.
97 U295 40, Build #5040, 6C8.3 325 HP
Oregon Continuous Traveler
Samsung Residential #RF20HFENBSR,
Xantrex SW2012, (3)AGM8D Hse, (2)AGM Grp24 Eng, Victron BMV-712, 1800w Solar 4 LG & 2 Sunpower
Extreme Full Body Pt w/hdlmps, new furn/floor, 4 down Lexus 2004 GX470 AWD curb weight 4,740 lbs
Prev: 1990 Barth, 10L 300 2 yrs; 91&92 Monaco Signature, 10 yrs, 10L C 300 &  6C8.3 300; 1997 ForeT 6C8.3 325 since May 2017.  Employed by Guaranty RV 14+ yrs.  Former VW New Car Dlr/Service Dlr, Sales Mgr, Rv Sales, and Service Adviser from 1968-2017
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Reply #22
As jack just posted I did the exact same thing hundreds of times. Don't believe us.  Do it your way.  Unsafe as the tire "crowns"

Research my water test I posted here a while ago to demostrate to lack of edge loading overinflated tires cause.

Mine are 97 and 87 on "h" rated 7610 max load Michelin's. 

No other tire is past 7160 so their pressure will be higher.

Otherwise I would be almost 10 pounds higher per axle and lose the great ride on our bad roads.

"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4

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Reply #23
Yes Wolfe & Bob & Jack. . I appreciate the info for sure.  The Michelin tire table doesn't really help with Uniroyal Rs20 tires. Uniroyal states 120 is max with a full load. I weighed my coach without water or groceries, etc etc. True empty except cargo area full. 27,500 total. I did not weigh axles separate yet. I'll play with 100 to 110 when loaded and weigh it again. This has been my winter project and only drove it over the winter on nice days and empty. I also pull a 20 foot cargo trailer weighing in at 4500lbs.
Thanks for the info. I'll call Uniroyal direct and ask them as well. This is my 6th RV in 25 years and never had a blowout running max or 10 psi less than max on the RV's or trailers. Colorado has horrible roads because of our last 3 Governors. You must be aired up to survive the potholes, ruts and drop-offs.
I'll post the Uniroyal info when I get it
Thanks for all the input. I really do appreciate the opinions. That's what makes a forum work. Knowledge is good, to much is dangerous as the old saying goes
1996 U295-36, Cummins 300hp, 8.3. Build number 4864. Vin number 1F97D536XTNO54271. Purchased October 31, 2019.

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Reply #24
Try running your coach through water then out to dry white concrete at an arc.  As the tire prints dry out stop and go back and look at the contact patch.  Adjust pressure.  Try it again. 
"Riding and rejoicing"
Bob
1997 U320 40' Mid entry, build 5132,  wtbi ce27, 4th owner
2007 Solara convertible
2 prodeco tech outlaw ss electric bikes

1095 watts solar
08 Ls 460 and a sc430
2000 Ford F-250 superduty 4x4