Ism oil change

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Ism oil change

September 04, 2020, 11:06:24 am

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – March 02, 2019, 10:22:49 am

Once you have everything in place and have done the safety stuff, pull the top off the oil filler and tape your vacuum cleaner hose to the filler. Turn on the vacuum cleaner (no, it won't ruin the vacuum cleaner) and then pull the oil pan drain plug. No oil will come out, it just will suck a little air in. Thread the quick drain into the pan taking your time as not to cross thread the drain as Cummins have aluminum pans and the thread is also aluminum. Once tight, remove the vacuum cleaner. Take the sharp punch and with at least a gallon container below, puncture the bottom of the filter. With the container in place below, remove the punch. Now, you will have saved yourself a huge mess as nothing should be spilled.

So, you have not made a mess and will never again have to worry about stripping the oil pan threads. The only down side is that the quick drain may stick down a little and could be damaged.

Pierce

So finally got to performing a proper oil change. Liked both of Pierces ideas of Vacuum drain plug change and draining the oil filter. So I had tried the oil filter drain on my 5.9l Cummins in my truck last week. It's a lot tighter area and well the drain hole diverted over to the tie rod and dispersed the drain oil nicely. The ISM filter is wide open. Worked perfect! I was concerned about that 1-1/4 drain plug into a aluminum pan with fine threads. Spider sense was correct. All I could do to loosen with a long combination wrench. Way over the recommended torque. 65 ftlbs+ Using the vacuum not a drop was dripped. Had to wrench the drain plug almost all the way out. Not good. Cleaned the area. Visually inspected for pulled threads and installed the EZ203 drain valve. Torqued to 45 ftlbs. I have struggled with using it because of how far it sticks down. However it's 3-4 inches higher than the transmission which is 3-4 inches higher than the differential. But Murphy always find the weak link. Forward of the pan oil drain is a 4x5 1/4" steel plate on the bellhousing. There is a 3/4 drain plug in it. After verifying that that is a dry flywheel area I removed the Plate and installed a ramp on it. Although it is a aluminum bellhousing it is quite robust. Ramp and supports are 1/4 steel. This is not for rocks but should protect against a tire carcass or something else you would be forced to drive over in the freeway.
Scott

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Reply #1 – September 04, 2020, 12:32:09 pm

My service records that came with the coach showed a helicoil being installed long ago on my drain plug.

Last change the shop got it sealed up to not drip, which it used to.

In between I have bought a repaired, welded up and retapped replacement oil pan with a drain valve already installed into it.

Future install

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Reply #2 – September 04, 2020, 03:06:27 pm

The quick drain I installed in ours sticks down like yours but when I get a chance, I will install a flush quick drain. That way, you can't hit it on anything and break it off. Same price, about $25-$35 or so. Don't overtighten in aluminum!

The steel ramp is a good idea and should protect the quick drain nicely.

Vacuum trick works great! Never even a drop spilled.

Check the compact quick drain here for vehicles with low ground clearance. No-Spill™ Systems Oil Drain Plug – Official Site

Pierce

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Reply #3 – September 04, 2020, 05:47:48 pm

Yes Pierce. 20/20 hindsight. Will run this since I own it, but would do this differently the second time around.
Scott

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Reply #4 – September 04, 2020, 06:22:42 pm

Quote from: dsd – September 04, 2020, 05:47:48 pm

Yes Pierce. 20/20 hindsight. Will run this since I own it, but would do this differently the second time around.
Scott

Hey, I didn't know about the models that are less exposed when I installed ours. You've done something about it and ours is sticking out ready to get knocked off. Good for you and nice work on the ramp.

I ordered one for our ML320 and attached the vacuum cleaner. I had to pull on the old plug to get it out and then it was working perfectly until I tried to install the quick drain. They sent me the wrong size (too small) so it sucked the whole thing in but glad I didn't turn off the vacuum cleaner. I had to put the OEM plug back in.

Now I've lost at least $25 and will take that out of Gaylie's book club purchases.

Pierce

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Reply #5 – September 05, 2020, 12:35:38 pm

A little late to the this posting, but wanted others to know our "Compact" style of No-Spill™ Systems Oil Drain Plug – Official Site hangs down less with a smooth flat end surface.

On the other point, everyone with a M11 aluminum oil pan needs to do something/anything, as even with 'proper' torque, the steel drain plug may eventually disable a vehicle from a drain plug not holding. This was the experience of a Motorcade mechanic traveling with us after changing his oil in an Oregon campground. For sure John always torqued drain plug, but this time, threads came out and he was dead in the water.

BTW, our oil drains slower with our NoSpillSystem, than with our OEM drain plug. FYI, our Cummins C8.3 has a steel drain pan.

Another similar manufacturer is Stahibus and this is a description from their web site (similar valve to NoSpillSystem ):

Unlike competitive oil drain valves, Stahlbus oil drain valves do not have a lever-operated ball valve. The absence of a lever allows for a much smaller valve design compared to competing products. The Stahlbus drain valve is just slightly larger than the standard oil drain plug. The smaller symmetrical shape of the Stahlbus valve allows it to be installed without an additional adapter frequently required by the more bulky lever-operated valves.

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Reply #6 – September 05, 2020, 12:49:35 pm

I looks like Stalibus doesn't have the sizes for RV's I will get the no spill but, it annoys me they don't include the adaptor to drain the valve in the kit, you have to buy it separately. I have looked for a competitor with like dimensions and there doesn't seem to be any competition which would probably lower the cost.

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Reply #7 – September 05, 2020, 01:02:25 pm

Craneman,

On your 1999 M-11 engine, what diameter and thread pitch is needed for the plug?

Richard

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Reply #8 – September 05, 2020, 01:05:03 pm

Quote from: Jan & Richard – September 05, 2020, 01:02:25 pm

Craneman,

On your 1999 M-11 engine, what diameter and thread pitch is needed for the plug?

Richard

1"x18

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Reply #9 – September 05, 2020, 01:50:05 pm

Take a look at Fumoto oil drains.

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Reply #10 – September 05, 2020, 01:58:42 pm

Quote from: bbeane – September 05, 2020, 01:50:05 pm

Take a look at Fumoto oil drains.

That is the one I bought but after seeing a post of a picture of one busted off, it sits in my spare parts drawer

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Reply #11 – September 05, 2020, 06:05:34 pm

DSD's skid ramp to protect the quick drain looks pretty easy to make if you have a welder. The nice thing about quick drains is that you can fill a gallon container, stop and then fill another without spilling a drop. Make a mistake with a regular drain plug and you have a huge mess. I like the drains where you can push a plastic hose on and don't have to drain directly below.

The aluminum oil pan without a steel insert for the plug was not a good design. Might carry a rubber expanding plug just in case you pull the aluminum threads on an oil change.

Piece

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Reply #12 – September 05, 2020, 06:30:50 pm

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – September 05, 2020, 06:05:34 pm

Might carry a rubber expanding plug just in case you pull the aluminum threads on an oil change.

Piece

That is a great idea. I will get an appropriate size plug as well as a quick-drain.

Richard

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Reply #13 – September 05, 2020, 10:22:11 pm

RE: "Might carry a rubber expanding plug just in case"

Friend John bought a 'high temp rubber expanding drain plug with metal part that fits inside the pan (like a toggle bolt) to get him out of his 'dead in the water' M11 stripped drain plug situation.

The rubber plug got him driving, but after a while the very hot oil ruined the rubber part and oil started draining while driving. He then found a local shop to insert a Cummins insert that worked but was not a perfect solution for John. When he got home to Oklahoma, he dropped oil pan and found a skilled welder to weld a metal drain plug repair inside the aluminum oil pan.

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Reply #14 – September 05, 2020, 10:27:49 pm

Not sure how it was welded as only aluminum can be welded to aluminum.

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Reply #15 – September 06, 2020, 05:04:35 pm

Quote from: craneman – September 05, 2020, 10:27:49 pm

Not sure how it was welded as only aluminum can be welded to aluminum.

With exceptions....
https://www.esabna.com/us/en/education/blog/can-i-weld-aluminum-to-steel.cfm

Follow-ups
- A question of time.... (replacing steering box)

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Reply #16 – September 06, 2020, 05:15:07 pm

Quote from: craneman – September 05, 2020, 10:27:49 pm

Not sure how it was welded as only aluminum can be welded to aluminum.

Bet the welder just built up the aluminum if severely damaged and then tapped it, installed a coil like one of these. https://www.timesert.com/html/drainplug.html Steel threads are at least 3x stronger than aluminum. Several ways to do it. Could also weld a very short piece of aluminum pipe and then tap it.

Pierce

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Reply #17 – September 06, 2020, 06:07:08 pm

We called them help-coils that was a brand name we used a lot in industry --I didn't like them then and still don't like them.-- they are fine in an emergency but with repeated usage they will come out and make a bigger problem than you had before. If possible (and I realize that 1"-18 thread is a big hole)and there was enough thread left I would put in a metal insert with non removable locktite
then go to a 3/4 plug for drain
Just my thought
Chris

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Reply #18 – September 06, 2020, 06:13:22 pm

Timesert. Production used by gm and Chrysler

As you need a kit that's prohibitively expensive.

The spare pan I bought had been rewelded in the seal area and retapped then a drain valve installed

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Reply #19 – September 06, 2020, 06:16:35 pm

I'm happy with the torque and won't be removing. I probably could come up with the correct helicoil. I have installed hundreds of them with good long therm results. Yes many different was to resolve damaged threads. Have also made step plugs with greats results. Already forgot about that fire. Many more to deal with on the list. 110 deg doesn't help.
Scott

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Reply #20 – September 06, 2020, 06:47:08 pm

The inserts I used made by Caterpillar, doing heavy equipment repair goes from 12-24 to 1 1/2" bolts. They never pull out but I don't remember what I paid for the kit as it was about 40 years ago.

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Reply #21 – September 06, 2020, 07:26:43 pm

My oil pan has been helicoiled previously in its service records. Dripped a bit.

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Reply #22 – September 06, 2020, 07:35:27 pm

So in saying that my original drain plug had no gasket or seal. The ez203 is made with a oring seal. I have no clue if there should be a factory seal on the factory plug. Area was oil contaminated and dirty. Probably last oil change was in 2007? but I didn't notice any hanging drips.
Scott

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Reply #23 – September 06, 2020, 07:37:42 pm

I do not like the fact that I have lost the factory oil wetted magnet. Mileage was unknown since last change, I suspect low, but it was completely spotless
Scott

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Reply #24 – September 06, 2020, 07:39:16 pm

So the oil drain on the side of the oil pan has a Allen head. Is it the same pitch as the lower one?
Scott

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