Toyo Tires

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Re: Toyo Tires

Reply #25 – July 27, 2020, 09:32:12 pm

Quote from: Caflashbob – July 27, 2020, 08:30:03 pm

Chris my 97 40' U320 with full tanks and empty holding weighed less by a small amount. 2k worth of tools?

My Bad, was going off memory, you know how that goes.
Went and looked. Cat scale...31,880 LBS. Correction made
Yup, big tool box!
CW

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Reply #26 – July 27, 2020, 10:36:06 pm

Quote from: gracerace – July 27, 2020, 08:17:09 pm

125 PSI...YIKES!

32K lbs actual weight loaded (scaled), 90 back, 95 front.....Here comes the haters....Oh Lordy, the tire pressure post again....

Where you at Bubba? Get the pump fixed?

Chris

Chris, per MOT, our 2000 U320 is 90 lbs across the rears and 95 for the steers! Much better ride and zero issues! We have Toyos that another owner installed on this coach and will be installing Michelins on when we need new ones. To me, a much better riding tire!

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Reply #27 – July 27, 2020, 10:46:10 pm

Chris you are 2,000 over gvw? I think the scale may be wrong. Or with the tow car. Mine was 31,880 on a 32000 gvw?

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Reply #28 – July 27, 2020, 11:03:12 pm

Chris, didn't say I run them at 125. I don't mind a bit of a harsh ride, and I don't have to worry about adjusting tire pressures from north to the south. 12600 front 19200 rear. 115 psi in the front 100 rear. Haven't had to add air to the tires in 2 years.

Got to get some where I'm going to be for a month to pull the pump and get it rebuilt. The pump does have a tapered shaft with a key way.

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Reply #29 – July 28, 2020, 10:07:46 am

Quote from: bbeane – July 27, 2020, 11:03:12 pm

Chris, didn't say I run them at 125. I don't mind a bit of a harsh ride, and I don't have to worry about adjusting tire pressures from north to the south. 12600 front 19200 rear. 115 psi in the front 100 rear. Haven't had to add air to the tires in 2 years.

Got to get some where I'm going to be for a month to pull the pump and get it rebuilt. The pump does have a tapered shaft with a key way.

Good point, safe travels.
I'am sure places in Yuma can rebuild it.
CW

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Reply #30 – July 28, 2020, 10:16:48 am

Chris,
Last time I weighed mine: CAT Scale 31820, also big tool box. Have remove a few things I do not use.
John

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Reply #31 – July 28, 2020, 10:56:44 am

Man, this is getting confusing. Reminds me of the passion regarding dumping procedures! In the past, I've just bought Michelins, same as were on the coach. Anyhow, this coach is light. It's a 34 footer and weighs right at 26,000 fully loaded with all of our stuff, fuel and water. I think I'll take all this into consideration and talk to the Schwabb guy and see what he has to say.
jor

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Reply #32 – July 28, 2020, 02:24:06 pm

Quote from: Caflashbob – July 27, 2020, 10:46:10 pm

Chris you are 2,000 over gvw? I think the scale may be wrong. Or with the tow car. Mine was 31,880 on a 32000 gvw?

Bob
Cat scale isn't going to be wrong, but the guy reading it might be!
I looked again, the printing is so faint. It was never important to me to look, because we don't load the coach down.
So yes, you are correct.
Break down is:
Steer axel 10440
Drive axel 17400
Trailer axel 4040
Total 31,880

Roland probably had his Jeep Grand Cherokee with him.

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Reply #33 – July 28, 2020, 02:40:24 pm

Ah it makes perfect sense. Now

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Reply #34 – July 28, 2020, 03:10:05 pm

Quote from: jor – July 28, 2020, 10:56:44 am

Man, this is getting confusing. Reminds me of the passion regarding dumping procedures! In the past, I've just bought Michelins, same as were on the coach. Anyhow, this coach is light. It's a 34 footer and weighs right at 26,000 fully loaded with all of our stuff, fuel and water. I think I'll take all this into consideration and talk to the Schwabb guy and see what he has to say.
jor

My Toyo's go round & round without complaint. They are rated to support the load presented. And they are cheaper than the Michelin's and Toyo's are sold/stocked by my local dealer (Les Schwab) that has awesome service and makes any warranty claim easier. Those were the things I was concerned about.
Now as to whether other tires are quieter, "handle better" what ever that means. Non-issue with me and how I drive. Both hands on the wheel and I slow down for sharp curves and maybe 300 miles MAX before camping for days/weeks/months. And I never drive with my hearing aids in. I found with 1.5 million Class 8 truck miles. The road causes more handling variables than one tire brand to another does.

Flame suit is on.

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Reply #35 – July 28, 2020, 04:09:32 pm

Quote from: bigdog – July 28, 2020, 03:10:05 pm

My Toyo's go round & round without complaint. They are rated to support the load presented. And they are cheaper than the Michelin's and Toyo's are sold/stocked by my local dealer (Les Schwab) that has awesome service and makes any warranty claim easier. Those were the things I was concerned about.
Now as to whether other tires are quieter, "handle better" what ever that means. Non-issue with me and how I drive. Both hands on the wheel and I slow down for sharp curves and maybe 300 miles MAX before camping for days/weeks/months. And I never drive with my hearing aids in. I found with 1.5 million Class 8 truck miles. The road causes more handling variables than one tire brand to another does.

Flame suit is on.

Oh, and what tire pressures?....LOL
Just teasing
Chris

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Reply #36 – July 28, 2020, 04:47:09 pm

Quote from: gracerace – July 28, 2020, 04:09:32 pm

Oh, and what tire pressures?....LOL
Just teasing
Chris

The appropriate PSI for the loads as determined in the manufacturers load chart of course. That's a great place to start.

In the end, One has to look pretty hard to find an absolute rubbish tire. Stick to the load limitations per the tire maker. You should be good to go. The VAST majority of tire issues are from under-inflation. Full stop.

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Reply #37 – July 28, 2020, 04:55:45 pm

Move to LA and drive our concrete block freeways regularly and you will like I did search for a lower pressure, better riding, quieter tire that self steers better.

Smooth asphalt roads are much quieter. And have no concrete block square edges.

H Tires and Koni FSD's addressed 80-90% of the issues.

Another difference. With xza-2's when I lifted the throttle the coach slowed down.

With the XZA-3+'s the coach barely slows with no throttle.

Quite noticeable. Less rolling resistance

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Reply #38 – July 28, 2020, 05:12:56 pm

All the tire manufacturers have "green" tires with low rolling resistance. Even the dreaded "Chinese" tires. Forgot to say Michelin manufactures 12 million tires in China and has since 2013.

Perhaps an investigation is needed.

Highways are in bad shape in many states. Drive around Detroit and L.A. seems Autobahn smooth. Or toll roads where you have to turn the wheel a lot to change lanes and then your coach suddenly leaps from the deep tracks in your lane to deep tracks in the next lane.

Pierce

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Reply #39 – July 28, 2020, 06:13:06 pm

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – July 28, 2020, 05:12:56 pm

All the tire manufacturers have "green" tires with low rolling resistance. Even the dreaded "Chinese" tires. Forgot to say Michelin manufactures 12 million tires in China and has since 2013. Perhaps an investigation is needed.

Highways are in bad shape in many states. Drive around Detroit and L.A. seems Autobahn smooth. Or toll roads where you have to turn the wheel a lot to change lanes and then your coach suddenly leaps from the deep tracks in your lane to deep tracks in the next lane.

Pierce

Sounds like Spokane Washington. Everything I can do, to keep my dually and race car trailer straight....And pot holes, it's the Grand canyon!

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Reply #40 – July 28, 2020, 06:32:33 pm

Maybe I should have asked a question for those who may have noticed such things.

In traffic at medium to low speeds if you remove your foot from the throttle on level ground does your coach slow enough to delay the brake application if needed?

Yes I understand they are all "green." Michelin advertises 20% lower rolling resistance than the next best selling tire whatever that means.

Seen a lot of big rigs with Michelin's on the steer axle.

Just something I noticed after the change.

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Reply #41 – July 28, 2020, 07:04:09 pm

Quote from: Caflashbob – July 28, 2020, 06:32:33 pm

Maybe I should have asked a question for those who may have noticed such things.

In traffic at medium to low speeds if you remove your foot from the throttle on level ground does your coach slow enough to delay the brake application if needed?

Yes I understand they are all "green." Michelin advertises 20% lower rolling resistance than the next best selling tire whatever that means.

Seen a lot of big rigs with Michelin's on the steer axle.

Just something I noticed after the change.

Bob, I'm just out enjoying myself and trying to get to a destination. I don't have the equipment aboard my coach to even begin to quantify coast down figures. as doing so needs to be under controlled conditions. Even the worst rolling tires now are much better than the greenest ones just a few years ago.

I stopped using Michelins on my Class 8 trucks steer axle because I had far too many steel belt failures for such an expensive tire. Switched over to Generals on the steers and never did have another belt failure.

I ran double trailers down I90 at 75MPH with a Kenworth W900 long nose truck. Doubles are never straight and thus you wear out steer tires about every 5 months or about 50,000 miles. Drive tires would generally last me 250,000 miles.

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Reply #42 – July 28, 2020, 08:03:19 pm

I have toyos. M154 295/75 R22.5. rated to 129 psi. Will have to start looking next year for when I should re tire. Probably would stay with Toyos but will look at Michelen too.

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Reply #43 – July 28, 2020, 09:21:34 pm

I too have Toyo M154 295/75 R22.5, H rated, bought three years ago at Les Schwab in Junction City OR. They and the manager that recommended them to me use to sell all the tires to Monaco and Country Coach out of that location. I have no complaints, would recommend them, and yes minor burnish on base of metal air bag housing from minor contact, again a non issue. I like Les Schwab as they have always taken good care of their customers, including me. I've bought three new sets of six rv tires from them, all Toyo.

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Reply #44 – November 07, 2020, 05:39:47 pm

OP here. I ended up getting 295 G rating Toyo tires in Nacogdoches. Good to go.
jor

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Reply #45 – November 07, 2020, 07:36:58 pm

Had same 295s on 1998 U270 series for 15 years, no problem with rubbing.

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Reply #46 – November 08, 2020, 01:29:20 am

I am running the Toyo 295/75 on my Grand Villa. 30,000 miles on them and no difficulties whatsoever. Had one hard brake, hard steering maneuver and they never lost traction. Maybe other brands can say the same but I am a believer.

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Reply #47 – November 08, 2020, 02:24:15 am

Quote from: jor – November 07, 2020, 05:39:47 pm

OP here. I ended up getting 295 G rating Toyo tires in Nacogdoches. Good to go.
jor

....where did you go in NAC? Herman Power? Do you mind asking too how much? I'm shopping now, can't go a whole lot farther without putting some new shoes on the old girl....

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Reply #48 – November 08, 2020, 09:24:49 am

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....where did you go in NAC? Herman Power? Do you mind asking too how much?

Herman Power ($402 per tire). About $2750 after a cash discount with new valves and only steers balanced. You would probably want H rated 295s. The out the door price was $3,033 ($429 per tire).

Be advised that Herman Power does not hand torque the wheels. They use an impact. They told me they would be happy to torque them for me if I brought my own torque wrench.

I did some calling around (Tucson, Idaho (Les Schwabb) and Nacogdoches). Herman Power had the best price but all of them told me the same thing. They are having a difficult time getting tires. Michelins were on back order at one place and Toyos at another.
jor

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Reply #49 – November 08, 2020, 10:29:28 am

...thanks so much, so JOR, you didn't get all 6 as steering tires?

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