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Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Hello again.... we have purchased a new interior cover plate and the door handle ( broke off handle some time ago)... on the back of the cover plate attached to the end/butt end of the handle is a half moon plate with a square notch.. we know this notch leverages the arms inside the mechanism but cannot figure out where it fits to open the latches for the door.

I have posted photos of all of the pieces... the plate and handle is $ 95.00 from FOT but all good with price if we can use the door again as original.

We have a 86 GV. 33SBI
1986 Grand Villa, 454 Chevrolet, 33 SBI tag axle
Build # 2658
2nd owner, original owner was Newman/Freeman Racing, racer Bill Freeman and actor/racer Paul Newman

Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #1 –
Quote from: Subsilked –
Hello again.... we have purchased a new interior cover plate and the door handle ( broke off handle some time ago)... on the back of the cover plate attached to the end/butt end of the handle is a half moon plate with a square notch.. we know this notch leverages the arms inside the mechanism but cannot figure out where it fits to open the latches for the door.

I have posted photos of all of the pieces... the plate and handle is $ 95.00 from FOT but all good with price if we can use the door again as original.

We have a 86 GV. 33SBI

I have had the same problem in the past, the only problem is where the door handle bar goes through the plate and tightened with a screw, every now and again the screw works loose, and I have to take it apart when I lock my self in, I keep a small fold up step ladder inside and twice since I've had it, I've had to climb out of window to open it, the first time it happened I had no ladder so had to wait and call someone to open door from outside, the problem started when I locked the bottom lock, there are three and what happened someone tried to open the door with the lock on and it hasn't been right since, I used a thicker washer with one of those crinkly washers as well and used a slightly fatter self tapping screw, it worked but even now its not perfect, as long as I don't pull the handle too hard it's OK and I never operate the bottom lock, but the fault lies in that plate I'm sure
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Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #2 –
I had a door problem and my 1999 u 320. I got locked in wife got locked out. Luckily was able to get the door open and we were on our way to foretravel of Texas anyway where they repaired it.
I have a different door than yours but I can tell you that mine was pretty complicated and I don't think I would have done a good job of repairing it like they did in nacogdoches.
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I had ours break with us trapped inside, had to lower myself out the roadside slider. Did not realize how little I used certain muscles! I removed the latch after being able to open the door from the outside and removed the broken rivet in the latch. Drilled it out, tapped the inside and screwed it down and added a nut. So far, so good. Crummy latch design, I had the same junk on our Airstreams. Brett installed lockers on the latches to prevent them from 'self-locking' ^.^d
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Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

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I never had a problem with the GV coach we had, but it looks to me like the plate that fits the handle locates the piece that the spring is attatched too. In other words this has a counter effect against that spring. I say this after looking at the assembly in the door and lining up the mounting screw holes using my mind and the notch on that door part. Hard for me to explain but if you put the handle together with the bent part in the verticle position and line it up so holes match it may be you can see what it is supposed to do and go.
Sorry I have not been very clear but am sure you will see what I mean.
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Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #5 –
Lock Tite on the screw and make sure that the oversized washer makes solid contact or the screw will work loose.
 At the same time. The lock rod should be extended  and cut flush to prevent it locking you out.

Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #6 –
Quote from: Protech Racing –
Lock Tite on the screw and make sure that the oversized washer makes solid contact or the screw will work loose.
 At the same time. The lock rod should be extended  and cut flush to prevent it locking you out.
There is NO screw at end of handle post.  In this photo from FT parts department.  You can clearly see that the handle post comes thru the plate and some kind of Pot Metal is melted on the plate to hold the handle in place... this is the place that broke from the original equipment... the hole you see is not a threaded screw hole    This is the weakest link. 
1986 Grand Villa, 454 Chevrolet, 33 SBI tag axle
Build # 2658
2nd owner, original owner was Newman/Freeman Racing, racer Bill Freeman and actor/racer Paul Newman

Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #7 –
Quote from: Subsilked –
  this is the place that broke from the original equipment... the hole you see is not a threaded screw hole    This is the weakest link. 
What he said: that's where mine broke, too. Anyone who has one of those should thread and nut it BEFORE it breaks; and it will !  :facepalm:
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Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

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Also have been trapped like a rat twice. Once in our old SOB and once in the U300. Both used the exact same lock. The first time the RV was when I took my daughter to college and every square inch was crammed. Went out through the passenger's sliding window with help from someone outside. Tried one leg at a time but finally went out head first.  Lock Tite did the trick on the locks after that. They seem designed for the screws to come out with vibration. Also had to modify it but can't remember exactly what I did.

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From 40 years experience with those latches I know that they are not very secure as to common key blanks so I only use the dead bolt and never mess with that latch. Even my '71 GMC used the same key as my '78 Vogue.
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Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #10 –
Drill and tap the shaft for a small screw and oversize washer.

Cut off the lock shaft.
Both of these little details fix known problems.    Disregarding  input like you have been doing may slow your assistance.
  Replacing the poor design with another poor design , just because it has worked for 34 yrs....Lovely,

Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #11 –
[quote author=Pierce & Gaylie Stewart link=msg=390158 date=1590271278 . Tried one leg at a time but finally went out head first.  Lock Tite did the trick on the locks after that. They seem designed for the screws to come out with vibration. Also had to modify it but can't remember exactly what I did.[/quote]
Ha! Wonder how many 'war stories' there are about being trapped? I tried to go out head first on the curbside, but freaked out and the DW had to help drag me back in. Finally piled every blanket and pillow we had and made a ramp that was level with the window on curbside and pushed myself out backwards on my stomach. There is a 'no return' spot where you're balanced on the edge between your short hairs and belly button; that's the scary part, pushing off!  ::)
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                        Full-Timers 'Sailing the asphalt sea'

Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #12 –
Quote from: mike leary –
I had ours break with us trapped inside, had to lower myself out the roadside slider. Did not realize how little I used certain muscles! I removed the latch after being able to open the door from the outside and removed the broken rivet in the latch. Drilled it out, tapped the inside and screwed it down and added a nut. So far, so good. Crummy latch design, I had the same junk on our Airstreams. Brett installed lockers on the latches to prevent them from 'self-locking' ^.^d
Geez Mike, what in the heck are you doing to that poor coach? :))  :))
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Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #13 –
Quote from: bigdog –
Geez Mike, what in the heck are you doing to that poor coach? :))  :)) 
Have you done any measuring to see if you could fit through the window,  and do a 'drop down' on your coach should you be trapped inside?  ^.^d
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                        DW Judy & Chet the wonder dog
                        Full-Timers 'Sailing the asphalt sea'

Re: Interior Door handle and mechanism Help

Reply #14 –
Your making too big a deal over this latch, if it fails just open the window and use a broom handle to pop the latch open, works for me.
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Reply #15 –
Quote from: NancyS –
Your making too big a deal over this latch, if it fails just open the window and use a broom handle to pop the latch open, works for me.
When our's broke... we climbed out the side rear bedroom window as the screen. Can be slid over completely so allow us to climb out

BUT once you open the door from outside latch... you must than dismantle  the latch and just use the deadbolt to keep door closed...  we had to take cover plate off. . Expose the latch by removing the security cover plate on side of door and dismantle the latch to keep it from clamping down on the door frame pin that keeps door closed...

What a mess for us...
1986 Grand Villa, 454 Chevrolet, 33 SBI tag axle
Build # 2658
2nd owner, original owner was Newman/Freeman Racing, racer Bill Freeman and actor/racer Paul Newman