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Fuel filter assembly identity

I am long distance trouble shooting and without personally being able to touch "yet" can anyone identify this filter assembly. I'm guessing it's the Winn 200200 that will need the retro kit or other replacement of filter and primer pump assembly, fittings. Any information and suggestions are appreciated. Would like to pre-purchase some parts that require lead time before we drive 1200 miles to look at it. Suspecting it's a 2001? U320 ISM450. If the coach looks good we plan to repair what is needed and return home with it. Thanks for your help.
Scott and Kim

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Reply #1 –
You just opened up a can of worms. Everyone has an opinion on that setup. I am against the grain on this one as I am going with "if it ain't broke why mess with it". I have it and carry both spare filters. I also have a Davco that I will put on if and when mine fails and I can't fix it.

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Constant vacuum leaks from the Winn.  Fixed mine 3 times.  Replaced with a Parker racor.  Not a field job.  Replaced the fuel lines also as the low sulphur fuel destroys the rubber oem lines.  HPDM? Replacement is required.

Ask about fuel lines.  If not budget $2k plus the filter at $350 plus install.

If the tank get low on your drive home and the tank is lower than the motor when parked overnight and it won't start that's a vacuum leak and/or the Winn.

There is a button on the Winn to reprime it.  May take several times,

Keep the tank full when parking overnight and/or a slight nose up parking place.

Low tank(1/2 or less) and nose down several times was when I noticed the problem.

Major Cummins shop in LA mechanic used to work for a major truck line when the Winn's were new and being used diagnosed the leak and bypassed the unit then continued the dyno run

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This will be keep as simple as possible. 1200 miles away from my shop. I want to get it safely operating and go home. So what would I need so I could accomplish that? What  filter assembly is this? if I knew, it wouldn't be a question. Better to carry a case of filters than search on sight

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Looks as if it came from Winn-Dixie to me. Since you have one Chuck, what does it do? It looks to be next to a Racor primary filter so what is it's job? Is it a secondary filter?

Pierce

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Reply #5 –
The S3230P filters are available threw Napa. I searched for the RK12963 retro kit and if this is what I need I will order. 10 days lead time. Order a case of the filters at there local Napa Dealer location.  Just want to be a 100% sure that is what I need because I'm unable to visually get identification. I personally don't know. What filter assembly it is. If I change later I'll have time and accommodations at home.

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Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart –
Looks as if it came from Winn-Dixie to me. Since you have one Chuck, what does it do? It looks to be next to a Racor primary filter so what is it's job? Is it a secondary filter?

Pierce
It is the primary filter and has an electric fuel and water purge.

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Reply #7 –
Are you saying the coach doesn't run right now? I have the same setup and is OEM. Haven't had a problem yet. The plastic piece is more like a pre strainer for the primary filter. If it doesn't leak, I'd drive it home then go about changing it if you wish.

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It's sat for 5-10 years. Have to be able to change filters for poor/bad fuel. Can't change filters if I don't know if the retro kit has been installed or it has the 200200 filter which is discontinued. I have only seen pictures, but if we like it we will take it home after repairs in the field were it is parked. If someone can recognize if the RK12963 is installed then I'll just buy filters otherwise I'll order kit and filters to get home
Thanks Scott

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That looks like the one we had on our 2002.  The good thing was when it sat a long time at the MOT service department without a full tank we got algae,  It'll was Immediately visible in that clear filter so we never had a surprise fuel problem while we were getting it cleaned up. 

If it starts and runs without changing that filter you will quickly see if you have a problem. 

Where are you going to pick the coach up?  There may be a forum member nearby who would be glad to look things over with you. 

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Reply #10 –
I replaced mine with a Parker Racor 790R30 and I'm pleased with the results. The new filter assembly eliminated the issues I had been experiencing. I used the same hoses but had to change some fittings and so ir would be good to have a Parker store nearby when you do the work.

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Reply #11 –
Keep the tank full as much as possible to get home.

Down hill to the Winn helps any issues. 

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Yes we have had a member look at it. The Parker Racor 790R30  is a great choice. Will probably end up there but need to find out filter number for the filter in the first line. Don't want to take on mods to get home. KISS (keep it simple st***d)
If the primer pump is bad I'll change to the 790.

So still don't know If the RK12963 has been retro fitted  in picture

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I have the S3230P element on mine and I looks just like your picture. Any chance the seller could look on the filter as the numbers are very clear on mine.

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Reply #14 –
Chuck thank you. So I believe your filter and mine have both been modified with the RK12963 when the 200200 went obsolete. I recall the last 200200 filter I looked at did not have the two piece filter end cap, just a drain plug, but I'm not positive. This has been drawn out for months and the owner has had no sense of urgency. I prefer to save my questions for some of the other issues that require their input. I don't even know the mileage, but I'm more concerned about Corrosion than anything else. Sorry getting off topic. I will post more of the saga in a different post. Just trying to order filters and Keep it simple. Scott

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If the goal is to just get you home, I would bypass that primary filter with a fitting and carry a couple of extra secondary filters and have filter wrench to change it.

Only exception to that is if there is any water in the diesel, as the secondary filter is not a adapt at removing it as the primary.

Actually, Plan A may be to run it like it is, but have the fitting to bypass it with you.  Live off the top 1/3 of the tank for better gravity flow/less chance of sucking air.

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Ordered a six pack of S3230P from Amazon. Can return what I don't use. Next is the dryer assembly

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It is the same one we have on our 2001 U320.  Some report problems with air or fuel leaks.  I have had mine apart and back together many times without any issues. Don't lose the o rings and use some reasonable care.

I like the clear plastic pre-filter with the screen. It is very obvious it you have algae (black stuff) in there.  If your engine starts missing it is not getting enough fuel through the screen.  It is easy to disassemble (and after a time or two with practice, not too messy) and the pre-filter can be washed clean in a bucket of soap and water.  Rinse well. Pour a bit of alcohol in the filter as a final rinse (gets rid of any water) and reassemble.  Run the priming system two or three times.  Start the engine, run on high idle for three minutes, you are good to go.  Some stuff might get through the pre-filter but so far for me not enough that I have had to change primary and secondary filters on the side of the road.  But I carry 2 of each and a spare pre-filter and a complete set of o rings and gaskets.

I did the retrofit kit Racor RK12963 Retrofit Kit soon after we bought the coach almost 10 years ago.  It adds a lower assembly for purging water and the S3230P filter.

There are several options for fuel filters beyond this one.

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Reply #18 –
Roger so your are in agreement that in the photo that the retro kit has been installed and the 3230P filter is what is shown.  Really helpful, thank you
Scott

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Reply #19 –
This is mine. Last serviced at MOT on 1/9/19 about 8K miles ago. Both will get changed at the next oil change. Prefilter was cleaned by me on 9/20/19.  MOT used an equivalent Fleetguard filter. FS19592.  Several equivalent cross referenced filters.