Living room slide bladder DIY

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Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #75 – February 09, 2022, 10:40:44 pm

Sucks about your thumb Scott. What does HWH say to run for pressure in the new bladder once in use?

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Reply #76 – February 09, 2022, 10:56:29 pm

Quote from: WS6_Keith – February 09, 2022, 10:40:44 pm

Sucks about your thumb Scott. What does HWH say to run for pressure in the new bladder once in use?

12 psi positive 20" negative

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Reply #77 – February 09, 2022, 11:02:24 pm

Quote from: dsd – February 09, 2022, 10:56:29 pm

12 psi positive 20" negative

I sure did not realize your thumb looked like that while talking to me on the phone! Ouch!!!

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Reply #78 – February 09, 2022, 11:14:54 pm

Quote from: Caseman1 – February 09, 2022, 11:02:24 pm

I sure did not realize your thumb looked like that while talking to me on the phone! Ouch!!!

It looked way better then than now.

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Reply #79 – February 10, 2022, 03:57:25 pm

So went around both lock keys and tapped in several high spots that were not seated deep enough yesterday. They are difficult to see but easy to find sliding finger along them. 72 Feet. applied bead of RTV 157 between outer fiberglass skin and outer lock key. I had also applied 157 between skin and aluminum bladder mount prior and once the lock key was installed it left a gap to collect water so I didn't want this and filled. Foretravel does not do this. Also filled all the skin around the top and sides of slide . Will also do bottom once lifted up prior to placing back in coach. Also special attention to the skin around the upper lock pin sockets to Assess their condition clean and reseal so as to prevent water from going in slide. Planning on reinstalling slide Saturday.
Scott

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Re: Living room slide bladder DIY

Reply #80 – February 10, 2022, 05:04:48 pm

Sorry about the thumb Scott! Wow, Sage is getting bigger! Does he miss me?

Miss the little stinker for sure! Say hello to Jim for me and Kim as well. May be heading to Florida on Monday. Sick of this weather here and since Dottie's surgery has been put off until June, why not head for better weather!

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Reply #81 – February 10, 2022, 07:00:52 pm

Scott, I was framing a house a couple of years ago and in a rare moment of distraction, I hit a thumb with my framing hammer. A big, serious framing hammer with cross-hatched teeth. And it was a full swing, two hits to sink a 16p nail sort of thing. The end of my thumb blew out like a squashed grape. I cleaned it up, wrapped it and taped it, and went back to work. There was some ibuprofen involved too. Cutting off the top of my left index finger from the top of the nail bed to the end with an ax hurt worse.

As you say, you have to be tough. Hope it heals up OK.

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Reply #82 – February 10, 2022, 08:30:29 pm

👍👍Joe sage goes and wets on your parking spot every day. Yes she misses you .Roger I wish I would of only got crushed, I jerked it out and that's what did all the damage. Pulled nail and nail base, root off as one. hope the nail grows back, im doubtful it will.
So slide update for today, got all the 157 applied. Drilled out all the overhead trim screw holes out to a #21 and tapped with a 10/32 tap. Will replace all the screws to 10/32 screws and that will resolve that issue. I actually got some of the original extra pillows and they have enough ultra leather to make new snap on screw caps. So I hooked up my improved vacuum manifold and it will suck it down to 22 inches in 13 seconds. The new seal folds the shark fin inward and looks real nice except for the air hose attachement area has a 1/8 high bulge. Will contact HWH tomorrow on what to do. I think my two choices are grind the rubber fin flat on the high point or install a slide plate to keep the seal from destroying itself being too tall. Also removed the pins in both room slide mechanism and greased. I don't think it ever was lubed.
Scott

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Reply #83 – February 11, 2022, 12:27:33 am

Quote from: dsd – February 10, 2022, 08:30:29 pm

... Roger I wish I would of only got crushed, I jerked it out and that's what did all the damage. Pulled nail and nail base, root off as one. hope the nail grows back ... Scott

My ax removed nail and bed got some pretty good care. It did grow back, more brittle than other nails and not the same shape as the one on the right. That finger is also shorter, the fingerprint wraps up around the end and the skin is less pliable. All of that was more than 50 years ago. It has worked ever since but I still am not very good on the guitar.

Be sure you get good care for the injury.

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Reply #84 – February 11, 2022, 09:45:41 pm

Stayed busy all day long. So I called HWH and was told I would be put in the Q for tech help. I asked how long she thought it would take for a return call, couple months? no she said they are doing better and should be within the week. I had sent a inquiry to the salesman I purchased from and included all information and corresponding photo of the bulge. He took the information to their engineering department and he said it was normal and okay for it to rub during operation of the slide and would wear away with use. I had already finished making and installing a stainless steel slide plate. They said that would work great and eliminate any rub issues. Stainless steel sheet is .020 thick. I'm confident that the seal will cold flow after a couple of months of being pressurized. I also added a pressure relief pop off valve set at 14PSI and set regulator to 12 psi. Getting closer. Installing tomorrow hopefully.
Scott

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Reply #85 – February 12, 2022, 10:04:06 pm

So had the slide in the coach at 7:30 this morning. That's were the train wreck started. The bottom had too much bow and the seal had a 1/2 gap. Jim and Kieth came over to help put it in and I had invisioned going to breakfast because it was in. Well that didn't happen. Tried to massage floor down and gained 3/8 of a inch but still way too much for me. After hours of fabricating a 1/2 tapered pin and alignment socket and taking slide in and out a half dozen times finally got a good fix. Floor in perfect alignment and does not flex with bladder inflated. Real happy with it. So the pin and socket will get lubed with a dry spray lubricant so as not to collect dust and provide ease of use. The lower pin and socket are under the slide floor and require moving slide out the secure the lower plate mounting.The original upper stops are also worthless for anything other than keeping the slide from falling out. I have temporary alignment C clamp installed and will build a upper ramp and roller bearing alignment stop later in the week. The centering guide as will get sprayed with a "for nylon" dry lube to extend pad life. Mating surfaces were cleaned and painted. Ten hours but worth it and have come up with viable solutions too some of my issues. Thank you Jim and Keith.
Scott

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Reply #86 – February 13, 2022, 12:24:17 am

Too bad you have to reinvent the mousetrap to make a slide work like it should have to begin with. Not many DIY bladder installers for this to help, maybe give HWH a chance to see some of your improvements.

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Reply #87 – February 13, 2022, 09:36:48 am

I am always impressed with what Scott comes up with to solve issues or problems! 110% top notch!

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Reply #88 – February 13, 2022, 09:41:29 am

Couple old sayings here.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Innovations can provide solutions.

Really old one here: You run what you brung. (from old impromptu horse racing lore)

And if I ever ended up on a deserted island with a bunch of junk I want Scott!! He can figure out "stuff".

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Reply #89 – February 13, 2022, 09:51:08 am

I spoke with them on Friday and they asked for the pictures on how to remove the adhesive. "I'm confident the new slides are perfected". The 2001 slide project for foretravel isn't one of their finer moments. They should of had someone with boat building skills. A one piece fiberglass slide would be stronger and lighter. They were new then and old now and like me didn't age well. Couple of patches here and there and it will be as good as new, okay will work fine. At least its plugging the hole and bladder is inflated.
All I can say I wouldn't want to be paying someone to do the patches and repairs so the new bladder would actually work. It should seal up fine with slide closed because the skin supports the frame well. As soon as I get the upper stop and support made Ill update . It will be a different design with a ball bearing roller and a guide ramp I believe, subject to change. All the available horsepower is low on the slide. The top is cantilever off the bottom. This is my reasoning for upper ramp and ball bearing roller.
Scott

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Reply #90 – February 13, 2022, 01:14:47 pm

Another partially competed project that now must be finished is the floor roller mod
2001 slide tipping roller mod
I made up the rear one when I had the dinette out and will now make up the front one and install in the front of the coach. I do have the adjustable nylon carpet pad block along the bottom but because there is vinyl plank flooring I really didn't want to tear it up with a nylon block and the dirt I get in the coach at a off road race sliding in and out. This will prevent the inside of the slide from tipping in during retraction. Same dust but will roll over rather than slide and scratch
Scott

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Reply #91 – February 13, 2022, 02:21:46 pm

Scott, when you get a round tuit, I'll take 3 of 'em!!! Woody.

Quote from: dsd – February 13, 2022, 01:14:47 pm

Another partially competed project that now must be finished is the floor roller mod
2001 slide tipping roller mod
I made up the rear one when I had the dinette out and will now make up the front one and install in the front of the coach. I do have the adjustable nylon carpet pad block along the bottom but because there is vinyl plank flooring I really didn't want to tear it up with a nylon block and the dirt I get in the coach at a off road race sliding in and out. This will prevent the inside of the slide from tipping in during retraction. Same dust but will roll over rather than slide and scratch
Scott

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Reply #92 – February 13, 2022, 05:38:06 pm

Quote from: Pyolet – February 13, 2022, 02:21:46 pm

Scott, when you get a round tuit, I'll take 3 of 'em!!! Woody.

Three? If you think you want to put one in the middle please dont. Its not the place to do any support. It can't even handle its regular loads

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Reply #93 – February 15, 2022, 10:18:13 am

Well ran into another distraction to making parts. Yesterday the daughter called crying her car is making bad engine noises. 2011 equinox. This was not a premier year for the 2.4L engine. So I've canceled all work on the slide and retracted it last night and will semi assemble the inside of the coach so we can drive up to Reno and recover her car. Thought about taking the Dodge but the coach is so much more comfortable and we will stay eight hours before we return. Talk about getting spoiled. Ten years ago i would of drove up and back in one day. Times are changing.
Scott

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Reply #94 – February 15, 2022, 10:26:17 am

Naw, You are achanging. It is many times more enjoyable going with the coach than running a marathon with your car/truck.
This is called harvesting the fruits of your labor.

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Reply #95 – February 15, 2022, 10:57:40 am

Quote from: nitehawk – February 15, 2022, 10:26:17 am

Naw, You are achanging. It is many times more enjoyable going with the coach than running a marathon with your car/truck.
This is called harvesting the fruits of your labor.

I think your right. Sounds good to me. Thanks for bringing this expensive point up. Possibly just a test drive to verify bladder stays inflated👍👍

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Reply #96 – February 18, 2022, 04:11:48 pm

So after the mad dash to Reno the slide bladder being inflated makes the coach quieter. Still not finished with rollers and having issues with the magnetic stow sensor not talking well with magnets. Had to use stronger magnets to compleat circuit to lock actuators. I had slid the sensors as close as possible but no joy. Still dont have a successful extend retract cycle but getting closer. Ordering new tank drains and a shut off valve for slide air controller. They are all leaking and will need to be resolved now. Will also relocate all drain valves on hoses to make draining accessible from wheel wells. Close one door open three others.
Scott

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Reply #97 – February 18, 2022, 04:59:09 pm

Got an old computer hard drive? There is usually a monstrous rare earth magnet or two inside.
I believe in recycling.

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Reply #98 – February 18, 2022, 05:58:16 pm

Quote from: nitehawk – February 18, 2022, 04:59:09 pm

Got an old computer hard drive? There is usually a monstrous rare earth magnet or two inside.
I believe in recycling.

I always have a bunch stuck to the side of the shop refrigerator. I buy the 3/16W x 1/2L inch for drain plugs. Very little heat kills them also. I used some 1/8L" by 1/2W" button magenets. Be careful with the big ones they BITE!

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Reply #99 – February 19, 2022, 10:19:02 pm

Started and finished front slide roller. Still need to remove couch to install upper vertical mount bolts. May have clearance issues with couch drawer. Made it as narrow as possible and hopeful will not need to relieve drawer front any. Rear was under the J dinette and plenty of room.
Scott

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