Power steering oil tank.. oil looks "milky"!!!!!

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Power steering oil tank.. oil looks "milky"!!!!!

June 12, 2021, 07:05:31 pm

What Broke??? Looks like water in the oil

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Reply #1 – June 12, 2021, 07:09:52 pm

I was working on a coach several years ago and saw milky looking oil in the reservoir. I drained it changed the filters and then ran it with the return line into a bucket until it was clear. I have no idea why it was like that.

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Reply #2 – June 12, 2021, 07:39:57 pm

Have you confirmed the INSIDE content is milky vs oil leaking out of the lid gasket and contacting water on the outside?

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Reply #3 – June 12, 2021, 08:43:33 pm

Quote from: wolfe10 – June 12, 2021, 07:39:57 pm

Have you confirmed the INSIDE content is milky vs oil leaking out of the lid gasket and contacting water on the outside?

Yup, pulled the dip stick and the oil is milky.. May be part if the story on why the steering is kinda herky jerky..
Question is ..is there a water/oil cooler (radiator) on this system? Trying to follow the oil lines is a challenge from the tank to the oil pump to the hyd fan motors and then forward to steering pump.
We had the radiator and air to air rebuilt 2 years ago @ Cummins..

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Reply #4 – June 12, 2021, 08:50:26 pm

Quote from: red tractor – June 12, 2021, 07:09:52 pm

I was working on a coach several years ago and saw milky looking oil in the reservoir. I drained it changed the filters and then ran it with the return line into a bucket until it was clear. I have no idea why it was like that.

Did it ever "repeat"

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Reply #5 – June 12, 2021, 08:53:53 pm

The hyd oil is air cooled. With the system pressurized I don't know how a seal leak could admit water. I don't think the tank is pressurized and if the cap had water getting to by it from heavy rain a possibility but not likely. Let us know what the outcome is on this one it's new to me.

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Reply #6 – June 12, 2021, 09:01:08 pm

Air from cavitation when you come to the limits either left or right and the pump cavitates. Here is the skinny: Cavitation or Aeration? How to Tell the Difference This is a common condition and happens all the time. Just pour a little milky oil in a glass and it will be clear in a few minutes. That's what the nasty noise in the PS pump is. In a water pump, it can chunk off pieces of the pump.

Pierce

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Reply #7 – June 12, 2021, 09:08:12 pm

Condensation?

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Reply #8 – June 12, 2021, 09:34:04 pm

Quote from: craneman – June 12, 2021, 08:53:53 pm

The hyd oil is air cooled. With the system pressurized I don't know how a seal leak could admit water. I don't think the tank is pressurized and if the cap had water getting to by it from heavy rain a possibility but not likely. Let us know what the outcome is on this one it's new to me.

That is what I thought, but the dip stick for the tank is not pressurized..
I followed the oil lines to the cooler behind the radiator. .
I mean..... it is a closed circuit system.. got me flummoxed .
The only other thing I can think of is that the Power steering/radiator fan motor(s) oil pump is injecting (cavitating)air into the oil.. OR.......Hmmmm.... The filter is kaput?? Just checked my receipts from Cummins and Foretravel and DO NOT see that the filter has ever been changed....

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Reply #9 – June 12, 2021, 09:47:47 pm

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – June 12, 2021, 09:01:08 pm

Air from cavitation when you come to the limits either left or right and the pump cavitates. Here is the skinny: Cavitation or Aeration? How to Tell the Difference This is a common condition and happens all the time. Just pour a little milky oil in a glass and it will be clear in a few minutes. That's what the nasty noise in the PS pump is. In a water pump, it can chunk off pieces of the pump.

Pierce

Very True on systems that use ATF fluid..Ours uses 15/40 engine oil.. but even then I have seen cavitation issues in other systems.

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Reply #10 – June 12, 2021, 10:53:33 pm

Air entering the system and causing the microscopic bubbles is Aeration. Cavitation is when a positive displacement pump can't get enough oil/fluid/etc on the suction side and the pressure drops creating a vacuum, essentially boiling the fluid and creating tiny bubbles. The warmer the fluid, the more bubbles will be created. The noise you hear is the bubbles being created. It can damage a pump if it goes on too long or very frequently. The more bubbles created, the less efficient the pump is until it may fail to pump at all.

This frequently happens to fire trucks when the discharge is greater than the supply hose(s) can provide. Propellers on boats can also suffer the same effect.

Difficult to get your head around bubbles being created this way. Here are several video examples of the cause. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cavitation

Pierce

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Reply #11 – June 13, 2021, 01:53:10 am

Put a sample of the oil in a clear glass and let it sit overnight then see what it looks like.

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Reply #12 – June 13, 2021, 11:53:40 am

Quote from: Pierce & Gaylie Stewart – June 12, 2021, 10:53:33 pm

Air entering the system and causing the microscopic bubbles is Aeration. Cavitation is when a positive displacement pump can't get enough oil/fluid/etc on the suction side and the pressure drops creating a vacuum, essentially boiling the fluid and creating tiny bubbles. The warmer the fluid, the more bubbles will be created. The noise you hear is the bubbles being created. It can damage a pump if it goes on too long or very frequently. The more bubbles created, the less efficient the pump is until it may fail to pump at all.

This frequently happens to fire trucks when the discharge is greater than the supply hose(s) can provide. Propellers on boats can also suffer the same effect.

Difficult to get your head around bubbles being created this way. Here are several video examples of the cause. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cavitation

Pierce

Yup, have fought both conditions in the past.... Am thinking that the oil filter is plugged up and causing the pump cavitation)
Will see if I can get it into a shop after Infinity gets their stuff completed.... Going to try Red Tractor's solution first..( pull the filter then pull return line and put into a bucket, keep filling tank while running the engine until the fluid runs clear,replace the filter with new & top off)....Also will temporarily disconnect the controller for the radiator fans (put into high speed default mode)to insure that any contaminates in those lines are also flushed out....

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Reply #13 – June 13, 2021, 05:50:34 pm

In answer to your question the problem did not repeat. After letting the oil set over night it was still milky plus it had set for several days before I noticed it. We had some really heavy rains ahead of this but the tank was not over full. Still a mystery to me.

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Reply #14 – June 13, 2021, 06:21:34 pm

Quote from: red tractor – June 13, 2021, 05:50:34 pm

In answer to your question the problem did not repeat. After letting the oil set over night it was still milky plus it had set for several days before I noticed it. We had some really heavy rains ahead of this but the tank was not over full. Still a mystery to me.

Yup same here.. fluid level right where it should be.. thinking a plugged filter, causing the pump to cavitate.
Hope i can find someone that can get to it soonest..

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Reply #15 – June 13, 2021, 06:34:04 pm

If you have the following, this is a VERY easy DYI job:

5' or cheap, clear PVC hose to siphon out the old oil.
The 3 filters.
Top gasket
New oil.

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Reply #16 – June 13, 2021, 08:46:40 pm

Quote from: wolfe10 – June 13, 2021, 06:34:04 pm

If you have the following, this is a VERY easy DYI job:

5' or cheap, clear PVC hose to siphon out the old oil.
The 3 filters.
Top gasket
New oil.

Yup.. Could do .. however We are full timers so no place to do it at, so going to plan "B"... Should be pretty straight forward.

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Reply #17 – June 14, 2021, 09:00:45 am

Saddle,where are you?,maybe one of us nearby to help,it's time consuming but save some of the milky stuff and get an oil
analysis.

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Reply #18 – June 14, 2021, 11:39:51 am

Maybe someone pressure washed the back engine bay, and water got into tank?

Chris

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Reply #19 – June 14, 2021, 11:49:11 am

Quote from: gracerace – June 14, 2021, 11:39:51 am

Maybe someone pressure washed the back engine bay, and water got into tank?

Chris

Yes, particularly if the lid gasket is compromised. Good catch.

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