Wanted dead or alive

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Reply #50 – June 27, 2020, 10:21:47 pm

Well after months of delays and covid19 we made it back. Minimal corrosion. All an all great shape. Thanks to Lynn Sickler and his wife and Chris Lang and his wife they were able to get a lot working. A lot left but i am able to be inside air conditioned lighted away from all. Those mosquitoes. Tomorrow hold a lot more to do. Air system, slide retraction and get the engine fuel problems resolved . So for just about everything is better than I ever imagined . Hopefully drive away on Monday for tires
Thank you all for everyone's help.
Scott

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Reply #51 – June 27, 2020, 10:27:41 pm

Scott,
Glad everything is going your way, what is the fuel issue?

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Reply #52 – June 28, 2020, 10:41:59 am

I'm sure I have a air leak. Was up last night working inside. Mice like toilet flush valve wires. Worked when finished. No water but can flush. Added 10 gallons water to tank. Lost of cleaning. All in all real surprised with the condition.

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Reply #53 – June 28, 2020, 01:31:15 pm

Well, yesterday was an interesting way for me to spend my birthday. The Sickels and the Langs caught up with Scott and son, Anthony as they were in the process of unloading supplies. The level of anticipation was just as high as the humidity. Nevada residents are okay with their dry heat but trying to work in Arkansas' 100% humidity in the middle of a farm plantation, took them to a new level.

Everyone viewed the prospective coach and gave it a pretty much, "thumbs up" , initial inspection. Bulkheads were the first item to go under scrutiny from coach owners, Sickel and Lang. Preliminary thoughts about bulkheads were positive due to the fact that it was shedded all its life, along with the suspicion that it had lived a "mostly southern" existence. Bulkheads received the expected passing grade.

Next came the engine compartment and generator compartment inspections. Both were in very clean condition. Big smiles appeared all around with the smooth hum of the generator, up front - after a bit of tweaking. Inspection of the engine compartment continued by some of the guys, while new batteries were installed. Desiccant was checked whiled others climbed atop the coach for a rooftop check.

Scott and Anthony have had about five months to formulate their restoration plan. From our perspective, they left very little to chance. Their truck was packed with parts, tools, wrench-turning experience and the confidence that they could resurrect this coach, should it prove worthy of their investment of time and money.

Atop the coach, Anthony fired up his battery operated blower in preparation for air conditioner unit inspections. Air conditioner covers were removed and colonies of dirt daubers were evicted. We were surprised by the lack of resident bird / mice nests - for a coach that had zero use in almost a decade. All looked good for an initial testing sequence, shortly to come.

In the meantime, the ground crew were brainstorming to figure out the best series of moves to begin engine cranking. Fuel tanks were checked by all of the guys and the tanks received a thumbs up, overall evaluation. Lots of time, suggestions, and equipment checks were continuing at the rear of the coach, in regard to the engine. Chris Lang and Anthony continued while Scott and Lynn decided to give the thermostats some attention, inside.

Generator humming nicely, Scott and Lynn clicked on the thermostat. More smiles everywhere. "We will sleep cool - and out of the mosquitoes, tonight!" Now, back to the engine......

The day was closing so the local coach owners headed home while Scott and Anthony continued until the mosquitoes drove them inside. Here are a few pictures from yesterday.

Marilyn Sickel

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Reply #54 – June 28, 2020, 02:04:56 pm

Nice! love it when a well thought out plan goes well.
A sheepskin seat cover will fix that worn seat.

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Reply #55 – June 28, 2020, 03:18:15 pm

So we are still attempting to get the engine to run on it's own. The primary filter was suspect but at this point it shows good flow with no air. The precleaner screen always is half full of air? I even pulled the filter back off (unrestricted flow) to prime and the primer pump would never suck the air from the top out. I even unbolted the entire unit and tried to purge By roatating it to help get the air out. Went to the bleed on the fuel injection pump and had surprising pressure and flow. Lots. But no fuel on the fuel rail test port. Further troubleshooting showed that there is no power to Fuel injection pump solenoid with ignition on. Looked in manuals and wiring diagrams but never found source for power. Hoping someone can lead me the right direction
But the Generator is purring away.
Scott

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Reply #56 – June 28, 2020, 03:43:41 pm

Quote from: folivier – June 28, 2020, 02:04:56 pm

Nice! love it when a well thought out plan goes well.
A sheepskin seat cover will fix that worn seat.

I don't think it is wear I think it was mud!
Chris

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Reply #57 – June 28, 2020, 03:46:46 pm

Scott, you might need the advice of a local diesel mechanic but it sounds like the pump solenoid might not be engaging and not allowing any fuel flow.... Maybe.

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Reply #58 – June 28, 2020, 03:46:56 pm

Scott you may have to start pulling wire covers in the bays looking for wire damage from mice
Chris

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Reply #59 – June 28, 2020, 03:50:19 pm

Quote from: dsd – June 28, 2020, 03:18:15 pm

Further troubleshooting showed that there is no power to Fuel injection pump solenoid with ignition on. Looked in manuals and wiring diagrams but never found source for power. Hoping someone can lead me the right direction

Scott,

Check out these fuses Cummins M11 ECM Fuses

Mike

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Reply #60 – June 28, 2020, 04:16:55 pm

My shop bypassed the Winn system that was in our coach due to previous experiences with vacuum leak. Looked like they were able to plug the existing hoses around the filter.

The fuel lines were bad also. Sucking air.

Required filling the tank to make the pump on the motor lower than the tank fuel level.

In my area there is a charge for a commercial fuel truck to come out of $125 plus $3 a gallon for the fuel.

Nose up on the coach might allow a lower rear than the front enough to gravity fill the pump?

If the tank level is high enough to gravity fuel you will get a massive leak if you unplug and reroute around the filter.

Maybe bypass first. Then fill tank? Mine ran on the Cummins Dyno in la without the pump and filter. Tank was full

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Reply #61 – June 28, 2020, 04:40:32 pm

So I checked the fuses and all were good and powered up with ignition on. Thought we were on a good track. Yes these filters can be problematic but I actually I'm pretty sure I'm not getting fuel into injection pump. No power to fuel solenoid on injection pump. No smoke during crank. With solenoid jumped I am getting tailpipe smoke for the first time. Fuel is probably 2008. Looks clear and smells correct. So if I can determine were fuel Power to solenoid come from I'll search that way. Yes I'll change down the road. Just would like to run what I brung at this point. It's really nice here but going home sounds good.
Scott

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Reply #62 – June 28, 2020, 04:43:05 pm

I actually have everything to bypass, but the fuel flow and pressure is quite robust at the pump inlet on engine

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Reply #63 – June 28, 2020, 04:45:15 pm

Scott, don't worry about the prescreen filter just yet. I have the same system and ''tis never full, but you can see the fuel flowing thru it.

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Reply #64 – June 28, 2020, 05:24:40 pm

So it is displaying three fault codes ID FM CNT 111 02 55
ID FM CNT 190 10 1
ID FM CNT 654 5 2

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Reply #65 – June 28, 2020, 05:26:32 pm

Maybe the fuel shutoff solenoid is stuck or not working?
Can you try putting power to it?

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Reply #66 – June 28, 2020, 05:37:51 pm

Yes I tried powering it up. You can hear the fuel solenoid click, smoke in exhaust but no start

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Reply #67 – June 28, 2020, 07:23:47 pm

Sounds like it's getting fuel but is it getting air? Pull the air filter and check it.

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Reply #68 – June 28, 2020, 07:33:27 pm

With the 190 code check the cam sensor to see if it has come unplugged. It is hid under the air compressor. If it is oil soaked both primary and secondary may be dead and the ECM isn't getting the permissive to open the fuel shut off valve. This can drop the 111 code for the ECM.

Mike
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Reply #69 – June 28, 2020, 10:58:33 pm

So long day. Fooled around with filter till I was sure no leaks. Ended up calling the local truck repair shop that I had also talked to about tires. They have been real nice . While talking to him he told me his rates $80 to show up and 90 hr one hour minimum. He pulled up the ECM fault 111 and the 190. Said that the no start is the 190. I had brought a spare sensor so I put it in. Cleared codes. Would not start. Put pressure gauge on rail fitting and hotwired and it produced pressure. No new faults. Still saying crank shaft position sensor. More research on that. I had spoke to a old friend and he mentioned several ECM failures due to long term storage. He said lithium battery needed to be operated every couple of years or they loose programming. Aske the rv tech Bubba and he said he had never heard of it, but he may have a old ECM off a blown up engine. Twenty minutes later he was back ecm in hand. Handed it to me and said he had to go and to tell him how it worked out. A miserable hour later hit the start button and it came to life and purred like a kitten for a minute and shut down. Repeats every thirty seconds with stop engine displayed, engine fault, engine require service light illuminated. No codes displayed. Not the correct ecm, but it runs. Will order a correct ecm Monday among other things. At least the fuel filter is proven okay. Dryer And service port tomorrow and hopefully get it off the bump stops
Scott

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Reply #70 – June 28, 2020, 11:11:43 pm

One other small Important lesson today. When you have completed a ecm change and your exhausted remember to close the engine cover before you take a break. Mosquitoes

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Reply #71 – June 29, 2020, 12:04:46 am

Seems like the low coolant is a 30 second shutdown on the old 300 Cummins U295 we had. It kept starting and shutting down until I figured that out. It was barely low.

Are there two cam sensors on an M11?

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Reply #72 – June 29, 2020, 12:14:42 am

Yes but in one housing. Later units were one piece units. No pot material. Solid metal front. No oil soaking

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Reply #73 – June 29, 2020, 12:27:00 am

Is there another crank position sensor other than the cam sensor below the ac compressor
Scott

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Reply #74 – June 29, 2020, 12:42:45 am

On an ism i understand there may be a separate one on the crank?

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