Tires, beads, etc. {split from Re: Coach/suspension Damage From Torquing While Off-Roading]

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Tires, beads, etc. {split from Re: Coach/suspension Damage From Torquing While Off-Roading]

July 01, 2021, 10:35:15 am

Just had the same issue with tires rubbing after going to 295's. Had a blow out at 65mph on rt ft and only tires available where I was stranded at were Firestone. Old tires were 275x80 Uniroyals and didn't rub. Had to leave coach come home and return with 275x80 Michelin, they didn't rub. Was told tires should of been same size but variances in manufacturer can be an inch sometimes.
Larry

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Reply #1 – July 01, 2021, 10:54:36 am

Quote from: Townrestor – July 01, 2021, 10:35:15 am

Just had the same issue with tires rubbing after going to 295's. Had a blow out at 65mph on rt ft and only tires available where I was stranded at were Firestone. Old tires were 275x80 Uniroyals and didn't rub. Had to leave coach come home and return with 275x80 Michelin, they didn't rub. Was told tires should of been same size but variances in manufacturer can be an inch sometimes.
Larry

Another reason I don't turn a wheel without a mounted spare in the compartment. Same brand is nice but any spare puts you back on the road with only a 15 minute delay and also gives time to find a tire that matches the one that blew. I store our sewer hoses, water hoses, tow straps, etc inside the spare so don't lose much space.

And for flatlanders, try using your cell in many places in the mountainous West.

Pierce

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Reply #2 – July 01, 2021, 05:23:10 pm

Quote from: Townrestor – July 01, 2021, 10:35:15 am

Just had the same issue with tires rubbing after going to 295's. Had a blow out at 65mph on rt ft and only tires available where I was stranded at were Firestone. Old tires were 275x80 Uniroyals and didn't rub. Had to leave coach come home and return with 275x80 Michelin, they didn't rub. Was told tires should of been same size but variances in manufacturer can be an inch sometimes.
Larry

First I'm sorry about your tire failure. #1 cause of tire failure is LOW pressure. Your tire did not fail do to it size. Under rating possibly. When driving at freeway speed they cannot touch. Only while turning and the tire follows the rubbing part because it is rigid mounted to the axle. Under load rated tire will overheat and fail if operated beyond its limits
Low pressure will overheat and fail at speed
You can drive low pressure in tires but you must slow down to allow for additional cooling per revolution. Low pressure flexes more and that is what produces the heat. Above 140 degrees tire temperature and you are in the danger zone. I really like the idea of carrying a spare wheel assembly but do not. I really like my TPMS and use daily before starting trip and after. I do like being able to view pressures and temperature when wanted, but attempt to minimize while driving as a distraction. It has a alarm and will notify my when needed while driving.
Ive been around way too many tire failures in my career, some were damaged and failed and all the rest were low and overheated to failure and look similar to yours.
Scott

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Reply #3 – July 01, 2021, 08:57:34 pm

Quote from: Townrestor – July 01, 2021, 10:35:15 am

Just had the same issue with tires rubbing after going to 295's. Had a blow out at 65mph on rt ft and only tires available where I was stranded at were Firestone. Old tires were 275x80 Uniroyals and didn't rub. Had to leave coach come home and return with 275x80 Michelin, they didn't rub. Was told tires should of been same size but variances in manufacturer can be an inch sometimes.
Larry

What was the DOT date on this failed tire?
Chris

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Reply #4 – July 02, 2021, 08:21:21 am

2618 so wasn't worried about age yet. Not sure why it blew checked all pressures before we left the beach in Texas. Roads were extremely rough going down from Kansas maybe a sink hole in the road damaged a belt. Replacing all tires except steer with Firestone 291 series, looks like a much tougher tire and definitely weighs more. First ft blow out for me hope it's the last. Did 16,000 damage to coach. Thankfully I can fix it all myself as I'm an old body and paint man.

Larry

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Reply #5 – July 02, 2021, 10:02:27 am

What brand tire?

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Reply #6 – July 02, 2021, 08:34:19 pm

Tire could have been inflated properly but a road gator or zipper failure may have been the cause. I had one years ago where I saw nothing coming but a funny noise for a tiny fraction of a second and then a big bang. Driver's front so it tried to pull hard left but after a second or so, I just pulled off the road and changed it.

Pierce

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Reply #7 – July 03, 2021, 10:12:47 am

Definitely traveling with a spare from now on.

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Reply #8 – July 03, 2021, 10:16:06 am

Here is another cause of low tire pressure that I experienced. I had leveling beads in the front tires of my class A truck. When I stopped for fuel I checked the tire pressure. Apparently a bead of two prevented the valve stem from completely seating, I could not hear the hisss. Front right tire blew while I was cruising down the road at 70mph at a GVW of 70,000.

For those who wonder how I stopped: when I heard the tire blow I thought that someone else had a blowout. I checked the left mirror and didn't see anyone else. I did see rubber bouncing down the road behind me. Wasn't until then that I knew I had a blowout. Wasn't until the truck slowed to 40mph that I had to struggle to hold the wobbly steering wheel. I just let the truck slow to a stop.. No brakes no panic from me and no issue bringing the truck to a stop on the shoulder.

DWMYH but I will never use leveling beads inside tires of any vehicle I own.

Roland

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Reply #9 – July 03, 2021, 10:32:51 am

Quote from: Townrestor – July 03, 2021, 10:12:47 am

Definitely traveling with a spare from now on.

Three so far on my Buffalo Bus and U300. I had a spare each time. Road debris all three.

Spare allows you or the road service to install it instead of them trying to find a tire the right size and when they do, what brand will it be? And it won't be cheap.

Any brand of spare allows you to shop at leisure for the matching brand on the other side and at a competitive price.

Back in 2008 when we purchased our U300, the owner took it to town to wash it before we arrived. They put the rear tires off the road and blew an inside tire. They limped back and road service brought a tire but it cost almost $700. Expensive trip to wash the coach.

How about the Foretravel that had a flat in Mexico, didn't speak Spanish and drove across the country on three rear tires to get to Texas.

Pierce

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Reply #10 – July 03, 2021, 10:59:03 am

The plastic BBs are large enough to not pass through the valve stem. They seem to work well.
I never check pressures away from an air/service source for exactly that reason. I also changed the outer stems to short and turned them out.
Still cant find the answer to what kind of tire had the blow out .

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Reply #11 – July 03, 2021, 11:15:14 am

See my ad in classifieds
Chris

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Reply #12 – July 03, 2021, 02:17:57 pm

Quote from: Roland Begin – July 03, 2021, 10:16:06 am

Here is another cause of low tire pressure that I experienced. I had leveling beads in the front tires of my class A truck. When I stopped for fuel I checked the tire pressure. Apparently a bead of two prevented the valve stem from completely seating, I could not hear the hisss. Front right tire blew while I was cruising down the road at 70mph at a GVW of 70,000.

For those who wonder how I stopped: when I heard the tire blow I thought that someone else had a blowout. I checked the left mirror and didn't see anyone else. I did see rubber bouncing down the road behind me. Wasn't until then that I knew I had a blowout. Wasn't until the truck slowed to 40mph that I had to struggle to hold the wobbly steering wheel. I just let the truck slow to a stop.. No brakes no panic from me and no issue bringing the truck to a stop on the shoulder.

DWMYH but I will never use leveling beads inside tires of any vehicle I own.

Roland

I have duplicated what you are saying exactly. The beads in my MH are now 1/10" and cannot pass into stem. They also make special core to be used in your valves. And last but not least. Proper metal valve caps provide a DOT compliant secondary seal. Two seals are better than one. This is my primary complaint about cap mounted TPMS sensors. By installing you defeat your primary sealing devise and are reliant apron the secondary seal for pressure retention.
Scott
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Reply #13 – July 03, 2021, 03:00:41 pm

Looks like they've made improvements. Will still sick to a dynamic balance. Although in today's world most wheels incorporate pressure sensors in passenger cars; wonder if that's the case with new coaches and class A trucks.

Roland

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Reply #14 – July 03, 2021, 06:50:32 pm

Quote from: Roland Begin – July 03, 2021, 03:00:41 pm

Looks like they've made improvements. Will still sick to a dynamic balance. Although in today's world most wheels incorporate pressure sensors in passenger cars; wonder if that's the case with new coaches and class A trucks.

Roland

So I was a hater non believing, thought they were peddling snake oil, in regards to tire beads. I genuinely have no clue how they work, goes against what I understand, BUT I was talked into trying and am amazed that they work, and better than I still understand. Speaking purely function over form I'm sold. Possibly something else I like about them is that I can do myself and get the same results. I hate stuff I don't understand, but operation installed proved it to me. So I might like the external balance rings with the beads in them, thought they were stupid also. Older I get the more accepting to what I don't understand. The internal sensors are definitely in my future. Man are they proud of them and no battery replacement. Next set of tires possibly
Scott

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Reply #15 – July 03, 2021, 07:41:34 pm

My coach came with Centramatics and I didn't know what they were for when I changed tires. Had my tires machine balanced then read about what the spacers were on my wheels on the forum. Won't bother balancing the next set.

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Reply #16 – July 03, 2021, 08:21:27 pm

Quote from: dsd – July 03, 2021, 02:17:57 pm

This is my primary complaint about cap mounted TPMS sensors. By installing you defeat your primary sealing devise and are reliant apron the secondary seal for pressure retention.
Scott

True, but you are monitoring the pressure. Not to mention, if it were to start leaking at the cap, it would show a lower pressure than what is really in the tire.

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Reply #17 – July 03, 2021, 10:38:14 pm

Quote from: WS6_Keith – July 03, 2021, 08:21:27 pm

True, but you are monitoring the pressure. Not to mention, if it were to start leaking at the cap, it would show a lower pressure than what is really in the tire.

My Pressure Pro also monitors temperature.

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Reply #18 – July 04, 2021, 11:42:41 am

This was the first of my 3 blowouts on front tires. Atlas brand tube type. No loss of control minimal damage.

Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems

This was my second blowout total damage to crane and some pretty painful physical damage. The tire was a Michelin and had been inspected the morning of the accident and verified by the CHP at a commercial tire center. Road hazard was Michelin's answer to the damage to the tire.

dangerous tire situation (please read this)

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Reply #19 – July 04, 2021, 01:18:55 pm

Since installing new low rolling resistance Toyo tires and tire balancing beads it appears that my fuel mileage has increased 1.5 miles per gallon, to my surprise! Calculated over the the last 3 fill ups or 300 gal.

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Reply #20 – July 04, 2021, 04:52:52 pm

Quote from: craneman – July 04, 2021, 11:42:41 am

This was the first of my 3 blowouts on front tires. Atlas brand tube type. No loss of control minimal damage.

Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems

This was my second blowout total damage to crane and some pretty painful physical damage. The tire was a Michelin and had been inspected the morning of the accident and verified by the CHP at a commercial tire center. Road hazard was Michelin's answer to the damage to the tire.

dangerous tire situation (please read this)

I still hate too look at that photo. Glad you survived the incident. They always are looking to delegate liability somewhere else.
Scott

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Reply #21 – July 04, 2021, 07:33:02 pm

I use this Tire Sealant and Balancer | Flat tire prevention | Ride-On Tire Protection
It works like balance beads and is also a sealer. Haven't had any issues.

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Reply #22 – July 04, 2021, 07:38:26 pm

FYI, a 5 gallon bucket of the Ride On sealant will do 3 coaches, find a couple of friends !

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Reply #23 – July 04, 2021, 09:05:24 pm

We are partial to the Centermatics.

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Reply #24 – July 05, 2021, 03:17:07 am

I was running balance powder in the three class 8 trucks I owned before they were changed to beads. Never ever had any issue in the slightest in 1,300,000 miles. Valve cores never leaked, Never had a blow out, Never an issue with the brass extensions. Not sure why so many RV'rs have so many issues with that stuff.

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