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Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #25
Raised and dumped air two times using the aux pump. Took a while to raise of course the dryer is pretty clogged.

After two cycles looked at the desiccant. The desiccant was blue at the top. A little less than 1/2.  Then orange and very bottom basically white.

Tying to get dry air in the system.

The 40 year shop hydrometer read a little over 60% weather forecast says 75%

Is this what you would expect?  How often do you guys change the desiccant?

The air dryer on the aux compressor is not at all sufficient for frequent raise cycles of the coach.  The aux compressor system's purpose is to keep the system topped off and relevel, and service the slide bladders, not to raise the entire coach from a full dump.

You should use the main engine for that - it has a much larger air dryer.

Learn every day, but especially from the experiences of others. It's cheaper!  - John C. Bogle

2000 U320 36' non-slide / WildEBeest Rescue
2003 U320

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #26
That explains why the dryer was not effective.  The last trip the coach was releveling every hour or so due to the leak in the front air bag systems.  The pump ran quite a while. I did start the main engine a few times to recharge the main tanks.
2006 Nimbus 336
Built 2005 may be one of the first coaches labeled Nimbus.
DEMCO Air-force One braking system.
Towing 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport.
Road Master Falcon 5250 tow bar.

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #27
Received my new air dryer for the Auxiliary pump.  Today I installed it and decided to test for leaks.  I started the engine and built up pressure and then killed the engine.  Dumped air and turned the key on.  The HWH was dead!!!!  :help:

Shut down and went back down. Two of the HWH electrical modules are mounted above the air driers.  That is where I started.  There are a number of connectors on the bottom of the modules.  One looked a little crooked.  I pushed on it and it clicked. Went back in turned the key and the HWH fired up.  :dance:

Those connectors are not very robust and are a disaster waiting to happen.  In my job designing oil exploration equipment we learned not to use that JUNK. We used military grade connectors.

So if your HWH dies try to seat those connectors.  If they look even a little suspicious seat the &$%**& things.  The connectors are the least reliable part of the system and there are a whole shit pot of them.  Excuse my French.  :coffee:

PS: the new drier is sound no leaks.
2006 Nimbus 336
Built 2005 may be one of the first coaches labeled Nimbus.
DEMCO Air-force One braking system.
Towing 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport.
Road Master Falcon 5250 tow bar.

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #28
Got the six pack kits from Tom today. What oring  greece to use? Petroleum jelly or something else.
2006 Nimbus 336
Built 2005 may be one of the first coaches labeled Nimbus.
DEMCO Air-force One braking system.
Towing 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport.
Road Master Falcon 5250 tow bar.

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #29

Others recommend Super Lube.  I did not have any, so used silicone paste because I had it already.

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Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #31
I prefer Dow Corning 111 compound. What ever you do don't use  Petroleum jelly

Mike
Yes I think there was some of that "petroleum jelly" was used in the past.  Great gobs of it.
2006 Nimbus 336
Built 2005 may be one of the first coaches labeled Nimbus.
DEMCO Air-force One braking system.
Towing 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport.
Road Master Falcon 5250 tow bar.

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #32
A little of that goes a long way.  This is one more case that "if a little will do a little good then a lot will do a lot of good" does not apply.

Mike
Pamela & Mike 97 U 320

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #33
Received my six-pack rebuild kits from TOM Thursday.  Today I got time to pull the six pack clean it up and managed to rebuild two air valves.  Had to stop due to company coming over. Will likely be Monday before I get time to finish the project.

I have a question.  I disconnected the air lines.  Any one familiar with the fittings used in these coaches.  The support tubs seem to be pressed into the fittings.  When the nut is tightened the brass feral is compressed biting into the tube.  The lines are pretty short. Loosen the nut and it is difficult to remove the plastic air tubing.  The support tube came out with a couple of lines and some of the tubes that stayed in the fitting was pulled sideways.

How to reassemble this type of fitting.  Do I put the support tube inside the air line and then re-tighten the fitting or install the support tube in the fitting and slide the air line on then tighten the tube?

New fittings would create a huge problem.  Most of the lines would have to be rerun.

Anyone know the fitting manufacture so I can look at their recommendations.

2006 Nimbus 336
Built 2005 may be one of the first coaches labeled Nimbus.
DEMCO Air-force One braking system.
Towing 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport.
Road Master Falcon 5250 tow bar.

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #34
Parker is a major manufacturer of brass compression fittings. I would assume that they recommend not reusing their fittings for high pressure applications but our pneumatic systems can be considered low pressure.
The ferrules and inserts will be deformed to some extent when seated into the female fitting. Replacing the ferrule and insert while reusing the nut and fitting should result in an excellent seal. That said I have reused the existing fitting assemblies with good results.
Cutting the tubing behind the ferrule and installing a new ferrule and insert is not always easy as tight working space can make this difficult.
Replacing just the insert would help in being able to easily seat the ferrule in the fitting before tightening the nut.
In the end the decision is yours.

Steve
Steve & Sandy
2003 U320 4220 WCDS, build#6160
Motorcade #17794
USMC '67-'71

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #35
Ok the Six Pack is rebuilt and installed.

Raised the coach hit emergency stop on the HWH and turned the ignition key off.

It has been over three hours and the air bags are completely inflated.  If still looking good in the morning I will exercise travel mode and leveling to check those modes and see if any leaks develop after using the system.  I really did not see any real problem with the plungers the dump valves were dimpled more than the others.  Maybe that was enough for them not to seal.

The O rings at the base of the solenoids were worn.  At least three of the valves were worked on and one was replaced since it does not match the others.  The new one does not have a brass base.  I saw three different type of greases used on the O rings and two places someone though more was better.  I do not know who has been working on these but they did not know what they were doing. Way too much grease.

I used the Super Lube.  I did not use the Dow 111 because I would of had to travel 50 miles to purchase a tube.  Super Lube was the other recommendation and it was available at Ace Hardware 5 miles from my farm. The DOW grease is what we used on o-rings on the Seismic Vibrator trucks I helped design.  The Super LUBE appears to be similar to the DOW 111 Moly Coat

I have some photos.  Much the same already on this site.  I will probably post the photos with a short description later.

Summery of work done.

1. Checked air bags, six pack manifold and all air line connection for air leaks.  I found no obvious leaks.
2. Replaced the air drier on the 12v Aux air pump.
3. I obtained some desiccant and packaged portions to take with me when traveling so I can replace the desiccant when it is wet.
4. Used TOMS rebuild kit to rebuild the valves and new plungers. Some of the o-rings looked pretty bad.
5. Removed, inspected and cleaned the o-rings on the two internal check valves in the manifold.  I found some white powder on the o-rings.

Note: Some of the support tubes came out of the compression fittings when I removed the air lines. I reinstalled the support into the fittings and carefully hand pressed the air lines back in place.  I used a small block of wood to tap the support tubes in place. Then leaving the jam nuts and ferrules in place. I hand pressed the tubes over the support tubes. Then I tightened the jam nuts on the fittings.

I used denatured Alcohol to clean the manifold and air valves.  Then used compressed air to remove lint and dry the manifold and valve parts before assembling the valves.  The Alcohol we used to clean parts on Siberia was not denatured.  Good for many more uses. Helped you sleep at night.

Thank all of you that made suggestions and informed me of the availability of the rebuild kits.

Thank you TOM McCloud for making these parts available to us all.  Great price and great quality.

I will upload a few photos later there are many on the forum. My manifold setup is a little different than some of the others.

I made one mistake.  I swapped the right air bag air line and the right travel height valve air line.  One right air bag refused to inflate and there was air blowing out of the travel height valve.  I scratched my head for a few minutes before I crawled back under the coach and  found the mistake.  The air lines were labeled correctly but I had a brain fart and swapped the two lines.  :o
2006 Nimbus 336
Built 2005 may be one of the first coaches labeled Nimbus.
DEMCO Air-force One braking system.
Towing 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport.
Road Master Falcon 5250 tow bar.

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #36
Thank you so much for this comprehensive write up, troubleshooting and solution. This forum is awesome!

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #37
Camping at lake Texana park near Edna Tx. Aux air compressor ran only ran one time in four days. Coach did not relevel the whole time.

Quite a difference from the last trip. Happy with the fix.

Spotted a Foretravel unihome in the park.
2006 Nimbus 336
Built 2005 may be one of the first coaches labeled Nimbus.
DEMCO Air-force One braking system.
Towing 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport.
Road Master Falcon 5250 tow bar.

Re: Airbag Leaking 2006 Nimbus 336

Reply #38
Some photos from the rebuild

Six Pack Edge View.
Bolt on the Right is the plug covering the check valve.
https://www.foreforums.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=4776

Six Pack top view. 
The valve with the black base is the Left Travel valve
The right Travel valve is just below .
https://www.foreforums.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=4777

Valve Side of the six pack. 
See the black marks from the decomposed O rings.
https://www.foreforums.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=4778

Valves and plungers.  Unfortunately I swapped left and right.
The plunger seal on the middle left is the Right Dump valve.  I suspect this was the problem.  There was more wear on the seal.
https://www.foreforums.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=4779

Air Line side of the six pack with the two pressure switches.
Right bag connection goes to the left air bag etc.
https://www.foreforums.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=4780

Six pack after cleaning with denatured Alcohol. First valve had been rebuilt in installed.  Installed valve is the Right Dump valve.
https://www.foreforums.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=4781

Hopefully this will be some use.
2006 Nimbus 336
Built 2005 may be one of the first coaches labeled Nimbus.
DEMCO Air-force One braking system.
Towing 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport.
Road Master Falcon 5250 tow bar.