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Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #20
FYI, the reason they needed the size of the slide, is because the early slide rooms where made too big for the hole. We replaced seals regularly on new coaches at first. I personally did 5. less then one year old coaches. That and the HWH hose end repair, then upgrade hoses when the repair didn't work. kept us busy on new coaches.

The early slides  had to come out, we had a custom table. I believe RnR still has the table they bought from FT. Some of this was revised via a smaller seal among other things.They built new molds for rooms I believe. Thus, the varying room sizes.Thus the question.

I did a Prevost bus for the owner of Amway at FT, it took 2 forklifts, what a job.That coach was the prototype for HWH and Prevost. They never planned to ever change a seal.


Chris
Chris you mention the hose upgrades, is there any way to determine the mod status of my coach? If I'm going to be in this deep if there are additional items to be addressed this would be the preferred time to take them on. It would be nice to figure out what I need ahead of time. I do have the capability to build high pressure hydraulic lines on site and have two forklifts. Any other input is greatly appreciated!
Thanks Scott

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #21
Chris you mention the hose upgrades, is there any way to determine the mod status of my coach? If I'm going to be in this deep if there are additional items to be addressed this would be the preferred time to take them on. It would be nice to figure out what I need ahead of time. I do have the capability to build high pressure hydraulic lines on site and have two forklifts. Any other input is greatly appreciated!
Thanks Scott

Yours probably has the new hoses by now. If they don't leak, they have been replaced.
We went through trying to repair them, don't remember what the issue was, either the ends or the hose brand/style, so they gave up, and we did a complete hyd. hose swamp out. HWH warranty.

If your still worried, I would contact FT, or HWH. They would have the info. I slept since then...LOL
Chris

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #22
Yours probably has the new hoses by now. If they don't leak, they have been replaced.
We went through trying to repair them, don't remember what the issue was, either the ends or the hose brand/style, so they gave up, and we did a complete hyd. hose swamp out. HWH warranty.

If your still worried, I would contact FT, or HWH. They would have the info. I slept since then...LOL
Chris
Okay Chris this is great information. Thank you. I don't have any hydraulic leaks, BUT I've only closed twice and opened once since I purchased last year. This is the total cycles on the slide since 2007 when it was opened and abandoned to my knowledge. Ive never operated with the computer like normal folks, however the computer has since been repaired and will attempt at the beginning of the slide removal before I remove slide for Bladder change. It's taped closed.  I'm confident there will be sensor issues to work out before removal and I've also yet to adjust my rollers I made for the carpet removal with vinyl plank flooring. Haven't unlocked pins.  I think there is also slide pin bushings/seals that will also need to be replaced. I will address before or during slide removal so I don't have to do this twice. It is very quiet running down the road, no squeaks. 
Scott
2001 slide tipping roller mod

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #23
Would not hesitate to visit HWH.  In 2018 after the Maritime Motorcade we had 2 or 3 coaches parade into Moscow for bladder replacement.  I would book an appointment early so they had the parts you need.  Probably take until Spring to get an appointment.  We stayed in Moline, IL just across the river at The Element Hotel.  Very nice and reasonable.  It's down the street from the Deere visitor's center or a 5 min. walk.  Try and schedule a tour of the Deere Factory.  Remarkable!  If it's baseball season the KC Royals high A affiliate: The River Bandits are right across the bridge.  They are in Davenport, IA.  I think we were in and out in 2 days.  Great folks at HWH and they'll bring it all back to spec.  It was cheaper than getting it done elsewhere as mentioned, but based on what I'm reading here the prices are up 50% plus since my visit.    Prices are really getting worrisome.
I just made an appointment for Spring 2022 to have our bedroom bladder replaced - estimate with new manifold is $3400.00 and 1 1/2 days down time.    It's November now and they were booking as early as 3 weeks out if I wanted.    FOT is closer by a days travel but I'd rather go to HWH and have all my systems tested.  All they needed was the length and width of my slide and VIN number

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #24
As long as I take the time delay out of the equation they have been outstanding to me so far. BUT they do seem to be aware they are going to take awhile to perform their services. To date with me they have been able to provide exactly what they promised. As long as they meet their deadlines and they have with me, im good. Changing world we live in for sure.
Scott

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Reply #25
Every time I have gone to HWH ot has been 3-4 week lead time for in-shop service.  They are about 5 hrs from us and not far out of the way on our way to  or returning from anywhere south of us.

The air leak check is not free but usually is only about $50, a half hour.  The will find any leaks in their equipment to fix and mark any leaks in anything else for you to fix.  They drive the coach up an elevated ramp and can walk around underneath easily.

Going to HWH is a good choice if it is one you can do.  Prices are less, all the parts are there and the technicians are first class.


Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #27
I think your coach is a little more sophisticated than ours. I believe they have a part number for yours. Better quality control? But yes external width and Height
Scott

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Reply #28
If I recall correctly, I gave them the measurements of the opening as opposed to the room dimensions.
 I would call them to confirm as to what exactly they want.

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #29
If I recall correctly, I gave them the measurements of the opening as opposed to the room dimensions.
 I would call them to confirm as to what exactly they want.
Copied from my current email with them
Good morning Scott
I am going to need a little more information in order to figure out what air seal you need. I am going to need to know how high the room is and the length of the room. Now this is the measurement of the room not the hole the room is in.  Once I have that I can tell you what air seal you will need and how much it will be.

Thank you

Joe Portelli


On 10/28/2021 2:20 PM,

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #30
Well, looks like I didn't recall correctly, my bad. Old timers creeping in.

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #31
I understand that HWH will work on there products but nothing else. I certainly would give them a call or email. Big dog Jerry stated that they were much more robust and should last our life time and that they will stay in contact when deflated. And that they require more vacuum to retract fully. They initially told me I would need to replace my vacuum control with there new and improved. I had previously spoke to Rudy and others that have installed electric vacuum pumps. They wanted like $850 for there HWH pump setup. I told them I had already installed a electric vacuum pump system and wouldn't need theirs. I'll post more on that as I build it. Your side is much easier to replace than mine. You are able to disconnect and push your slide inward to expose bladder. My 2001 requires removal of the slide and during its removal I'll be addressing delamination repairs.
Scott
I had both seals replaced earlier this year, mot did the work, I replaced their vacuum blocks as they told me they would not have a warranty if I didn't. Plus I don't like things "rigged" if I don't have to. Neither make contact when deflated, there is a good 1/4"+ gap when deflated... they both work great.....


Keith

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #32
I had both seals replaced earlier this year, mot did the work, I replaced their vacuum blocks as they told me they would not have a warranty if I didn't. Plus I don't like things "rigged" if I don't have to. Neither make contact when deflated, there is a good 1/4"+ gap when deflated... they both work great.....
Keith
Fortunately my seal is being installed with a lifetime replacement warranty supplied by the installer to the purchaser. No extra charge for it. And this was with the modified improved vacuum system with overpressure safety protection too. Only way to secure lifetime warranted.  Keith what Pressure and inches of Vacuum does your system operate at? Three primary causes of failure are hi pressure failure, insufficient vacuum, and UV damage.
Scott

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #33
Fortunately my seal is being installed with a lifetime replacement warranty supplied by the installer to the purchaser. No extra charge for it. And this was with the modified improved vacuum system with overpressure safety protection too. Only way to secure lifetime warranted.  Keith what Pressure and inches of Vacuum does your system operate at? Three primary causes of failure are hi pressure failure, insufficient vacuum, and UV damage.
Scott
I don't know the pressures, I'll look tomorrow.. both of mine failed in what looked like a seam maybe due to uv damage. There was a line that looked dry rotted.


Keith

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #34
My credit card put a hold an a Suspicious charge for $1900 today. Come to find out HWH finally is shipping my bladder seal that I ordered November 11.

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #35
Wish I was there to give you a hand Scott!  Looking forward to your progress and photos!  Lot's of photos!  Glad that HWH finally came through with your order!  I remember when you called them.  Good luck with this repair, however, I know if it can be done, you da man!

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #36
Well UPS notified me that seal will be delivered Wednesday. If anyone was paying attention when they got there seal replaced on a 2001 slide any input would be appreciated. I do have fork lift and stands and a overhead to attach to for safety straps.
Scott

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #37
Once you get the new seal installed, seal around the outer edge of the seal to the fiberglass.  Otherwise water can go under the seal and into the coach.

Silicone probably not the best product to use, some else may recommend a better product.

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #38
Once you get the new seal installed, seal around the outer edge of the seal to the fiberglass.  Otherwise water can go under the seal and into the coach.

Silicone probably not the best product to use, some else may recommend a better product.

Depending on seal material I think I have several sealers that will work well for that. Still trying to figure out what stays or is removed on slide.

Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #39
Received seal. Took to shop and inflated enough (1 psi?)to remove the shipping folds in it. Figure letting it relax to normal shape is a good thing. Ordered 3m 94 primer for foam tape installation. Will receive Sunday. Way to windy to do anything outside anyway. Got dinette and couch loose and will be able to move out of the way once slide is opened. Sage keep close tabs on my progress. Opened up the top of both actuator  boxes inside  but unable to see any attachment till the slide is opened I'm hoping. Found more mud dauber nests. Also fearfully pulled some of the barrier tape off the out side. Its been on there for about a year now. Been stored out of the sun but still been a year. Was extremely pleased that 99% of the adhesive came off with tape and no discoloration to the jelcoat. At this point it was the best decision I could've made for weatherproofing the slide.
Scott